Minnesota at UND

[grindiangrad-80]

I have to believe that the commitment the Gophers make to its home grown players is a big factor in what makes Minnesota youth hockey so special.
I'm not trying to dis any other program in the country.
I don't think you can deny that many young players in Minnesota grow up hoping to play for the Gophs someday.

[biscuit in the basket]

Thanks for the reply Dmandad.

First, there is not a "minimal" difference between 5 and 7 championships. How long has the U been playing hockey for them to win even 5 championships? The answer is 61 years. At this rate, they will play 24 more years before they win 2 more championships. I am not "belittling" winning 5 championships, that is a good accomplishment.

As far as belittling the U fans, not trying to do that. It's ironic though how you can take shots about 26 year old freshman and Canadians, and that to you apparently is not belittling to the NoDak fans. Do you see a suggestion anywhere in the posts in this thread that suggests that U fans would rather have a majority of the kids being from their home state, then win championships with "imported players??" Is that intended to belittle the UND fans and their program? Do you really believe that there are more then a few people out there who would care where the kids are from if they are winning? Yes, I understand that it may "add" to the accomplishment of winning--but winning is more important then the hometown of the kids. That's college sports. And spare me Biscuit about caring for the kids--what do you ever do for them other then occassionally watch the Gophers on TV? If you mean support the kids instead of care for the kids, ok. In that event, why don't you look at the attenedance between the 2 teams this year--and by the way, the UND fans actually use the ticket they buy instead of leave it empty like I see it happen at the U too often.

As far as Minnesota hockey pride, I have lived in Northern Minnesota while my kids played hockey. I am well aware of Minnesota pride. Minnesota is the greatest state for hockey for high school kids and under, no doubt about it.

As far as the upper levels of hockey, that's where it ends. There are many other programs that are as good if not better then the U. Say what you want, but winning championships is the measuring stick of a successful program. The U has been represented nicely, and I never said you should not be proud of it. But what you seem to have a hard time "wrapping your head around" is the fact that there are other more succssful programs out there. As an example, Michigan, UND, Denver, and Wisconsin have all won more championships then the U. Further the states of Michigan, North Dakota, Colorado, Massachusetts, and Wisconsin have all won more championship (collectively in each state) then Minnesota. Instead of giving kudos to the other teams and programs, the "envy" appears and the only thing that U fans say is that "at least we do it with a majority of our own kids." My only point to that is that if that is how you justify it (that the U hasn't been as successful as other programs) to yourself, great.

By adhereing to such a standard, Minnesota passes on alot of kids who are just flat out better then the kids they get at the U. The U gets its fair share of talent, no doubt. But they could do much better if they mixed in more kids that you consider to be "imports" onto their team. They would have several more championships by now if they would simply adopt a broader philosphy regarding recruiting out state kids. And you would be celebrating just as hard if the U won it with 2 Minnesota kids as you would with 10. Biscuit, I marvel at the pollyanna view you have with your Gopher team.

I wish the Gophers good luck this year, and they have as good of chance as anyone to win so long as Kangas gets back on track.

Watch them on tv occasionally? How bout my family has had seasons tickets for as long as I can remember. How can you tell me that I do not care about the players? You know nothing about me or what I do. I want every kid that has ever been fortunate enough to wear the Maroon and Gold to be as successful as they possible can on and off the ice.
You can keep all your titles with out-state players becasue it means more to me to watch kids from MN, kids that I have grown up with, to wear the M on their chests than titles ever will.

UNDlars- You make a point with the fact that UND has taken some recruits from MN but i can gaurantee you that 97% of young kids that have every laced up a pair of skates on a frozen lake or rink in the state of MN want to grow up to be a University of Minnesota Golden Gopher!

[gorilla1]

Thanks for clearing up that I don't know you Biscuit and for clearing up that I don't know you well enough to state that you don't care for the U players. I guess I must have mistaken the fact that you must somehow know me (without me knowing you) well enough to allow you to claim FIRST in your earlier post that that I "care more about the championships then the kids themselves." Do you live by the motto, "That's the pot calling the kettle black?"

Thanks for also clearing up that in order to "care" for players, you must buy season tickets for "I don't know how long." I now understand that if I buy season tickets it means I "care" for the players instead of showing them that I "support" their program by buying the tickets. I'm glad you have the market cornered for wishing kids well both on and off the ice. I don't know of anyone else who would ever care enough to support their team like this. this is left to you, and you alone.

Finally, thanks for clearing up that you would rather cheer for homegrown kids (I can't imagine what you must call those kids on the team who aren't from Minnesota) then win championships. Because in this case, you are cheering for the right team then.

Why don't you take and deep breath and just relax--then you can get back into your Goldy Gopher outfit and cheer on your team!!

[Indians forever]

Really bottom line is any youth kid Dreams of playing for the U when they get older. Hell, even my daughter drempt of that and look at her know. She is still living at home taking on line courses. Well, the point is all kids want to play for the U and that was including me back in my day. it is what it is.

[gorilla1]

Bottom line is that many, many, many kids living in Minnesota dream of playing for UND. Many many kids dream of playing for the U. Many, many kids dream of playing in the WCHA. As an earlier post pointed out, Minnesota loses alot of kids (good players) to other programs. Its okay for Minnesotans to admit that it is not every kids dream to play for the U. My kids friends talk about playing hockey for UND, the U, Notre Dame, Michigan, and Wisconsin to name a few. One even talked about playinf for Maine! Sorry, but facts are facts

[Judgeandjury]

I get a kick out of non-Minnesota hockey fans. Especially UND fans. Overall the UND fans are good fans but lets keep everything in perspective. UND imports players from Canada and recruits heavily from Minnesota.
How many North Dakota kids does UND average on their team each year? About 2.5 kids per year. Not impressive! The facts are North Dakota has to go elsewhere in order to win is a sad statement. With that said I know many schools in many sports have to recruit from other states but rarely from other countries.
You see in Minnesota we take pride in the fact that we can win with majority of kids from Minnesota. I'm sure we could recruit from all over the world but why? We can win each and every yeat with Minnesota kids. Lets not forget when we won the past two national championships we even had a couple North Dakota players on our roster. I wonder why they chose to play for the State of Hockey?

I heard that basket weaving is becoming a division I sport and UND is starting to recruit in Asia for the best

Below is UND's new fight song:

O UND (Canada)!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide, O UND (Canada),
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
UND (O Canada), we stand on guard for thee.
UND (O Canada), we stand on guard for thee.

[biscuit in the basket]

I get a kick out of non-Minnesota hockey fans. Especially UND fans. Overall the UND fans are good fans but lets keep everything in perspective. UND imports players from Canada and recruits heavily from Minnesota.
How many North Dakota kids does UND average on their team each year? About 2.5 kids per year. Not impressive! The facts are North Dakota has to go elsewhere in order to win is a sad statement. With that said I know many schools in many sports have to recruit from other states but rarely from other countries.
You see in Minnesota we take pride in the fact that we can win with majority of kids from Minnesota. I'm sure we could recruit from all over the world but why? We can win each and every yeat with Minnesota kids. Lets not forget when we won the past two national championships we even had a couple North Dakota players on our roster. I wonder why they chose to play for the State of Hockey?

I heard that basket weaving is becoming a division I sport and UND is starting to recruit in Asia for the best

Below is UND's new fight song:

O UND (Canada)!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide, O UND (Canada),
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
UND (O Canada), we stand on guard for thee.
UND (O Canada), we stand on guard for thee.

I love it cause its true.

[biscuit in the basket]

Really bottom line is any youth kid Dreams of playing for the U when they get older. Hell, even my daughter drempt of that and look at her know. She is still living at home taking on line courses. Well, the point is all kids want to play for the U and that was including me back in my day. it is what it is.

Amen to that!

[biscuit in the basket]

Thanks for clearing up that I don't know you Biscuit and for clearing up that I don't know you well enough to state that you don't care for the U players. I guess I must have mistaken the fact that you must somehow know me (without me knowing you) well enough to allow you to claim FIRST in your earlier post that that I "care more about the championships then the kids themselves." Do you live by the motto, "That's the pot calling the kettle black?"

Thanks for also clearing up that in order to "care" for players, you must buy season tickets for "I don't know how long." I now understand that if I buy season tickets it means I "care" for the players instead of showing them that I "support" their program by buying the tickets. I'm glad you have the market cornered for wishing kids well both on and off the ice. I don't know of anyone else who would ever care enough to support their team like this. this is left to you, and you alone.

Finally, thanks for clearing up that you would rather cheer for homegrown kids (I can't imagine what you must call those kids on the team who aren't from Minnesota) then win championships. Because in this case, you are cheering for the right team then.

Why don't you take and deep breath and just relax--then you can get back into your Goldy Gopher outfit and cheer on your team!!

You are correct I do not know you but im sure your a very nice person but by reading all your posts talking about the titles and not the kids I had to infer that your just in it for the titles. My bad.
And in the statement you made that I have bolded for you. Im pretty sure that I said in an early post that, and I quote,"I want every kid that has ever been fortunate enough to wear the Maroon and Gold to be as successful as they possible can on and off the ice." So I dont know if you just misread me or what but I care about EVERY player that wears the jersey.
And lastly about your 'tickets comment' I dont know when I every said you need to buy tickets to "care" or "support" so if you could find that for me it would be greatly appreciated and I will promptly erase it because it is not true at all.

[MNHockey75]

UND:
4 MN
3 ND
6 Man.
3 Alb.
2 Sask.
1 N.B.
1 B.C.
1 GA, CA, IL, WI, AL
(12 US and 13 CAN) 2 of the Canadian players played in shattuck and USHL respectively.

Minnesota has all but 2 kids from Minnesota.

The fact of the matter is that Minnesota has the luxery of being able to not leave the state to recruit and be very successful (what a sweet job the recruiters must have). I would almost guarentee that UND would do that same thing if North Dakota high school hockey was as good as Minnesota, but it's not (not even close). UND is forced to go all over to find talent to stay competitive. I think it's great to see a roster full of Minnesota players, and I also think it's great to see a roster full of guys from all over North America. You try and recruit the best available players. Unfortunately for UND (men's and women's hockey) they lose some of their best North Dakota kids to Minnesota. I know Irmen and Potulny hurt a lot, and I know the Lamoureux girls hurt the women's team too.

You guys can argue and bicker about who recruits who. This whole argument never goes anywhere. Yes, MN High School Hockey is the best, we all know that, and I'm damn proud of that, being that I played in the MSHSL. But instead of Minnesota fans bringing up the recuiting issue, you should be getting pumped for the next meeting at the WCHA final five. Minnesota should be very proud of the fact that they're the only team in the nation that can put together a line-up with all Minnesota kids. That's the bottom line.

[gorilla1]

The fact is that North Dakota loses kids to the U and Minnesota loses kids to UND. UND also gets North Dakota kids and the U gets Minnesota kids. This has never been about the recruiting for me--it is the mantra of the Gopher fans who have no come back agains the Sioux having a more successful program. This is not a rip on the Gopher program. It's nice that the U has many Minnesota kids and that UND gets players from all over. The over the top Gopher fans like Judge though take a shot at recruiting kids from other countries, when they have had multiple canadians on the U teams, and the U has recruited as many kids from overseas as UND in the 2000's--one each. If people are being honest with themselves, they would admit that it is more important to most people to win a championship then where the kids are from. If there were 10 Minnesota kids on this years team and you could win a championship, or if they were all Minnesota kids and you wouldn't win, which would you pick?

Going back to my point, it would be nice if Minnesota broadened its horizons when it recruited. They would be more successful to mix other kids in with the Minnesota kids they recruit now. Judge can say what he wants, but Canadians have better players then Minnesota players. That's a fact that cannot be argued. UND is drawing from several talent pools--Minnesota limits itself, for the most part to one. This will continue to be a big detriment to the U. And that's fine U fans, as long as you are content with the "one and done" approach.

[Judgeandjury]

The fact is that North Dakota loses kids to the U and Minnesota loses kids to UND. UND also gets North Dakota kids and the U gets Minnesota kids. This has never been about the recruiting for me--it is the mantra of the Gopher fans who have no come back agains the Sioux having a more successful program. This is not a rip on the Gopher program. It's nice that the U has many Minnesota kids and that UND gets players from all over. The over the top Gopher fans like Judge though take a shot at recruiting kids from other countries, when they have had multiple canadians on the U teams, and the U has recruited as many kids from overseas as UND in the 2000's--one each. If people are being honest with themselves, they would admit that it is more important to most people to win a championship then where the kids are from. If there were 10 Minnesota kids on this years team and you could win a championship, or if they were all Minnesota kids and you wouldn't win, which would you pick?

Going back to my point, it would be nice if Minnesota broadened its horizons when it recruited. They would be more successful to mix other kids in with the Minnesota kids they recruit now. Judge can say what he wants, but Canadians have better players then Minnesota players. That's a fact that cannot be argued. UND is drawing from several talent pools--Minnesota limits itself, for the most part to one. This will continue to be a big detriment to the U. And that's fine U fans, as long as you are content with the "one and done" approach.

Gorilla- I hate to burst your bubble but you do realize that Minnesota leads the head to head record over UND? This is the best way to measure the success of a program. Everyone knows that Minnesota is your main rival and only rival. Look at Minnesota. Our rivals are SCSU, Minnesota State, Wisconsin, UMD and UND. Everyone is aiming at Minnesota in the WCHA.
UND has a nice program but they don't even come close to the history and pride Minnesota has on the ice. I'm still trying to get over the fact that North Dakota has hockey. I think it's great that UND has hockey but the fact that they have to Import players to compete to win is pathetic. Like it or not many of the top teams import players. What makes Minnesota truely the "State of Hockey" is the fact that we take pride in developing our own players. Year in and year out Minnesota is one of the top teams in the country with home state kids. Yeah I think we can take pride in our team. You say this isn't about Minnesota versus UND but do you really take pride in importing players just to win? Please tell me what would happen is UND used 97% UND kids on their roster? I think it's safe to say they'd be on the bottom each and every year. Now you know why it's hard to listen to UND fans take pride using 26 year old freshman to win games. Once UND has 90% plus North Dakota kids on the team lets talk and compare teams.

[UNDlars]

Like I said in a previous post, every school recruits from Canada so to peg UND as the only school that does such is ridiculous. Denver has 9 Canadian kids on their roster! MNHockey called out that we have 13 Canadian kids, but 6 of them are from the Winnipeg area which is only about 2 and a half hours from UND. So why wouldn't we tap into Winnipeg as a pipeline for kids who want to play NCAA hockey instead of Canadian Juniors?

[gorilla1]

Last time I looked UND led 7-5, we enven lead in WCHA titles, and having more WCHA all conference players!! Don't forget to be there when you hang your Dodge Classic poster on the ceiling--what an accomplishment!! Keep counting the regular season series--because that's all you got. And finally, I do believe that for a select few Gopher fans it is more important for you to have Minnesota kids then to win. And by the way, when you use 90% as your standard, there are many, many, many, many years you must not be able to cheer for the Gophers because they don't hit that level. Who do you cheer for then?

The one thing you have over UND is that you get more in state kids playing for your program. Good for you. Could you please point me to where I can find that stat in the record books!!

[biscuit in the basket]

Like I said in a previous post, every school recruits from Canada so to peg UND as the only school that does such is ridiculous. Denver has 9 Canadian kids on their roster! MNHockey called out that we have 13 Canadian kids, but 6 of them are from the Winnipeg area which is only about 2 and a half hours from UND. So why wouldn't we tap into Winnipeg as a pipeline for kids who want to play NCAA hockey instead of Canadian Juniors?

Ok should we not count them as Canadian players because they are only 2 and a half hours away?

[UNDlars]

Like I said in a previous post, every school recruits from Canada so to peg UND as the only school that does such is ridiculous. Denver has 9 Canadian kids on their roster! MNHockey called out that we have 13 Canadian kids, but 6 of them are from the Winnipeg area which is only about 2 and a half hours from UND. So why wouldn't we tap into Winnipeg as a pipeline for kids who want to play NCAA hockey instead of Canadian Juniors?

Ok should we not count them as Canadian players because they are only 2 and a half hours away?

No, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. Yes, they are Canadian players but why wouldn't UND recruit from somewhere that is relatively close to them regardless of it crosses the border. To have a pool of players that large only two and a half hours away is a huge asset. The next concentrated area of talent is the Twin Cities which is over 5 hours from UND.

[MNHockey75]

I'm still trying to get over the fact that North Dakota has hockey. I think it's great that UND has hockey but the fact that they have to Import players to compete to win is pathetic. Like it or not many of the top teams import players. What makes Minnesota truely the "State of Hockey" is the fact that we take pride in developing our own players.

The State of Hockey includes every level, not just the U. Every single team in the nation "imports" players, it's called recruiting. The best players to come through the U in the last 15+ years are from Austria and Wisconsin respectively. Nobody is doubting that North Dakota high school hockey is quite brutal in general. Minnesota is a one of a kind school, UND is just like every other program.
Let's just look at BC's championship winning team...10 MASS, 6 NY, 3 CAN, 2 MN, 2 CT, 1 from MI, IL and NJ. Let's all freak out because less than 40 % of their roster is from Massachusetts. This isn't news.

Everyone knows that Minnesota is your main rival and only rival. Look at Minnesota. Our rivals are SCSU, Minnesota State, Wisconsin, UMD and UND.

Have you ever been to a Wisconsin/UND game? How about a SCSU/UND game? They're big rivals. Are you saying that Minnesota State is a rival of the U? A whole ten years in the WCHA, that's quite a rivalry.

[Judgeandjury]

I'm still trying to get over the fact that North Dakota has hockey. I think it's great that UND has hockey but the fact that they have to Import players to compete to win is pathetic. Like it or not many of the top teams import players. What makes Minnesota truely the "State of Hockey" is the fact that we take pride in developing our own players.

The State of Hockey includes every level, not just the U. Every single team in the nation "imports" players, it's called recruiting. The best players to come through the U in the last 15+ years are from Austria and Wisconsin respectively. Nobody is doubting that North Dakota high school hockey is quite brutal in general. Minnesota is a one of a kind school, UND is just like every other program.
Let's just look at BC's championship winning team...10 MASS, 6 NY, 3 CAN, 2 MN, 2 CT, 1 from MI, IL and NJ. Let's all freak out because less than 40 % of their roster is from Massachusetts. This isn't news.

Everyone knows that Minnesota is your main rival and only rival. Look at Minnesota. Our rivals are SCSU, Minnesota State, Wisconsin, UMD and UND.

Have you ever been to a Wisconsin/UND game? How about a SCSU/UND game? They're big rivals. Are you saying that Minnesota State is a rival of the U? A whole ten years in the WCHA, that's quite a rivalry.

mnhockey75 (aka) UND fan. When you understand college hockey let me know. We can chat then. By the way..... Of all the WCHA teams playing Minnesota has the biggest target on their backs and it's not even close. Say what you want about UND but their main rival is Minnesota. Why does North Dakota hockey suck so bad? You must really be embarrassed to be a UND fan supporting the 2 North Dakota kids they have on their team each and every year. Go two guys and 26 year old freshman from Canada do us prairie dogs proud.

Gorilla- UND is a cute little hockey school that imports majority of their talent from Canada. What an accomplishment. It looks like North Dakota is a long way away from developing their youth hockey players. Just look at the Minnesota high school hockey teams playing North Dakota teams around the holidays this year. You get your best 15 skaters at any and every age group and lets play hockey. As soon as Team Minnesota mops up you all can sing O'Canada.



Below is UND's new fight song:

O UND (Canada)!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide, O UND (Canada),
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
UND (O Canada), we stand on guard for thee.
UND (O Canada), we stand on guard for thee.

[MNHockey75]

mnhockey75 (aka) UND fan. When you understand college hockey let me know. We can chat then. By the way..... Of all the WCHA teams playing Minnesota has the biggest target on their backs and it's not even close. Say what you want about UND but their main rival is Minnesota. Why does North Dakota hockey suck so bad? You must really be embarrassed to be a UND fan supporting the 2 North Dakota kids they have on their team each and every year. Go two guys and 26 year old freshman from Canada do us prairie dogs proud.

Alright buddy. What are you getting at? Did I say anything about Minnesota having a target? Did I say anything about the U not being UND's biggest rival? You said UND doesn't have any other rivals, and that's not true. I really don't care about North Dakota high school hockey. For your information, I have played in the Minnesota State High School Hockey Tournament. I love Minnesota hockey, I love college hockey, but I hate it when UND and Minnesota fans argue over absolutely nothing. When I was a youngster living in the cities I was a Gopher fan, but my family moved up north and I got hooked on the Fighting Sioux. The Gophers should be very proud of their accomplishments with just Minnesota kids. Let the scoreboard do the talking. The Gopher players took it like men, why can't you?

[Judgeandjury]

mnhockey75 (aka) UND fan. When you understand college hockey let me know. We can chat then. By the way..... Of all the WCHA teams playing Minnesota has the biggest target on their backs and it's not even close. Say what you want about UND but their main rival is Minnesota. Why does North Dakota hockey suck so bad? You must really be embarrassed to be a UND fan supporting the 2 North Dakota kids they have on their team each and every year. Go two guys and 26 year old freshman from Canada do us prairie dogs proud.

Alright buddy. What are you getting at? Did I say anything about Minnesota having a target? Did I say anything about the U not being UND's biggest rival? You said UND doesn't have any other rivals, and that's not true. I really don't care about North Dakota high school hockey. For your information, I have played in the Minnesota State High School Hockey Tournament. I love Minnesota hockey, I love college hockey, but I hate it when UND and Minnesota fans argue over absolutely nothing. When I was a youngster living in the cities I was a Gopher fan, but my family moved up north and I got hooked on the Fighting Sioux. The Gophers should be very proud of their accomplishments with just Minnesota kids. Let the scoreboard do the talking. The Gopher players took it like men, why can't you?

Minnesota is very proud of their history and more importantly being loaded with Minnesota kids. We can win each and every year using majority of Minnesota kids.
Please let me know how UND would do using 90% plus North Dakota kids on their team? I cannot accept UND fans being excited about their team when they have to import players from Canada. Spare me on the ND and Canada border. If you look at the map please tell me what's directly above Minnesota? From time to time we do recruit a Canadian player but not more than one maybe two players at a time. Also keep in mind that there's a reason why these Canadian players choose UND over Juniors and it's not the education. Just ask Duncan.

[gorilla1]

MN75 and UNDlars, just let it go. What would you do if you self proclaim yourself the "State of Hockey" and a school from North Dakota has more Championships then all 4 of your colleges and both of your pro teams combined? Or if you haven't won as many WCHA titles as that "little school from North Dakota?" Or if you haven't had as many players named to the 1st team WCHA conference team? Or if the "State of Hockey" school had a inferior facility, and the goofiest looking uniforms in college hockey--a Rodent with buck teeth smilin carrying a stick?

The answer? Make a stupid claim that, in essence, no one in america can be proud of their team winning because they don't have "90%" of their own players playing on their team. There are maybe three people in Minnesota (who have a little man's syndrome) who think this. I actually feel sorry for Judge. The rest of the Gopher fans can like the fact that they have Minnesota kids playing for them and leave it at that. Judge can't even cheer for the U hockey team most of the time because they don't have a team made up of 90% Minnesotans. You make a good point that the best players to come through Minnesota recently have been from AUSTRIA and Wisconsin, and don't forget North Dakota. How could judge feel proud of his team playing with these "imports?" When you have nothing else to use, you simply stay away from the facts. Judge can't even cheer for any other team at the U given his claims.

Winning is all that matters at this level. Notice how he can't answer the question I posed earlier about winning.

Some people just don't get it and they never will!! Can you imagine the number of Lucia posters he must have in his room? :D

[gorilla1]

By the way, Minnesota is not the State of Hockey when it comes to college hockey, and it is not the State of Hockey when it comes to pro hockey. Not even close. Too many other more successful teams and programs out there for this state to make the claim. Closest thing to that is Michigan.

[biscuit in the basket]

By the way, Minnesota is not the State of Hockey when it comes to college hockey, and it is not the State of Hockey when it comes to pro hockey. Not even close. Too many other more successful teams and programs out there for this state to make the claim. Closest thing to that is Michigan.

Are you just trying to start more arguements?
Minnesota is the State of Hockey! Thats all the way through Squirts, Pee Wees, Bantams, High School, College, and Pros. Enough said.

[MNHockey75]

By the way, Minnesota is not the State of Hockey when it comes to college hockey, and it is not the State of Hockey when it comes to pro hockey. Not even close. Too many other more successful teams and programs out there for this state to make the claim. Closest thing to that is Michigan.

Are you just trying to start more arguements?
Minnesota is the State of Hockey! Thats all the way through Squirts, Pee Wees, Bantams, High School, College, and Pros. Enough said.

Agreed.

[biscuit in the basket]

MN75 and UNDlars, just let it go. What would you do if you self proclaim yourself the "State of Hockey" and a school from North Dakota has more Championships then all 4 of your colleges and both of your pro teams combined? Or if you haven't won as many WCHA titles as that "little school from North Dakota?" Or if you haven't had as many players named to the 1st team WCHA conference team? Or if the "State of Hockey" school had a inferior facility, and the goofiest looking uniforms in college hockey--a Rodent with buck teeth smilin carrying a stick?

The answer? Make a stupid claim that, in essence, no one in america can be proud of their team winning because they don't have "90%" of their own players playing on their team. There are maybe three people in Minnesota (who have a little man's syndrome) who think this. I actually feel sorry for Judge. The rest of the Gopher fans can like the fact that they have Minnesota kids playing for them and leave it at that. Judge can't even cheer for the U hockey team most of the time because they don't have a team made up of 90% Minnesotans. You make a good point that the best players to come through Minnesota recently have been from AUSTRIA and Wisconsin, and don't forget North Dakota. How could judge feel proud of his team playing with these "imports?" When you have nothing else to use, you simply stay away from the facts. Judge can't even cheer for any other team at the U given his claims.

Winning is all that matters at this level. Notice how he can't answer the question I posed earlier about winning.

Some people just don't get it and they never will!! Can you imagine the number of Lucia posters he must have in his room?

Like yourself?