Only Private schools recurit?

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:34 am

As long as we have parents and kids looking for a better athletic situation than they had with their youth program, there will be recruiting. If there's a market for it, it will happen legal or otherwise.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:40 am

pioneers wrote:Maybe we should petition the MSHSL and have them just make recruiting legal. Schools could all add departments dedicated to recruiting. It would create lots of jobs and help the economy.

Legal , schmegal.

We should make it mandatory. If a school cant show it has a quality recruitng program , it should be disqualified form recieving state and federal funds.

We will call it "No recruit left behind".

Hilary can add it to her campaign just as soon as she gets out from under all of that heavy sniper fire.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:41 am

Can prevent recruiting!

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:49 am

There is no way to stop recruiting so here is the Catholics new logo: I wonder why its purple?

Our new motto is : "And remember, if you do recruit, recruit responsibly."

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:53 am

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:12 am

When your only response to my good points is "I don't understand what you just wrote" I just sit back and laugh.

Schools, both public and private, recruit for different reasons. Why do we even have threads about it? We all know it takes place and no one takes the discussions seriously.

Joey (nine toes) Marcoux · Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:20 am

Nobody takes you seriously, that's for sure

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:33 am

Be on the lookout!

pistol · Post by **pistol** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:38 am

Neutron 14 wrote:

Be on the lookout!

Looks like Ness or Landman, diving to avoid another Hill-Murray check.

rex123 · Post by **rex123** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:41 am

True story:
Local youth sports association holds signups. At table right next to signup is a table with High Schools coaches promoting their fee based sports clinics.

Is that recruiting?

What if the coach was from a Private School, is that recruiting?

Some of you guys are so full of Crap. You whine about Private Schools, but you will not even acknowledge Public Schools actions.
My son is a fairly decent Pee Wee player who has always attended private schools. He has never been approach by a coach from a private school. Local public schools coaches have talked to him numerous times. The private coaches would never attend a local youth function. The public coaches do all the time.
I am not accusing them of doing anything wrong, quite the opposite. They are good coaches, who give back a ton to the community and I respect them a lot.
I am just so tired of listening to so many of you cry about privates recruiting when as a Dad I see that the public schools have the upper hand. Where my son plays I can tell you the public school has the advantage in attracting players simply because they have a deep connects to the local youth programs. The Jersey for both programs are the same colors, names are very similar, etc…
Tell me one private program that has that. From my perspective public schools do as much if not more to attract (retain) players.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:45 am

If that were true rex, why is this man laughing ?

Nobody out plays the Catholics and nobody out recruit us..its that simple.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:57 am

HShockeywatcher wrote:When your only response to my good points is "I don't understand what you just wrote" I just sit back and laugh.

Schools, both public and private, recruit for different reasons. Why do we even have threads about it? We all know it takes place and no one takes the discussions seriously.

That being said ! I'm curious ! do you think anyone cares?

Can I get a Milhouse here !

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:07 am

Can't Never Tried wrote:
Can I get a Milhouse here !

Even though my signature has changed to reflect anit-recruiting vigilance, I'm still in "ignore mode" when it comes to you know who. Even Milhouse has better things to do than respond to her/him/it....

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:19 am

Neutron 14 wrote:
Can't Never Tried wrote:
Can I get a Milhouse here !
Even though my signature has changed to reflect anit-recruiting vigilance, I'm still in "ignore mode" when it comes to you know who. Even Milhouse has better things to do than respond to her/him/it....

Its hard not to respect this kind of vigilance, but I must warn you that it will not be effective.

I would start thinking about going this route if you want to protect your kids:

Pioneerprideguy · Post by **Pioneerprideguy** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:25 am

packerboy wrote:If that were true rex, why is this man laughing ?

Nobody out plays the Catholics and nobody out recruit us..its that simple.

Hill's brochure had to be modified to include another state title. Thanks to the Dolans for taking care of our printing needs. Needed to get a rush order in to keep up with the demand. All the exposure saved on our recruiting budget (which is basically unlimited). Looks like the housing market will also get a boost from people moving just to comply with the transfer rule. That MSHSL, just making moves to asist the economy.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:28 am

packerboy wrote:If that were true rex, why is this man laughing ?

He likes being pet?

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:32 am

"not respecting me" is fine, but not respecting what I'm saying and continuing the posting like you do is proving my point for me. Someone like rex with first hand knowledge presenting it and the responses being the way they are accentuate the point even more. So I'll just keep laughing at the ignorance, works for me.

hockeypuck02 · Post by **hockeypuck02** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:44 pm

I usually try and stay out of this recruiting debate but I thought I'd point out that sometimes the biggest "recruiting" tool the private schools have is the inefficiency of the public schools.

Case in point, just over a month ago the Osseo school district decided or was in the process of deciding to close several schools in the district and cut the jobs of over 100+ faculty members. Several parents made it clear that if this were to happen, "their kids would not be attending school in that district next year." Who will benefit most from this, Benilde, Breck and Blake.

I know of at least two or three times in the past ten years that levies/referendums have failed to pass in White Bear Lake. I know several students who said that if it were to have failed again this past November they would be going to other schools this fall. Who benefits from this, Hill, Cretin and STA.

No reasonable parent wants to have their kid sit in a class with 50 other kids, or attend a school with sub-standard facilities that offer less and less extra curricular activities each year because of continued budget cuts. How many times has your local school district had a funding proposal on the ballot recently?

Why the long-winded rant? Because people fail to realize that private schools offer something other than solid athletic programs. Religious education, smaller class sizes, the chance to participate in numerous extra-curriculars, academic rigor.....Do some people choose to go to private schools because of their athletic programs, yes, does it mean they were recruited, absolutely not. I don't think it's suspicious that they often go in 9th grade either. Most private schools don't have elementary or middle schools.

If you're sick of seeing the private schools succeed, then you can start by funding your local school districts.

toivo22 · Post by **toivo22** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:54 am

hockeypuck02 wrote:I usually try and stay out of this recruiting debate but I thought I'd point out that sometimes the biggest "recruiting" tool the private schools have is the inefficiency of the public schools.

Case in point, just over a month ago the Osseo school district decided or was in the process of deciding to close several schools in the district and cut the jobs of over 100+ faculty members. Several parents made it clear that if this were to happen, "their kids would not be attending school in that district next year." Who will benefit most from this, Benilde, Breck and Blake.

I know of at least two or three times in the past ten years that levies/referendums have failed to pass in White Bear Lake. I know several students who said that if it were to have failed again this past November they would be going to other schools this fall. Who benefits from this, Hill, Cretin and STA.

No reasonable parent wants to have their kid sit in a class with 50 other kids, or attend a school with sub-standard facilities that offer less and less extra curricular activities each year because of continued budget cuts. How many times has your local school district had a funding proposal on the ballot recently?

Why the long-winded rant? Because people fail to realize that private schools offer something other than solid athletic programs. Religious education, smaller class sizes, the chance to participate in numerous extra-curriculars, academic rigor.....Do some people choose to go to private schools because of their athletic programs, yes, does it mean they were recruited, absolutely not. I don't think it's suspicious that they often go in 9th grade either. Most private schools don't have elementary or middle schools.

If you're sick of seeing the private schools succeed, then you can start by funding your local school districts.

you keep pulling your kids out of public schools which draws funding away from public schools. If private schools don't recruit how come they can give scholarships?

Pioneerprideguy · Post by **Pioneerprideguy** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:14 am

toivo22 wrote:
hockeypuck02 wrote:I usually try and stay out of this recruiting debate but I thought I'd point out that sometimes the biggest "recruiting" tool the private schools have is the inefficiency of the public schools.

Case in point, just over a month ago the Osseo school district decided or was in the process of deciding to close several schools in the district and cut the jobs of over 100+ faculty members. Several parents made it clear that if this were to happen, "their kids would not be attending school in that district next year." Who will benefit most from this, Benilde, Breck and Blake.

I know of at least two or three times in the past ten years that levies/referendums have failed to pass in White Bear Lake. I know several students who said that if it were to have failed again this past November they would be going to other schools this fall. Who benefits from this, Hill, Cretin and STA.

No reasonable parent wants to have their kid sit in a class with 50 other kids, or attend a school with sub-standard facilities that offer less and less extra curricular activities each year because of continued budget cuts. How many times has your local school district had a funding proposal on the ballot recently?

Why the long-winded rant? Because people fail to realize that private schools offer something other than solid athletic programs. Religious education, smaller class sizes, the chance to participate in numerous extra-curriculars, academic rigor.....Do some people choose to go to private schools because of their athletic programs, yes, does it mean they were recruited, absolutely not. I don't think it's suspicious that they often go in 9th grade either. Most private schools don't have elementary or middle schools.

If you're sick of seeing the private schools succeed, then you can start by funding your local school districts.
you keep pulling your kids out of public schools which draws funding away from public schools. If private schools don't recruit how come they can give scholarships?

It's already been discussed at length...private schools recruit! We recruit students, people with artistic gifts, people of spirituality, and yes, athletes (and many more). We recruit them all. We cherish everyone of them and the talent they bring to our school. We wear uniforms because when we enter the building we are one....nobody better/nobody worse. Our teachers typically make less money than those in public schools, yet they choose to teach in a private school. Our enrollment is small, yet we choose to play against the bigger schools.

So there you go, all you anti-private school folks...private schools recruit. The MSHSL is well aware of it all & are ok with it, as evident that they have never tried to bring actions against private schools. So don't hate the schools, hate the game!

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:06 am

hockeypuck02 wrote:I usually try and stay out of this recruiting debate but I thought I'd point out that sometimes the biggest "recruiting" tool the private schools have is the inefficiency of the public schools.

Sounds like hockeypuck02 is on a Crusade.

Watch out hp02, the Kwanzaa crowd doesn't like to hear that stuff.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:28 am

packerboy wrote:
hockeypuck02 wrote:I usually try and stay out of this recruiting debate but I thought I'd point out that sometimes the biggest "recruiting" tool the private schools have is the inefficiency of the public schools.
Sounds like hockeypuck02 is on a Crusade.

Watch out hp02, the Kwanzaa crowd doesn't like to hear that stuff.

Now I'm a public school guy....but to the above...

It's only because there seems to be no end to the funding that the public schools want.
They want money to show results...it should be, show us positive results from the last money grab, and show us some financial restraint, and good use of our tax dollars, before you go to the well again.
How many assistants to the assistants are required? stop the administrative waste of our money, pay the teachers on performance, also, knock off all the money going to a lot of worthless testing that just shows your underperforming, so that you can say it's because we don't have the money!
Year round school would eliminate a lot of the problems with money, but trust me they threatened it in the Elk River district, until the people said go ahead....then there was a realization that there would no longer be a summer break ...can't have that!

One of my children has gone to a public, and private college...the latter smokes the public in teaching and student performance.
There seems to be a theme that goes with the public (gov. run) sector in education always more $$$$.. enough..... it makes me sick.

Other then that I like public schools

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:54 am

Private schools give NEED BASED financial aid. I got at at St Thomas, as do about 40% of students yearly. They don't say, "hey, you're good at hockey, come here for free" they say, "hey, you got in but cannot afford it, this alumnus is willing to help your child out." Many play athletics, which is because 90% of students participate in extra curricular activities.

Yes, private schools, recruit. As do public schools. Year in and year out I saw billboards for different Mpls schools. They have different magnet programs that advertise for. Recruiting can be a good thing if done for the right reasons.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:12 pm

In the world of academia it is often said "Publish or perish."

In the world of high school athletics its:

Public schools recruit with free tuition and full scholarships for all and, of course, the promise of a complete understanding of Kwanzaa.

Catholic schools offer salvation of the soul and responsible recruitng.

Private schools offer status and prestige in college choices.

Keep America strong with information. Recruit.

pistol · Post by **pistol** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:47 pm

I disagree that more money will make the public schools better... never has worked before... and private schools do so much better with so much less.

Vouchers are the only answer.