Who's going to state out of 1AA?

Sioux Fan · Post by **Sioux Fan** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:46 pm

Oh on our squad three players played excellent college hockey two in the WCHA and one more played professional 3 actually played at least one year professionally.

These are the guys that were ruled as not good enough.

By the way if the Mayo kids would have all stayed together and played they may have been competitive.

Aaron Gill, BJ Abel Mike Colgan Marc Ranfranz all played on the north team..

I agree they were all pretty good.

Lucia4President · Post by **Lucia4President** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:46 pm

Start developing them in Squirts. More practices, less games. Put them on smaller teams. One coach for every 12 players. It's just like school- if you have more one on one teaching, people are more likely to understand and do better overall. Split the town into three youth teams at the PeeWee and Bantam levels, and have them all playing the HS team's system. If they have the systems burned into their minds, they will be able to worry about working hard on the PP, PK, etc during the games instead of worrying about what spot they need to be in, who to cover, etc.

As for Lourdes, they will still draw from the other HS teams no matter what. However, you would probably get kids staying at Mayo, Century, and JM if the teams were consistently in the top 20 of Class AA. If RYHA developed kids correctly, there is no reason they wouldn't be.

rockets4 · Post by **rockets4** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:47 pm

Those kids would also get used to playing wiht each other and count on the fact that the kids they play with in Bantam A's will be the kids they play with at the High School level instead right now those kids will play with each other all the way up and then when they get to High School they'll all split up and go to different High Schools and have to play with kids their not used to playing with

that rite there is why roch dont win state every year. like i said any other twon in the state came come up w/ 4 i promiss u the roch schools will beat them. if the 4 duluth schools played the 4 roch schools the roch ones would win more then the dulth ones would

stmartin123 · Post by **stmartin123** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:51 pm

rockets4 wrote:Well when you say that they cant compete having three 'A' teams thats stupid because they are going to have to compete like that in high school. Plus whats the best way to get better? Play. Play good competition. Rochester would benefit in the long run from having three 'A' teams at each level because the kids playing at that level will continually get better by playing the best competition that they will eventually play in high school.

if roch does this then it will be the way it is for jefferson and kenady. i thino ther towns need to make tansfer rules and all privet schools outof hockey. yes even rich lourdes. thats the only way to make everything fair

Cause removing all of the private schools would be totally fair.

rockets4 · Post by **rockets4** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:51 pm

However, you would probably get kids staying at Mayo, Century, and JM if the teams were consistently in the top 20 of Class AA. If RYHA developed kids correctly, there is no reason they wouldn't be.

schools with 2 3 4 teams all are good forone reason, they let them tranfer, roch dont let that happen. they dont let it happen because they woulddominate everything not just hockey. roches athletic ablity is unbealvable. but noe can see it due to the tranfer rule and the amount of high schools

Lucia4President · Post by **Lucia4President** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:52 pm

rockets4 wrote:Those kids would also get used to playing wiht each other and count on the fact that the kids they play with in Bantam A's will be the kids they play with at the High School level instead right now those kids will play with each other all the way up and then when they get to High School they'll all split up and go to different High Schools and have to play with kids their not used to playing with

that rite there is why roch dont win state every year. like i said any other twon in the state came come up w/ 4 i promiss u the roch schools will beat them. if the 4 duluth schools played the 4 roch schools the roch ones would win more then the dulth ones would

I'd agree with you. Besides East and Marshall, I think Mayo, JM, Century and Lourdes would beat Denfeld and Central more times than they lost. I think East and Marshall would win more than they lost against Rochester schools, though.

Sioux Fan · Post by **Sioux Fan** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:53 pm

Also I have never been involved in a youth program that bad mouths the High school programs more than the RYHA does.

It is where the kids go if they want excellence than demand it from the administrators at the school. Personally I am glad my sons played for Coach Grosso he runs a better Power play than I ever do.

I just wish he would work em harder on conditioning but that is my problem. He is a fine man and taught my sons more than hockey.

rockets4 · Post by **rockets4** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:54 pm

Cause removing all of the private schools would be totally fair.

yes it would be fair because if u can prove that none of those kids are there for hockey only then itis fair. 90% of the kids on those teams r scouted! loudes cant souct cus roches rules r to strick, however theyr gulity also cuz kids gothere for sports not church education. so yes ALL PRIVET SCHOOLS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PLAY SPORTS

joycer10 · Post by **joycer10** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:54 pm

rockets4 wrote:Those kids would also get used to playing wiht each other and count on the fact that the kids they play with in Bantam A's will be the kids they play with at the High School level instead right now those kids will play with each other all the way up and then when they get to High School they'll all split up and go to different High Schools and have to play with kids their not used to playing with

that rite there is why roch dont win state every year. like i said any other twon in the state came come up w/ 4 i promiss u the roch schools will beat them. if the 4 duluth schools played the 4 roch schools the roch ones would win more then the dulth ones would

All I am saying is that If the program was split up into 3 then the players would be far more developed. Because right now probably only 1/4 of the high school players in Rochester ever played Bantam A's while if you split the program into 3 probably 9/10 would have played A Bantams which would result in better experiance for the young players and result in better High School teams coming out of Rochester.

stmartin123 · Post by **stmartin123** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:54 pm

rockets4 wrote:
that rite there is why roch dont win state every year. like i said any other twon in the state came come up w/ 4 i promiss u the roch schools will beat them. if the 4 duluth schools played the 4 roch schools the roch ones would win more then the dulth ones would

Ummm... I dont think you're correct.

eagle4life9 · Post by **eagle4life9** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:54 pm

Maybe Rochester needs to build another high school so rockets4 can go back to English class and get some more one on one time.

Lucia4President · Post by **Lucia4President** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:55 pm

Sioux Fan wrote:Also I have never been involved in a youth program that bad mouths the High school programs more than the RYHA does.

It is where the kids go if they want excellence than demand it from the administrators at the school. Personally I am glad my sons played for Coach Grosso he runs a better Power play than I ever do.

I just wish he would work em harder on conditioning but that is my problem. He is a fine man and taught my sons more than hockey.

Grosso, Lecy, and Frutiger are all very good coaches. Imagine what they would be able to do with well-developed players out of the youth program.

stmartin123 · Post by **stmartin123** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:55 pm

rockets4 wrote:Cause removing all of the private schools would be totally fair.

yes it would be fair because if u can prove that none of those kids are there for hockey only then itis fair. 90% of the kids on those teams r scouted! loudes cant souct cus roches rules r to strick, however theyr gulity also cuz kids gothere for sports not church education. so yes ALL PRIVET SCHOOLS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PLAY SPORTS

I would really like to talk to your source.

stmartin123 · Post by **stmartin123** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:57 pm

eagle4life9 wrote:Maybe Rochester needs to build another high school so rockets4 can go back to English class and get some more one on one time.

dat is relley tru

rockets4 · Post by **rockets4** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:57 pm

I'd agree with you. Besides East and Marshall, I think Mayo, JM, Century and Lourdes would beat Denfeld and Central more times than they lost. I think East and Marshall would win more than they lost against Rochester schools, though.

this is my point they dont have a tranfer rule so they have 2 great teams if roch did this they would have 2 great ones also but roch has the rules that other towns dont

rockets4 · Post by **rockets4** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:01 pm

I would really like to talk to your source.

my scorce is me, if there are no kids that go there for sports only then its fair but beyond that its not

all those coaches r good coaches your rite and they do the best with what they got others coaches like edinas and sta aha de r just handed talent

bythe way roch islooking to build another high school and sence im still in high school i would hope u can sp better then me

joycer10 · Post by **joycer10** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:01 pm

rockets4 wrote:Cause removing all of the private schools would be totally fair.

yes it would be fair because if u can prove that none of those kids are there for hockey only then itis fair. 90% of the kids on those teams r scouted! loudes cant souct cus roches rules r to strick, however theyr gulity also cuz kids gothere for sports not church education. so yes ALL PRIVET SCHOOLS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PLAY SPORTS

#1 it's Private not Privet learn how to spell (BTW I'm in High School too I can spell fine)

#2 I'm friends with a lot of kids who attend Hill-Murray for the Catholic education and many of them play sports. Saying that private schools should not be allowed to play sports is ridiculous kids should be allowed to play sports for the high school they attend.

rockets4 · Post by **rockets4** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:03 pm

#1 it's Private not Privet learn how to spell

#2 I'm friends with a lot of kids who attend Hill-Murray for the Catholic education and many of them play sports. Saying that private schools should not be allowed to play sports is ridiculous kids should be allowed to play sports for the high school for they attend.

#1 i no how to spell im just typing fast

#2 like i said prove that all their kids are not only there for sports and its fair

nipeshow18 · Post by **nipeshow18** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:04 pm

I am agreeing with all of the people that are saying they need to develop the youth better. Jefferson was nothing special until Saterdalen took over and got involved with the youth teams. No dads were allowed to coach and they were running the high school systems. He bred those players and made them want to play for him. The Rochester coaches need to get involved, but until RYHA pulls their heads out of their you-know-what and field three A teams I guess it is pretty difficult for the HS coaches to do.

But back to the thread, I am guessing one of the Lakevilles will go to state.

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:04 pm

Rochester does and will continue to develop some great players but I'm not so sure they would dominate even with just one team. Very good ..yes... but they haven't been hanging a whole bunch of state champ banners down there with just one A team. No doubt they are in a tough spot but I say bite the bullet like Lakeville did. If Lakeville had one A team in bantams they would be tremendous too. It seems the goal of RYHA is to compete for titles, not develop kids for high school. I know if I was the coach at the high school level I'd be looking for some changes.

rockets4 · Post by **rockets4** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:06 pm

rockets4 wrote:

that rite there is why roch dont win state every year. like i said any other twon in the state came come up w/ 4 i promiss u the roch schools will beat them. if the 4 duluth schools played the 4 roch schools the roch ones would win more then the dulth ones would

Ummm... I dont think you're correct.

i no its correct come find me when u have 4 teams that could beat or play even with all the roch teams

Lucia4President · Post by **Lucia4President** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:06 pm

keepyourheadup wrote:Rochester does and will continue to develop some great players but I'm not so sure they would dominate even with just one team. Very good ..yes... but they haven't been hanging a whole bunch of state champ banners down there with just one A team. No doubt they are in a tough spot but I say bite the bullet like Lakeville did. If Lakeville had one A team in bantams they would be tremendous too. It seems the goal of RYHA is to compete for titles, not develop kids for high school. I know if I was the coach at the high school level I'd be looking for some changes.

Exactly. It seems like RYHA is looking to make the youth program one of the more prestigious in the state, not the high school programs.

rockets4 · Post by **rockets4** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:09 pm

Rochester does and will continue to develop some great players but I'm not so sure they would dominate even with just one team. Very good ..yes... but they haven't been hanging a whole bunch of state champ banners down there with just one A team.

no but they r ranked every year and thats more then many towns can say

and yes roch does need to have 3 A teams for that screws over all the good kids for awile and thats notfair

rockets4 · Post by **rockets4** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:14 pm

Exactly. It seems like RYHA is looking to make the youth program one of the more prestigious in the state, not the high school programs

yes it does look like that but here is how it happens in roch, that first time u get cut onto a C team they stop careing and trying to develop themselves, then when it comes time to make the high school teams so many kids have quit because they were put on C teams and the player that did stay and play C orB now play a big role on thier high school team, this is roches problut.im not saything they shouldnt have 3 A teams but it doesnt happen just likle that. the whole reason i stared this covestion was to shoe people that roch has more telent then most towns but scouts dont notice cuz there r to many school and dont take the time to come down here and find the great talent

joycer10 · Post by **joycer10** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:18 pm

rockets4 wrote:Rochester does and will continue to develop some great players but I'm not so sure they would dominate even with just one team. Very good ..yes... but they haven't been hanging a whole bunch of state champ banners down there with just one A team.

no but they r ranked every year and thats more then many towns can say

and yes roch does need to have 3 A teams for that screws over all the good kids for awile and thats notfair

so you would rather have a state ranked A Bantam team that competes for it's state tile at the Super Rink in blaine Rather then 3 Solid high School teams that could compete for a title at the X in front of 19,000?