2008 Presidential election

[Neutron 14]

Clinton was busy staining Momica's dress when he should have been fighting terrorists who killed thousands of innocent people on 9/11.

Clinton was absolutely blasted by the Republicans for "wasting" a cruise missile that he shot at Bin Laden. Newt had a hey day with it. He tried and failed. They never "found" him again until Tora Bora. Monica had nothing to do with it.

[Knowlzee]

You guys are up. Too many issues to address, though, but here are a few.

Lee, God "going against us",....that's not a pleasant thought. Maybe we need a new GOD? Is he up for election?

Neut, don't loose too much sleep over the National debt "crisis". It's a dynamic number that doesn't really mean too much (it's not like your personal checking account), as George Blanda implied. But if you need a crisis, thats as good as any. However, better do a little more research, the number has been falling lately, primarily a result of the relatively strong economy feuled by the recent tax cuts.

Still waiting for examples of our President as an "idiot",.....or "bad things" he has done,.......or the "hypocrisy".

Finally, is it a "good thing" that we haven't been attacked since in 2001,.....remember, when some bad guys flew planes into a couple of our buildings, in New York? Is that just a coincidence, do you think?

[packerboy]

Neut, Bill was a little more than just distracted by the lovley Monica. The whole thing almost cost him his Presidency.

It was his watch and he was distracted with hanging on and covering up his lies. The guy was the President of the US. married with a daughter, and he conducted himself like a frat boy. Dont stick up for him.

[Neutron 14]

You guys are up. Too many issues to address, though, but here are a few.

Lee, God "going against us",....that's not a pleasant thought. Maybe we need a new GOD? Is he up for election?

Neut, don't loose too much sleep over the National debt "crisis". It's a dynamic number that doesn't really mean too much (it's not like your personal checking account), as George Blanda implied. But if you need a crisis, thats as good as any. However, better do a little more research, the number has been falling lately, primarily a result of the relatively strong economy feuled by the recent tax cuts.

Still waiting for examples of our President as an "idiot",.....or "bad things" he has done,.......or the "hypocrisy".

Finally, is it a "good thing" that we haven't been attacked since in 2001,.....remember, when some bad guys flew planes into a couple of our buildings, in New York? Is that just a coincidence, do you think?

WE THE PEOPLE spent 406 billion dollars in fy 2006 to pay the INTEREST on the deficit. The interest expense paid on the National Debt is the third largest expense in the federal budget. Only Defense and income redistribution (The Departments of Health and Human Services, HUD, and Agriculture (food stamps)) are higher. Going down? Hardly! Less deficit spending does not reduce our debt. Your listening to way too much Rush.

[BIAFP]

Just a thought...........vote DFL for a few years. Let all the male liberals marry all the other male liberals, female liberals marry the other female liberals, they will abort all the unborn liberals and in two generations we will be rid of all the lunatics! What a wonderful world it would be

[TTpuckster]

I will repeat:

THE GREAT MIS-LEADERS!!!!!!!!

[Neutron 14]

Neut, Bill was a little more than just distracted by the lovley Monica. The whole thing almost cost him his Presidency.

It was his watch and he was distracted with hanging on and covering up his lies. The guy was the President of the US. married with a daughter, and he conducted himself like a frat boy. Dont stick up for him.

Actionable intelligence. Not manufactured. When Clinton had it, he acted. Those are the facts. I'm not defending him. Why would I?

[BIAFP]

I will repeat:

THE GREAT Nancy Pelosi!!!!!!!!

[packerboy]

BIAFP's "Adam and Steve" proposal makes sense.

[Neutron 14]

BIAFP's "Adam and Steve" proposal makes sense.

So it does, so it does....

[BIAFP]

2008 Democratic Convention to be held on Brokeback Mountain

[Neutron 14]

Barney Frank will be VP...

Gladiator movies will be the rage...

Michael Moore dies of "over self indulgence"...

[Knowlzee]

Neut, you are right, my last post pertained to the budget deficit (not national dept), which is decreasing due to additional tax revenue as a result of the tax cuts.

With regard to national debt, it is at an all-time high (i.e. the government is spending more of our money than ever before). That is a "crisis" in the sense that government is inefficient and wasteful, our economy would be even more robust, with our money spent by us, rather than government.

The "INTEREST on the deficit" you refer too is consumed in higher interest rates, and inflation, both of which are relatively low, so nothing to loose sleep over. Many like to have us believe that the debt is accumulated and will be handed down to our kids in the future (i.e. the "crisis"), but it simply is not true, government cannot spend today what is collected in the future. Government borrowing, however, does drive interest rates higher, which may eventially lead to inflation (i.e. remember the 1970's, good community hockey,.......but high interest rates and inflation).

However, the best alternative to curb the "crisis", is to reduce government spending, of which Congress (not the President) is the cause. The President has veto power, and probably should have used it more often, but it is Congress that needs to be reigned in to reduce spending. Lower taxes is good, but reducing spending by our Congress may be even better.

Again, still waiting for examples of our President as an "idiot",......or "bad things" he has done,.....or "hypocrisy". Also, any comments on the fact of NO terrorist attacks on our soil since September, 2001,......coincidence,......or do they like us now?

[iceprofet07]

Bad Things or questionable things done by the administration.

1. Sending an assault force to occupy a country. Minimilist troop numbers during the Iraqi war. (Which has caused long term divergence of funds from Afghanistan).

"You go to war with the army you have, not with the army you want."

2. Belive that a democracy in the American image would form in Iraq and stabilize the region.

"The tyrant has fallen. Iraq is free"

3. "Mission Accomplished" farce on the carrier.

4. Calling the Iron Range the "Iron Ridge" not so bad maybe--I actually found it funny.

5. No Child Left Behind--what a joke.

6. Gitmo-how much of what you're claiming to defend are you willing to destroy?

Those are a few from the top of my head.

One more thing, I find it humorous that one of the biggest defenses for the administration is: well at least he isn't as bad as Clinton or at least he isn't as bad as Kerry would have been. Is it not just slightly degrading to the nation to extol our current president by measuring him against the worst traits of past leaders?

[PASTRAPIDSFAN]

Bad Things or questionable things done by the administration.

1. Sending an assault force to occupy a country. Minimilist troop numbers during the Iraqi war. (Which has caused long term divergence of funds from Afghanistan).

"You go to war with the army you have, not with the army you want."

2. Belive that a democracy in the American image would form in Iraq and stabilize the region.

"The tyrant has fallen. Iraq is free"

3. "Mission Accomplished" farce on the carrier.

4. Calling the Iron Range the "Iron Ridge" not so bad maybe--I actually found it funny.

5. No Child Left Behind--what a joke.

6. Gitmo-how much of what you're claiming to defend are you willing to destroy?

Those are a few from the top of my head.

One more thing, I find it humorous that one of the biggest defenses for the administration is: well at least he isn't as bad as Clinton or at least he isn't as bad as Kerry would have been. Is it not just slightly degrading to the nation to extol our current president by measuring him against the worst traits of past leaders?

What about every american will have affordable health coverage,what a lie.

[Knowlzee]

Blues Buddy's anglitch was easier to understand than the above mumbo jumbo by Iceprophet07.

If you want to take one of those "questionable" items "from the top of your head", and communicate why it is "questionable" by the administration, you may get a response.

No terrorist attacks to the US since September, 2001,......why do think that is? I wonder if we should keep fighting back and finish the mission,.....or just quit?

[Blue Breeze]

No terrorist attacks to the US since September, 2001,......why do think that is? I wonder if we should keep fighting back and finish the mission,.....or just quit?

You act like it's surprising that there have been no terrorist attacks on U.S soil since 9/11. Only TWICE has a terrorist group from the middle east attacked on U.S soil, both at the WTC, once in 1993 and obviously September of 2001.

If you look at terrorist attacks aimed at the U.S, it's an entirely different story since 2001.

*2002-A bomb exploded outside of a U.S consulate in Pakistan, 12 killed. Linked to Al-Qaeda.

*2003-In Saudi Arabia, a suicide bomber kills 34, including 8 Americans at a Western Housing compound. Al-Qaeda suspected.

*2004-The kidnapping and execution of Paul Johnson in Saudi Arabia by terrorists. 2 other Americans and a BBC cameraman killed by gunfire.

*2004-Saudi Arabian American consulate is stormed by terrorists, killing 5.

2005-In Jordan, 3 American hotels, the Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, are attacked by terrorists, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claims responsibility.

While the attacks haven't come on U.S soil, they rarely do. There have been 5 notable terrorist attacks on the U.S in the past 100 years, one of those being the Oklahoma City bombing, led by an American radicalist.

[Neutron 14]

No terrorist attacks to the US since September, 2001,......why do think that is? I wonder if we should keep fighting back and finish the mission,.....or just quit?

Tell me again who the president was when this happened?

[iceprofet07]

Bad Things or questionable things done by the administration.

1. Sending an assault force to occupy a country. Minimilist troop numbers during the Iraqi war. (Which has caused long term divergence of funds from Afghanistan).

"You go to war with the army you have, not with the army you want."

2. Belive that a democracy in the American image would form in Iraq and stabilize the region.

"The tyrant has fallen. Iraq is free"

3. "Mission Accomplished" farce on the carrier.

4. Calling the Iron Range the "Iron Ridge" not so bad maybe--I actually found it funny.

5. No Child Left Behind--what a joke.

6. Gitmo-how much of what you're claiming to defend are you willing to destroy?

Those are a few from the top of my head.

One more thing, I find it humorous that one of the biggest defenses for the administration is: well at least he isn't as bad as Clinton or at least he isn't as bad as Kerry would have been. Is it not just slightly degrading to the nation to extol our current president by measuring him against the worst traits of past leaders?

It was simple enough for me but I guess I'll elaborate if its necessary.

1. We sent 100,000 troops into a country that needed an extended occupation in order to reorganize. Now occupying a country with a population of about 26 million with 100,000 men may be sufficient in a war where the enemy is clearly distinguished may not be impossible. But occupying with such a small number when the enemy is ambiguous is extremely difficult. If only 1% of the population resists the troops are already outnumbered 2-1. A fact that is pychologically compounded by being unable to give the enemy a clear face.

2. OK this would might be even more obvious--Shiites, Sunnis, Kurds: while some can live peacefully together, the divide between the three groups is undeniable. Idealogical divides which take more than a change of power to heal. It's like asking Isreal and Palestine to make peace and form a single country. It can't happen because of the current level of mistrust.

3. On May 1, 2003 the president landed on the carrier USS Abraham Lincoln to declare an end to "major combat operations" in Iraq. It would seem that was not a good idea.

4. During a visit to Duluth during the 2004 presidential campaign the president called a rather important region in Cold War history by the incorrect name.

5. NCLB: No Child Left Behind. An education act requiring that students in elemenatry-high school are tested yearly to check school progress. Schools are then ranked based on test scores and allocated funding to improve. Sounds like a good idea, except the program has the side effect of causing some school districts to teach for a test rather than teach for knowledge. In addition, funding for the program has been cut to around 50% of the planned funds so school districts need assistance have difficulty improving. (There are more details but I don't really feel like writing them out here).

6. Ahh Guantanamo Bay: How many people are there? I don't know. What are they charged with? Again I can't answer. Apparently they are all really bad guys though, because until June 2006 the Geneva convention did not apply--so they aren't POW's; but the US Constitution did not apply either, so they're not prisoners. Now both documents seem to be cornerstones of US moral beliefs yet both are absent in Gitmo. What's the mistake in that?--How about what is right about that?

[Knowlzee]

So is the consensus to pullout of Iraq and quit,.....or just keep whining about the details?

Blue Breeze, thanks for the facts, very impressive. No, I am not "surprised" of no recent attacks on our soil. I cannot tolerate any, and am thankful there haven't been any since 2001,....and I attribute it to the leadership and response of our President.

Neut, Bush was our relatively new President during the attack in 2001, and he responded. Quite frankly, had we had a real leader in the office during the attack of 1993, we may not have had to experience the attack of 2001,......but the guy in the Whitehouse at that time was too busy staining dresses, and concerned about his poll numbers, to respond.

Iceprofit07, sorry to make you "elaborate" from the "top of your head", but you are right, those listed items aren't really bad, they are more on the order of "questionable things done by the administration",......sort of more whining than anything. Kind of like the anti-transfer hockey parents,.....that would rather whine to the MSHSL and get more regulation, than help their player compete at the highest level and become the best player he can be.

So lets get to the bottom line, should we keep whining about the details,.......or quit?

[Wild4hockey]

All parties involved in this debate over the national debt make good points. You must understand however that during Clinton's watch the economy experienced dramatic increases in worker prdouctivity and corporate profitability. Clinton employed a contractionary fiscal policy (i.e. raising taxes less gov't spending) while Greenspan followed an expansionary or easy monetary policy. This policy mix is widely accepted as optimal for price stability and growth of the economy.

Bush's ideology drove him to cut taxes as a means of spurring the economy. Giving people more money to consume items is a key factor in the national debt because as people consume more, imports increase and this contributes to our growing national debt. Future generations will have to pay for the debt in the form of lower employment and higher interest rates. The FED will do its best to regulate the economy but the FED's responsibility isn't to always counteract fiscal decisions, there sole mandate is to ensure price stability in the form of low rates of inflation.

If citizens of this country were really concerned with the national debt it could be solved through higher saving rates and less consumption, but that will most likely never happen.

[Blue Breeze]

Blue Breeze, thanks for the facts, very impressive. No, I am not "surprised" of no recent attacks on our soil. I cannot tolerate any, and am thankful there haven't been any since 2001,....and I attribute it to the leadership and response of our President.

I agree that no attacks should be tolerated. I'm not blaming Bush solely for that incident, that was something that was brewing for a long time, going back to the days shortly after the Soviets were withdrawn from Afghanistan. They were empowerd for such an attack with our money, so that administration shoulders as much of the blame as anyone else.

[Neutron 14]

Knowlzee,

The list is quite extensive, from nominating his own attorney to the supreme court, to ignoring the prior administrations warnings about Bin Laden. He's given billions in tax breaks to oil companies while they post record profits.

He isn't 1/10th the president his father was.

He's the worst.

The facts don't seem to interest you, and I understand, its hard to get at the truth. You wont read the truth in the papers(liberal) nor hear it on MPR (ultra-liberal). And your not going to get the truth from Faux news nor Rush Limbaugh. They're all "selling" you news. Are you buying it?

[PASTRAPIDSFAN]

Ed shultz calls Rush The druggy limbaugh (spelling)

[Knowlzee]

Blue Breeze, the attacks have been brewing for quit awhile (at least back to the great community hockey years of the 1970's), and many administrations along the way probably have blame. What is important is this administration has acted. Unfortunately, it took a direct hit,....but it was probably the only way this complacent country that we live in, would ever stomach it (as many in our comfortable lifestyles seem to be wavering).

Neut, I am not going to defend our President on each of the "quite extensive" list you and the iceprophet have developed,....as I don't agree with many of our Presidents actions and policy. However, this President has been a leader and has done everthing in his power to keep this country safe from harm,......which, quite frankly, is most important.

The "facts" do interest me, as Blue Breeze has provided. You and the iceprofit only seem to provide whining, that we are suppose to get all whipped up about,....I guess because you cite them.

Eddie "I am going to bop this bozo" Schultz, former quarterback and sports announcer,.....certainly a credibile source. What does Jim Adelson think?