Immigrant Fan wrote:Well this is getting tiresome, so let's wrap this up. The original topic has totally derailed. I will offer a final response, then will comment on this topic no further. Then you can have all the final words you want.
First, Import, if you are having trouble letting it go, then you are probably taking all of this too seriously. I am here because I am a fan of high school hockey and enjoy the dialogue and exchange of information and insights. If it is no longer enjoyable for you then step away.
The several of you (or one cadre with multiple profiles) can direct all the attacks at me that you like. You don't know me and draw all sorts of ridiculous inferences. I'm comfortable that all your desperate assertions are untrue. I have to deal with the absurdity of censorship by political correctness every day. I also understand abuse in all its forms well enough to use the term correctly.
So, returning to the facts. I had never paid attention to A hockey and did not know STA from any other school. I added the A games to my tournament experience. I chose to root for STA because I was assured they would win and I wanted us to cheer for a winner. We sat with the parents of the cadets and I became a fan with the zeal of the converted. I wanted to like STA and was ready to adopt them as my A team.
The conduct of the cadets was bad. The parents expressed amusement and appeared to condone the behaviors. Most of the cheers were typical of all schools. However, the cadets crossed the line. Yes, it does matter that it was a group of hundreds of high school age boys abusing a small handful of high school age girls. The cheerleaders were constrained from responding, had to remain and endure the abuse before thousands of people, including family and friends.
Yes, the cadets inflicted emotional and psychological abuse on those girls. You seem to be out-of-touch in trying to make it something other than it was. Based on the behavior of the cadets and the reaction of their parents, which I witnessed, I decided I was not a fan. My conclusion was not one with a preconceived bias nor based on prejudice. My choice was a judgment based on personal observation, when I wanted to perceive something very different. I guess you could call it post-judice.
The STA contingent earned my opinion and lack of respect on their own merits. I have no doubts they will have many opportunities in the future to change my mind.
Immigrant Fan wrote:Well this is getting tiresome, so let's wrap this up. The original topic has totally derailed. I will offer a final response, then will comment on this topic no further. Then you can have all the final words you want.
First, Import, if you are having trouble letting it go, then you are probably taking all of this too seriously. I am here because I am a fan of high school hockey and enjoy the dialogue and exchange of information and insights. If it is no longer enjoyable for you then step away.
The several of you (or one cadre with multiple profiles) can direct all the attacks at me that you like. You don't know me and draw all sorts of ridiculous inferences. I'm comfortable that all your desperate assertions are untrue. I have to deal with the absurdity of censorship by political correctness every day. I also understand abuse in all its forms well enough to use the term correctly.
So, returning to the facts. I had never paid attention to A hockey and did not know STA from any other school. I added the A games to my tournament experience. I chose to root for STA because I was assured they would win and I wanted us to cheer for a winner. We sat with the parents of the cadets and I became a fan with the zeal of the converted. I wanted to like STA and was ready to adopt them as my A team.
The conduct of the cadets was bad. The parents expressed amusement and appeared to condone the behaviors. Most of the cheers were typical of all schools. However, the cadets crossed the line. Yes, it does matter that it was a group of hundreds of high school age boys abusing a small handful of high school age girls. The cheerleaders were constrained from responding, had to remain and endure the abuse before thousands of people, including family and friends.
Yes, the cadets inflicted emotional and psychological abuse on those girls. You seem to be out-of-touch in trying to make it something other than it was. Based on the behavior of the cadets and the reaction of their parents, which I witnessed, I decided I was not a fan. My conclusion was not one with a preconceived bias nor based on prejudice. My choice was a judgment based on personal observation, when I wanted to perceive something very different. I guess you could call it post-judice.
The STA contingent earned my opinion and lack of respect on their own merits. I have no doubts they will have many opportunities in the future to change my mind.
Let 'er rip, guys. Cheers!
Such a typical frontrunning MN sports fan thing to say haha.
Immigrant Fan wrote:
Such a typical frontrunning MN sports fan thing to say haha.
Maybe... But not exclusive to MN.
How many Badger football fans did you know prior to Alvarez's arrival. No one ever talks about it now, but in the late 80s early 90 s there was eve some talk about the Packers moving to a new stadium outside Milwaukee. Went to plenty of Brewer games 7-8 years ago and could've basically sat anywhere I wanted.
Ever see crowd shots of Blackhawks games in the few years before Toews & Kane? Penguins were about to move before Crosby. Bruins were playing at 1/2 capacity in the early 2000's.
The list goes on, but you get my point. Frontrunners in sports happen in every state.
