Early Departures 15-16

Bonin2121 · Post by **Bonin2121** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:57 pm

Quick count of the '90s and younger I saw:
7 stayed
2 to NTDP
2 to USHL
1 graduated from Shattuck

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:38 pm

goldy313 wrote:Zach Parise didn't play high school hockey did he? I thought he just played at Shattuck.

I listed all the Shattuck kids as "No"

goldy313 wrote:Hayes played his senior year at LaCrescent.

Fixed

Wblhcky2424 wrote:Justin Braun played his senior year at White Bear

Fixed

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:02 am

Thanks,

The Eriah Hayes story is a pretty darn good one, from LaCrescent to the NHL. If you're good enough and keep at it they will find you.

skatez · Post by **skatez** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:42 am

If you are 6'4' + your chances of being found increase dramatically.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:14 am

Just to show that stats can be used to show anything you want...

• 64% of NHLers from MN played through their senior year, proving there's no real rush if your ultimate goal is to play in the NHL.
• Despite being only a tiny fraction of all MN players, those who left the MSHSL system early make up a solid 36% of NHLers from MN.

The same stat can be read either way for those who have an agenda to push (MHCA vs. USHL/CHL/AAA). Personally, I'm a college fan first, so I have no horse in the race other than the CHL vs. NCAA debate.

Regarding THAT discussion, I'll point out that Byfuglien and Pitlick were the only MN players that went through the WHL, and Pitlick only went that way because he flunked out of MSUM. Let's keep the MSHSL to NCAA tradition going! We've got to fill five in-state college rosters (and a good chunk of out-state rosters too).

LSQRANK · Post by **LSQRANK** » Wed May 06, 2015 12:16 pm

The Exiled One wrote: I'm saying that there are some logical reasons for leaving early if a kid is emotionally and mentally prepared for it. ... It's a trade-off. There's no "right" decision, just a decision. I think most high-end kids (and their parents) DO realize this.

A growing number of kids/families are also choosing to leave HS early to take advantage of various PSEO educational opportunities in a town where they can also train and play Junior A hockey rather than stay. Depending upon the particular Higher-Ed school, the student can have their tuition, books & parking paid 100% by the state as early as a junior in HS. So yes it is a financial choice, stay in HS, or ... get free Higher-Ed tuition, books, parking, and received both College & High School credit for completed course work, plus the benefits of training and competing a higher level than what MSHSL can hope to offer. In a way its like getting scholarship $$ before entering college full time. In addition, the college credits will eventually transfer to the college of your choice down the road. Not a bad deal provided the student can handle the challenge of expanding their comfort zone.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Wed May 06, 2015 1:46 pm

LSQRANK wrote:A growing number of kids/families are also choosing to leave HS early to take advantage of various PSEO educational opportunities in a town where they can also train and play Junior A hockey rather than stay. Depending upon the particular Higher-Ed school, the student can have their tuition, books & parking paid 100% by the state as early as a junior in HS. So yes it is a financial choice, stay in HS, or ... get free Higher-Ed tuition, books, parking, and received both College & High School credit for completed course work, plus the benefits of training and competing a higher level than what MSHSL can hope to offer. In a way its like getting scholarship $$ before entering college full time. In addition, the college credits will eventually transfer to the college of your choice down the road. Not a bad deal provided the student can handle the challenge of expanding their comfort zone.

I love the PSEO option! My local HS has tons of PSEO options and works with MNSCU to ensure the credits will transfer. I'm pretty sure there are quite a few Minnesota high schools that do this, but I don't have a definitive list. There are probably more in the metro area than in the outstate schools.

longrebound · Post by **longrebound** » Wed May 06, 2015 4:58 pm

LSQRANK wrote:
The Exiled One wrote: I'm saying that there are some logical reasons for leaving early if a kid is emotionally and mentally prepared for it. ... It's a trade-off. There's no "right" decision, just a decision. I think most high-end kids (and their parents) DO realize this.
A growing number of kids/families are also choosing to leave HS early to take advantage of various PSEO educational opportunities in a town where they can also train and play Junior A hockey rather than stay. Depending upon the particular Higher-Ed school, the student can have their tuition, books & parking paid 100% by the state as early as a junior in HS. So yes it is a financial choice, stay in HS, or ... get free Higher-Ed tuition, books, parking, and received both College & High School credit for completed course work, plus the benefits of training and competing a higher level than what MSHSL can hope to offer. In a way its like getting scholarship $$ before entering college full time. In addition, the college credits will eventually transfer to the college of your choice down the road. Not a bad deal provided the student can handle the challenge of expanding their comfort zone.

These kids aren't leaving high school administratively. They are still considered students at their high school and maintain the right to play varsity athletics for that school no matter where they physically take their classes under PSEO.

LSQRANK · Post by **LSQRANK** » Sun May 10, 2015 5:27 pm

These kids aren't leaving high school administratively. They are still considered students at their high school and maintain the right to play varsity athletics for that school no matter where they physically take their classes under PSEO.

Yes they are if they are leaving the state. State of Iowa has similar program which some USHL kids take advantage of. States of Wyoming & Colorado also has similar program under a different name for WSHL kids who participate.

green4 · Post by **green4** » Sun May 10, 2015 11:21 pm

LSQRANK wrote:
These kids aren't leaving high school administratively. They are still considered students at their high school and maintain the right to play varsity athletics for that school no matter where they physically take their classes under PSEO.
Yes they are if they are leaving the state. State of Iowa has similar program which some USHL kids take advantage of. States of Wyoming & Colorado also has similar program under a different name for WSHL kids who participate.

I don't think education is the reason many of these kids are leaving, many of them return to their original high school when the season is over. I obviously can't speak for all schools, but the kids who left Edina for hockey would come back in the spring when the season ended to graduate with their original high school.

LSQRANK · Post by **LSQRANK** » Sun May 10, 2015 11:52 pm

green4 wrote:I don't think education is the reason many of these kids are leaving, many of them return to their original high school when the season is over. I obviously can't speak for all schools, but the kids who left Edina for hockey would come back in the spring when the season ended to graduate with their original high school.

Yes I agree, its a two part equation (junior hockey + "PSEO-Type" education). Those kids who do come back immediately after the junior season generally are taking hybrid on-line courses through the college in spring semester term. Some elect just to stay through finals week in early May and continue training, and then come back and re-enroll/transfer into their local neighborhood high school just to get the piece of paper from a MN HS. But generally at that point, the kid is completely done with their HS credits and they are just taking a token class or study hall for 3 weeks until June graduation. I guess the point is, whether the kid stays in MN to enroll in PSEO and play juniors in MN or leave MN, its a financial incentive in the form of free college tuition, books and parking, plus receiving both College and HS credits. Anyway you cut it, its a good deal to get ahead in the game for a post-high school education.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:48 pm

Anybody have word on Will Garin (Holy Family), Myles Cunningham (Blake), or Jackson Cates (Stillwater)? They were all selected fairly early in the USHL draft.

BP · Post by BP » Tue May 12, 2015 10:08 pm

The Exiled One wrote:Anybody have word on Will Garin (Holy Family), Myles Cunningham (Blake), or Jackson Cates (Stillwater)? They were all selected fairly early in the USHL draft. Their rights are forfeit if they don't get 10 games in this season.

I think Will could legitimately leave for full season. Myles will play before and after. He is also going to play a year before going to Brown. Jackson, not sure. I could see him playing after the season. And a few in the fall too.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:42 am

BP wrote:
The Exiled One wrote:Anybody have word on Will Garin (Holy Family), Myles Cunningham (Blake), or Jackson Cates (Stillwater)? They were all selected fairly early in the USHL draft.
I think Will could legitimately leave for full season. Myles will play before and after. He is also going to play a year before going to Brown. Jackson, not sure. I could see him playing after the season. And a few in the fall too.

Correction to my previous statement, these guys can be held on affiliate rosters, but spots are limited for older players. Only two spots on the affiliate rosters for '97 born players like Garin. Six spots available for '98 born players.

Still, they were all drafted pretty early just to be placed on affiliate rosters.

herbst20 · Post by **herbst20** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:57 pm

Will Garin looked really good this past weekend in Cedar Rapids camp.

I 100% believe he will be in Cedar Rapids this year. I talked to his mom in camp and they have already been checking out schools down here.

Another name that I heard made the 30 man roster (which doesnt mean he has made the final roster) is Trevor Zins. He was a free agent in camp out of St Michaels-Albertville.

Chase Ellingson was in camp as well. He had moments of brilliance but parts where he was a bit invisible. I am guessing he goes to the affiliate list, but that is only opinion

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:20 pm

XO

I see you added Wait and Garin. Anything official? Or just your highly probable opinion?

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:00 pm

WestMetro wrote:XO

I see you added Wait and Garin. Anything official? Or just your highly probable opinion?

Highly probable.

minnscout · Post by **minnscout** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:09 pm

Garin playing for Cedar Rapids this season.

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:18 pm

XO

Have you got a short list you'd be willing to share of remaining "likely" early departures, even though you haven't yet put them on your latest departure list as "highly probable"

Example, your thoughts on potential departure likelihood for:

Edquist
Graham
Max Johnson
Mattson
Senden
Swaney
Tufte
Zimmer

Matt Anderson
Mayer
Middlestadt
Poehling
Reffenberger
Sorenson

Also, your thoughts on the fairly dramatic declines in total early departures last year, and possibly again this year, in comparison to the recently preceding seasons?

Post by **karl(east)** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:40 pm

Hardly anything definite here, but:

Probably gone: Swaney, Tufte, Zimmer

Probably staying: Graham, Mattson, Middelstadt, Poehling, Sorenson

No good intel on the rest.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:39 am

WestMetro wrote:Have you got a short list you'd be willing to share of remaining "likely" early departures, even though you haven't yet put them on your latest departure list as "highly probable"

No idea. I'll defer to Karl. The post-tryout rosters from the USHL are typically the big indicators of who's leaving early. The players with commitments are more prone to leaving early.

WestMetro wrote:Also, your thoughts on the fairly dramatic declines in total early departures last year, and possibly again this year, in comparison to the recently preceding seasons?

Actually, last year was a record year if you factor in all the kids who went from Achiever Academy to B.E. Emerson. If you don't count them, you could consider it a down year.

An optimist would say that the Edina & LVN stories of the past two seasons have sparked new fervor for MSHSL hockey. A pessimist would say that the USHL and NTDP don't value MN kids as much as they used to. A realist would probably write it off as cyclical.

nosoupforyou · Post by **nosoupforyou** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:51 pm

Add Jack Becker to the 'probably leaving' list. Made the Souix Falls roster and has not been participating in the Zephyr summer camp.

minnscout · Post by **minnscout** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:13 pm

Myles Cunningham playing for Bloomington USHL

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:58 pm

Max Johnson returning

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:07 pm

The Exiled One wrote:Max Johnson returning

Told you all this back in march. Edy will follow. LN will play in big game sat night next march in St. Paul.