Open Enrollment/Transfers

[xk1]

It would seem to me the term "grown" has implications, like born and raised. This means they started playing hockey at the earliest level and progressed to the HS level.
I never question one's reasons for moving, it's really none of my business, so whatever reason is given is OK.

[brookyone]

My only point, which seems to aptly apply in this case, once a family actually physically moves into a district, whatever the reason, there is or should no longer be any cause for complaint or continued negative comments. My reference to negative comments is not in any way directed at xk1 or ghshockeyfan, but rather a poster who has an anti Stillwater (and anti any team whose players score a relative large number of goals and teams that win by big margins) tone running thru many of his posts. According to him, he's able to judge a high school kids character (often as "classless") by the number of goals they score.

[hockeywild7]

Well said Brooky. And as i originally stated about people who post on here who dont have real facts to back up their "i dont know the real truth but this is what i have heard stories" I think you are doing a disservice to girls hockey. When you have the real facts on this or any other transfer you want to question then post it. But until then i find it all childish. This forum shouldnt be about starting or creating rumors. Also tell all the facts. And the facts about the LPH ad are the ad was placed by a parent in the community and was strongly criticized by many in the hockey program.

[Stillh2ofan]

I'm getting tired of reading these posts about the stillwater goalie who moved here over 3 years ago.If you want the true story why don't you talk to them.Last name Sobczak and and they are listed in the phone book.They would be more than happy to answer your questions.

[ghshockeyfan]

I've heard firsthand the rationale and to be honest my question was only if OE can happen outside MN to inside MN. This had no connection to any player or players, any program or programs, etc. It simply came out of an earlier discussion about specific players and programs and so I think some thought that I was "bashing" those same named or alluded to players which I actually wasn't even speaking to at all. My bad - I should have known better...

[Stillh2ofan]

Yes you can transfer into MN from another state and have your address still be say Wisc but you have to pay a school tax penalty its around $3,000+ from what I understand.
Thats why there are kids transfering in and using MN addresses so they don't have to pay the penalty.

[ghshockeyfan]

This makes sense now, and I can't blame them.

Might I add, there is really no difference between kids doing this and going to a private in MN while living in Western WI. I know that HM/CDH have had WI players before on their rosters. I also can't blame kids for wanting to play/go to school at Stillwater. I interviewed there the last time the job opened, and I was very impressed. My uncle was a teacher there but is now recently retired. I always thought highly of the school, but when I went through the interview process I couldn't believe the quality of the school, the community, and how invested the admin & community was in the program and hiring process. The principal himself walked me around the school after my 2nd round interview with a panel of 10+. They had representatives from all groups you could imagine - youth/players-captains/parents/admin/boys coach/ad/etc. I was really impressed. They were one of the first interviews that I had where they actually asked a "hockey systems" question at all - at the end in fact. They asked just about everything you could imagine. This was after a preliminary interview with the AD. When I toured the school, I was really impressed as well with the atmosphere and the lengths that admin was going to to ensure they had the best candidate - and especially so in knowing that I wasn't going to be a teacher-coach in that I work outside the school setting. In any case, I wanted that job real bad - but they got a great coach that has done very well there and I was very young at the time and felt honored to get to the point I did in the interview process as there was a good list of candidates for obvious reasons. I guess my point is that I can understand why kids would want to go to Stillwater if they have the option/choice & I see it as no different from a WI kid going to HM/CDH/etc.

[Stillh2ofan]

I also can't blame them for wanting to go to a school with all that and a slice of bread but the real question is where does the line get drawn.
Academics verses athletics who are we all kidding.
There are kids who deserve the spots on these teams and I don't mean medium players, I mean players who have proven them selves and can do the job and and get shoved to the side. Its a question of ethics if you ask me honestly.
But as up and down as this disscussion on OE can be now where do you draw the line on HG teams also?????????
The young Sobczak girl, playing in Stillwater her 4th season and plans on staying as far as I know thru HS does that not make her loyal and a hometown player or should everytime she does good bring up her family moved to a new home for personal/family reasons or wait that means HOCKEY. If a family of 9 can pick up and move for the game of hockey
the whole motive should be looked at before bashing or assumptions should occur.
I wasn't implying you were bashing a certain player/players it just gets old hearing the same old wine from certain posters (not you) who are clueless.

[ghshockeyfan]

The young Sobczak girl, playing in Stillwater her 4th season and plans on staying as far as I know thru HS does that not make her loyal and a hometown player or should everytime she does good bring up her family moved to a new home for personal/family reasons or wait that means HOCKEY. If a family of 9 can pick up and move for the game of hockey
the whole motive should be looked at before bashing or assumptions should occur.
I wasn't implying you were bashing a certain player/players it just gets old hearing the same old wine from certain posters (not you) who are clueless.

Perception vs. reality. That's what I fight every day as a coach too. When you're a high profile player you fight it as well, etc. This has long been a hot topic in communities that attract a lot of talent via OE. AND might I add, that in the private setting this happens as well (I'm not kidding). Some kids are lifelong determined participants/students at certain private schools (go through the feeders, etc.) only to see their chances at playing for their long determined HS destination go up in smoke when too many recent entries to the system appear. I never though that this could also happen in privates as I've explained, but it does. Also, though, I don't fault a kid for going K-8 public as it's expensive to go to a private school (obvioulsy).

[hotdog]

Well said Brooky. And as i originally stated about people who post on here who dont have real facts to back up their "i dont know the real truth but this is what i have heard stories" I think you are doing a disservice to girls hockey. When you have the real facts on this or any other transfer you want to question then post it. But until then i find it all childish. This forum shouldnt be about starting or creating rumors. Also tell all the facts. And the facts about the LPH ad are the ad was placed by a parent in the community and was strongly criticized by many in the hockey program.

Good to hear the ad wasn't placed by the school or any school employee. I am also glad to hear that those with the power were not happy to see this add. Parents can often take issues into their hands and make them something their not. I also wasn't aware this issue has been brought up on this board before. Issue just brings up how highly high school sports are regarded by many!