Official Road To State U12A Thread

sixbucksagallon · Post by **sixbucksagallon** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:43 am

I didn't say they were miserable. I am saying is it does affect the children and parents who are being passed on a regular basis during a game. It's one thing if it is the last 3 minutes of a game and it is tied...If I were the high school girls varsity coach I would be having some serious discussions with the board. I would want them to win, but more importantly I would want all 15 girls to develop game situations so when they reach high school they are ready. These are the best 15 at that age group, in Edina, and all are very good players. The point being the best 5 right now might not, or might not have been, the best 5 come high school. These girls will learn in a couple of years that if you are one of the best 5 or 9 players on the team you won't get much ice time. But I think at 13 that is a little early.

Hockeydaddy · Post by **Hockeydaddy** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:10 pm

I think you Minnetonka guys are too worried about what happens in Edina.

sixbucksagallon · Post by **sixbucksagallon** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:18 pm

Actually, I really don't care. I love Edina and love that it is a great "hockey town". I don't know why you guys can't take some constructive critisism without getting all bent out of shape. I think you have a great team, I disagree with your coach on winning and molding hockey players (at this young of an age), I feel bad for the kids who are missing shifts, I feel bad for the parents of those kids who were ecstatic that their daughter made the A team, forked out $1600.00 to watch the others play and then have to console their child after the game. Maybe shorting at 14u like bantams, but 12 u?

Good luck Edina Green, I am sure you will do well.

Hockeydaddy · Post by **Hockeydaddy** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:33 pm

Actually, I'm from Wayzata. I can't take criticism either.

sixbucksagallon · Post by **sixbucksagallon** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:24 pm

Sorry Hockeydaddy, thought I was talking to blondiedaddy. Anyway, wish you all the best of luck. Enjoy these years because they go really fast. Not sure if im looking forward to Stillwater or not but we will give it our best shot!!

Either way youth hockey is the best!!!

Cornhuskeroil · Post by **Cornhuskeroil** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:29 pm

JRG wrote:
royals dad wrote:
Cornhuskeroil wrote:Red Division
1. Andover
2. Cottage Grove
3. Woodbury
4. Buffalo

Blue Division
1. Lakeville
2. Anoka
3. NWC
4. Champlin Park

3 go to state.
Where and when are these games. My daughter knows alot of these girls through selects and would like to make some if she can. Thanks.
It starts Friday morning at 10AM in Albertville, Woodbury v Andover.

Here is a link for specif games and times for the 12A NAtional Region. If the link doesn't work go through the Minnesota Hockey website under tournaments: http://www.minnesotahockey.org/assorted ... 011909.pdf

EZ · Post by EZ » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:33 pm

OK I guess that it is finally time for me to jump into this one.

My daughter skates on the 3rd line for this infamous Edina Green team. She is having the time of her life. The chemistry on this team is incredible. She has improved her skating and hockey skills immensely this season. The head coach is one of the best coaches I have seen in any sport and truly cares about each player and their personal development. I have had a number of parents from her last years team that are on the other A team and B team’s comment to me on how much she has improved.

I agree that we do have a strong first line. They start the game and every period and are the first line out on power plays and penalty kills. This is common coaching sense and most teams do this. I have seen the strongest couple of girls on the other teams we play skate every other line so those that are bashing this team you should take a look internally.

If you paid close attention in Districts, ~ 50% of the goals scored were from the 2nd and 3rd lines (my daughter even put a nice one-timer in).

She has never complained once about lack of playing time and it has not been a concern of mine or the other parents on her line.

U10Father you are way out of line on this one. Give this team some credit, they worked extremely hard through Districts without 2 key skaters and beat a very good EP team two days in a row.

sixbucksagallon · Post by **sixbucksagallon** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:41 pm

I stand corrected. If it works, don't fix it.

royals dad · Post by **royals dad** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:13 pm

Thanks for the link and info.

demongoed · Post by **demongoed** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:28 am

Edina, Minnetonka, Stillwater, Andover. . .It wouldn't matter what association it was. Coaches are very powerful influences on 12 year olds who respect and admire them. A kid this age who has a coach who, game-to-game through playing time tells her she's not good enough to be out there undoubtedly starts to believe it. It slowly erodes her confidence, even if she's having fun playing with her friends. A coach who puts winning above developing ALL aspects of a 12-year-old player, is failing.

What surprises me is that there's confirmation from parents of girls on this team that shortening the bench is common, AND OK with them and their girls because the team is winning. Sounds like these girls have happily accepted their coach's view that they're not good enough to play much and belong on the bench. It sounds like their parents are sending this message to their daughters as well.

BTW, I don't have a U12 daughter. I do have strong opinions about this, though. I have a son who's played through the youth system, developed into one of the stronger players, and was lucky enough to always have coaches through Peewees who, much to the dismay of some of the parents, never believed in shortening the bench except in championship games. Contrary to what EZ wrote, my experience back in Peewees was not that it was "common coaching" for any team to start the same line every game and every period. It was rare to see boys teams at that level overplay certain lines except for clutch games. My son's teams won districts and were in the state tournament a couple of times, proof that it can be done. He does have two friends, though, who had coaches at the B level who played only certain players, and quit after Peewees.

spin-o-rama · Post by **spin-o-rama** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:05 pm

demongoed,
you are making condemning conclusions based on hearsay and observations from an extremely small sample size. I have not seen this team play or know any of the families personally, and I doubt from your comments that you have either. How about we let the parents and the kids make the call for what is right?

demongoed · Post by **demongoed** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:18 pm

"I agree that we do have a strong first line. They start the game and every period and are the first line out on power plays and penalty kills."

Spin-The above is a direct quote from EZ, a parent of one of the girls on the team. That's not a sample, that's a fact. My comments come directly from this first-hand account.

I'm expressing my view on this, which is obviously in conflict with that coach. I've seen first-hand how kids get discouraged and start to question their abilities when their coaches don't play them like they play other kids. If that's not happening on this team, so be it. It's hard to believe, though, that at least some of the girls are not affected by it.

spin-o-rama · Post by **spin-o-rama** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:52 pm

That's not the part that I am criticizing you for. Among other things, you are determining from that snippet of information that the coach is demeaning the girls and that the parents are fops for not recognizing it and letting it happen. That is what I am criticizing you for. You don't know enough to make such a drastic conclusion.

Hockeydaddy · Post by **Hockeydaddy** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:46 pm

Trojans 3
Tonka 0

and it wasn't that close

pinsplitter · Post by **pinsplitter** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:50 pm

OMG 6
Edina 4

B'ville 4 (OT)
M.V. 3

pinsplitter · Post by **pinsplitter** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:50 pm

Wayzata 3
EP 2

T3 · Post by T3 » Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:39 am

National Region Scores

Andover 6
Woodbury 0

Cottage Grove 3
Buffalo 2

Lakeville 5
NWC 0

Anoka 3
Champlin 0

Pens4 · Post by **Pens4** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:11 am

Any score from last nights Tonka / Highland game?

pinsplitter · Post by **pinsplitter** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:56 pm

Highland Park 6
Minnetonka 1

Burnsville 6
OMG 4

Edina 6
M.V. 4

Pens4 · Post by **Pens4** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:14 pm

Highland 4
Wayzata 1

Highland pulled its goalie while up 3-1 and scored to move past Wayzata as the #2 seed in the crossover games. Lets spread the word to move back to double-elimination brackets for regionals....pulling the goalie with a 3-1 lead is wrong.

LawsonLowLife · Post by **LawsonLowLife** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:44 pm

Pulled the goalie with a lead? Wow, that's cold.

Anyone know how Andover did this afternoon? After the OT loss yesterday, and the fact that Buffalo beat Cottage Grove, I hope their defense held up today.

Pens4 · Post by **Pens4** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:24 pm

American Region:

Anyone have the OMG / Moundsview score ?

jollyroger · Post by **jollyroger** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:35 pm

Pens4 wrote:Highland 4
Wayzata 1

Highland pulled its goalie while up 3-1 and scored to move past Wayzata as the #2 seed in the crossover games. Lets spread the word to move back to double-elimination brackets for regionals....pulling the goalie with a 3-1 lead is wrong.

Excuse me, but the Highland coach couldn't get a straight answer from the
Tournament director on what they needed to do to move on. The coach believed Highland had to win by 3 goals to advance to Sunday, so they did. You can apologize to him tomorrow, and if you have an issue with it, talk to the Tournament director.

Pens4 · Post by **Pens4** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:48 pm

jollyroger wrote:
Pens4 wrote:Highland 4
Wayzata 1

Highland pulled its goalie while up 3-1 and scored to move past Wayzata as the #2 seed in the crossover games. Lets spread the word to move back to double-elimination brackets for regionals....pulling the goalie with a 3-1 lead is wrong.
Excuse me, but the Highland coach couldn't get a straight answer from the
Tournament director on what they needed to do to move on. The coach believed Highland had to win by 3 goals to advance to Sunday, so they did. You can apologize to him tomorrow, and if you have an issue with it, talk to the Tournament director.

Your not listening...the point is a coach should not have to win a game by a certain amount of goals to win a tie breaker. We need to go back to the double elinination tournament so this doesn't happen. Clear?

jollyroger · Post by **jollyroger** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:55 pm

Crystal. And everybody in attendance today would agree with that 100%.

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