Section 1A
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Tigerpride2
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west 3 marshall 0 Final
game got chippy towards the end a lot of penalties, there were times they were playing 3 on 3 hockey.
my opinion: marshall out worked west the first two periods, but if they want any chances of making any noise in sections theyre gonna need more than one person to step up and be a goal scorer/playmaker. 3rd period was more even but alot of penalties. west has one line with alot of talent, but lacks depth somewhat.
couldnt hear final shots over west fans at the end of the game but they shouldnt have been too excessive either way.
My seedings:
1.AL(all of the below)
2.West(quick,goal scorers)
3.NU(good goal tending)
4.Marshall(hard working)
game got chippy towards the end a lot of penalties, there were times they were playing 3 on 3 hockey.
my opinion: marshall out worked west the first two periods, but if they want any chances of making any noise in sections theyre gonna need more than one person to step up and be a goal scorer/playmaker. 3rd period was more even but alot of penalties. west has one line with alot of talent, but lacks depth somewhat.
couldnt hear final shots over west fans at the end of the game but they shouldnt have been too excessive either way.
My seedings:
1.AL(all of the below)
2.West(quick,goal scorers)
3.NU(good goal tending)
4.Marshall(hard working)
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Thegoldenjet
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Tigerpride2
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EaglesFan06
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Marshall vs West
I drove over from New Ulm to watch the game in Mankato this evening. I would agree the Refs were not very good. I don't think that it affected the out come of the game though. West just had more good scoring chances. I can count on one hand how many good scoring chances Marshall had. Even though West scored I thought Marhall's best period was the second. I think West was better in this game and being from New Ulm that is hard to say. I wouldn't count Marshall out of anything yet. They are a team that works hard and hustles every shift. West strength is their fisrt line after that line the others drop off considerably. But tonite Marshall was unable to find an answer for it..
Why did I know that Marshall people would bitch about the refs. From my perspective the refs were all right. Fact of the matter Marshall could not keep up with the speed of West and had to resort to clutch and grab. Scoring chances were a 5-1 ratio for West. Had West buried there opportunities early this would have been a blowout
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powerplay009
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Any of these top 4 teams AL, West, NU and Marshall could win this section. Marshall's top guys are gonna have to step up and find a way to put the puck in the net though if they want to go somewhere. I think they just hit a little scoring drought at the wrong time and I think they'll find it here in the last couple of games and carry it into sections. Should be a great section tournament in a couple weeks.
As far as the officiating goes for this game, had the Marshall coach not complained arfter EVERY call they might have caught a break. While I love the guys passion, you have to pick you battles as a coach. After all the complaining he did after EVERY call in the first period, I am surprised they called any penalties om West after that. Fact of the matter is that he called mored penalties on West the final 2 periods.
The other thing I noticed is that #27 on West seemed to get under the skin of every Marshall player and the Marshall bench was chirping at him all night
The other thing I noticed is that #27 on West seemed to get under the skin of every Marshall player and the Marshall bench was chirping at him all night
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Tigerpride2
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If you know anything about Marshall's coach, you'd know that's not his normal m.o.gabT wrote:As far as the officiating goes for this game, had the Marshall coach not complained arfter EVERY call they might have caught a break. While I love the guys passion, you have to pick you battles as a coach. After all the complaining he did after EVERY call in the first period, I am surprised they called any penalties om West after that. Fact of the matter is that he called mored penalties on West the final 2 periods.
The other thing I noticed is that #27 on West seemed to get under the skin of every Marshall player and the Marshall bench was chirping at him all night
But... when you go into a building and find out early that the referees will not protect players on both teams, the coach has to say something, doesn't he? One of your D ends up laying in the corner (courtesy of your favorite #27) that barely draws a minor. One of the refs refused to make a call all day, the other got stuck making every call, can't blame him for at least trying to earn his money.
The refs did not lose the game for Marshall. Marshall is tired and they are not scoring right now. Playing 3-on-5, 3 different times, for almost the entire 2 minutes, will do that to you.
West was the better team Saturday. Marshall will gladly play them again.
West has to hope someone can somehow knock off AL before they have to play them. AL is a bad matchup for West. Can match their speed, and are much tougher face-to-face. West's hooks and holds and elbows are called "checks". When their opponent does it, they are called "penalties". NU would give West trouble as well. It's a wide-open section tourney coming up. It's been awhile since someone outside the top 4 snuck into the picture. Quite honestly, any of the 4 could be upset by a 5-8 team if they look too far ahead.
#4 - Marshall - as was said, work hard, but will beat no one unless some "scorers" start scoring.
#3 - New Ulm - work hard/ lack scoring threats as well / probably have the best tender
#2 - West - good team speed / seem to be confident / have the 2-3 scorers the other teams lack
#1 - Albert Lea - still the team to beat / most well-rounded club of the 4
All 4 should go in respecting each other and letting the section tourney games decide who is better. Anyone feeling real superior right now is kidding themselves. Know that's hard for some to admit, but it's the truth right now.
Remaining schedule -
AL has East and Mayo
West has Faribault
New Ulm has Waseca, SCC, and Orono
Marshall has SE, Mpls East and Mpls West
(sorry, TigerPride2. I pretty much just said the same things you did, after looking back)
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a2ansa10
I am sure that is not the coaches MO. If you see I said I love his passion, but to question every call sends the wrong message to his players. I agree with you on the one ref who basically watched most of the game without blowing his whistle. That is the first time these two guys have worked a West game and I thought the one ref who called all of the penalties did his best to control the game.
Agree with your assessment of each of the top 4 teams.
AL is the favorite but any of the top 4 could beat each other on a given night
I am sure that is not the coaches MO. If you see I said I love his passion, but to question every call sends the wrong message to his players. I agree with you on the one ref who basically watched most of the game without blowing his whistle. That is the first time these two guys have worked a West game and I thought the one ref who called all of the penalties did his best to control the game.
Agree with your assessment of each of the top 4 teams.
AL is the favorite but any of the top 4 could beat each other on a given night
After all the good things Ive heard about the Marshall coach I was very surprised to see what I saw on Saturday night at all seasons arena. I will definitely agree with you that I am all for being in the officials ear and protecting your players but you have to realize there is a point where you have to quiet down and this guy just did not know when to do it. This guy was in the officials ear from the beginning to the end and I think it had a negative effect on the way the officials handled his team the rest of the game, how he handled his team the rest of the game, and how the team played the rest of the game.
One thing I do you have to ask you Marshall guys is really where do you expect this scoring to come from. Top to bottom these are a very very hard working bunch of kids but other then 1 or 2 I thought there was a real lack of skill players on the marshall side especially when you look and see all that West has on their bench. Just wondering where you see this scoring coming from.
I think this section will come down to West and AL with NU being the X-factor with their goaltending. Something that AL has on their side that they have every year is the Nystrom factor. This team is ALWAYS playing their best down the stretch and into playoffs. The thing I think West has on their side is the way the game has been called this year. The penalties have been way up and this is where West thrives. They have an outstanding PP and are also very very solid on the kill. Add that to 2 very good goalies in net, they are my pick to win it.
One thing I do you have to ask you Marshall guys is really where do you expect this scoring to come from. Top to bottom these are a very very hard working bunch of kids but other then 1 or 2 I thought there was a real lack of skill players on the marshall side especially when you look and see all that West has on their bench. Just wondering where you see this scoring coming from.
I think this section will come down to West and AL with NU being the X-factor with their goaltending. Something that AL has on their side that they have every year is the Nystrom factor. This team is ALWAYS playing their best down the stretch and into playoffs. The thing I think West has on their side is the way the game has been called this year. The penalties have been way up and this is where West thrives. They have an outstanding PP and are also very very solid on the kill. Add that to 2 very good goalies in net, they are my pick to win it.
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Puckhandler
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If you replace the word Marshall with the word West in the first sentence above, it is EXACTLY what I would have said about the West coach after they got beat 5-1 in Albert Lea.katoguy wrote:After all the good things Ive heard about the Marshall coach I was very surprised to see what I saw on Saturday night at all seasons arena. I will definitely agree with you that I am all for being in the officials ear and protecting your players but you have to realize there is a point where you have to quiet down and this guy just did not know when to do it. This guy was in the officials ear from the beginning to the end and I think it had a negative effect on the way the officials handled his team the rest of the game, how he handled his team the rest of the game, and how the team played the rest of the game.
The Marshall coach did not complain about every call last night. I thought that the ones that he did complain to the ref about he had good reason. The reffing last night was the worst I have seen all season. If the game had been the other way and Marshall was beating West 3-0 and they were calling West for the penalties I think West coach might have been doing the same thing.
O I liked the major penalty call at the end of the game to help "even out" the penalties.
O I liked the major penalty call at the end of the game to help "even out" the penalties.
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MNpuckster07
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I was at the Marshall West game on Saturday and here is my take. West was skating at a level that Marshall could not keep up so they continued to clutch and grab in an attempt to keep up with West. The problem for the Tigers was that the officals understand the new rules and continued to give Marshall penalities when they deserved them. In my opinion West dominated the game and appears to be the better team.
On a different note i was wondering why the New Ulm goalie is getting so much credit. New Ulm's GAA is almost exactly the same as Albert Lea and West but the difference is that New Ulm has played a much easier schedule up to this point.
My guess is AL and West in the section final.
On a different note i was wondering why the New Ulm goalie is getting so much credit. New Ulm's GAA is almost exactly the same as Albert Lea and West but the difference is that New Ulm has played a much easier schedule up to this point.
My guess is AL and West in the section final.
That is exactly right Puckhandler. The West coach was out of character in AL and his team responded by playing a game that is not typically their style. Maybe last night the Marshall coach was out of character but his players responded the same way the West kids did down in AL.
Lessons to be learned by all.
Lessons to be learned by all.
Puckhandler wrote:If you replace the word Marshall with the word West in the first sentence above, it is EXACTLY what I would have said about the West coach after they got beat 5-1 in Albert Lea.katoguy wrote:After all the good things Ive heard about the Marshall coach I was very surprised to see what I saw on Saturday night at all seasons arena. I will definitely agree with you that I am all for being in the officials ear and protecting your players but you have to realize there is a point where you have to quiet down and this guy just did not know when to do it. This guy was in the officials ear from the beginning to the end and I think it had a negative effect on the way the officials handled his team the rest of the game, how he handled his team the rest of the game, and how the team played the rest of the game.
topdawg. While I do not tolerate the slash that the West player delivered at the end, my question to you is how many times does a kid have to be cross checked in the head before he retaliates. What I saw was a face off and the Mankato kid went to the ice with a Marshall player on his back cross checking him to the back of the head 3 or 4 times. The Kato kid got up and retaliated. Its not as if the Marshall kids weren't delivering elbows and cross check all night. And believe me I have seen much worse reffing than you saw last night
topdawg wrote:The Marshall coach did not complain about every call last night. I thought that the ones that he did complain to the ref about he had good reason. The reffing last night was the worst I have seen all season. If the game had been the other way and Marshall was beating West 3-0 and they were calling West for the penalties I think West coach might have been doing the same thing.
O I liked the major penalty call at the end of the game to help "even out" the penalties.
Dodge County
Anyone know anything about dodge county, and how their team/season is going. Who would you compare them to in our section
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Have beaten Windom/Luverne/Waseca/Worthington-types by 3-4 goals.
Have beaten Fairmont/SE-types by 10 or more.
Keep getting better every year.
20-4 record. They are trying to improve their schedule gradually now that they are competitive. Feeding with a "B" youth program didn't work so well. Getting better now that they play "A" youth hockey.
They'd be in the 3-4-5 range in 1A this year, imo.
Goaler would probably know better than I.
Have beaten Windom/Luverne/Waseca/Worthington-types by 3-4 goals.
Have beaten Fairmont/SE-types by 10 or more.
Keep getting better every year.
20-4 record. They are trying to improve their schedule gradually now that they are competitive. Feeding with a "B" youth program didn't work so well. Getting better now that they play "A" youth hockey.
They'd be in the 3-4-5 range in 1A this year, imo.
Goaler would probably know better than I.
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I agree that Marshall did deserve penalties. I am not saying that they didn't. gabT I did not see the stuff before the slash to the head so I was out of character to comment on that. West did deserve to win that game and showed they were the better team last night. Sections will be great to watch. Marshall needs to find a guy or two to step up and start scoring. Taking slapshots from the blue line coming in 3 on 2 won't work most of the time.
Did anybody see if #10 from Marshall was checked into Wests goalie in the 3rd period or if he went balls out into the guy? I don't understand why he would run the goalie. Someone who saw it please inform me.
Did anybody see if #10 from Marshall was checked into Wests goalie in the 3rd period or if he went balls out into the guy? I don't understand why he would run the goalie. Someone who saw it please inform me.
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powerplay009
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He was tripped into the goalie which was clear, I dont think a guy would run the goalie on the powerplay with someone walking it from behind the net with a great scoring chance. He still got a penatly but West did the same thing some 2 minutes later and no call for running to the goalie. Marshall got a penalty because the ref said "he didn't make an attempt to stop" although he was tripped. Guess the West guy did make an attempt before plowing over the Marshall goaltender.
There is no way that he was tripped!! There wasn't a defenseman within 5 feet of him. It was a clear run!! The coach didn't complain about a trip like he had for just about everything else called or not in the game. It was a classless act and the West coaches know what happened. It will fun if these two meet at sections.