MSHL eligibility after drinking

[sn1per]

People make mistakes, especially kids. But the important thing is to make sure that they learn from their mistakes. To me the thought process is quite simple. If you care to be in a sport, don't drink. If you drink/smoke and get caught face the consequences. The rules are too complicated right now. Here's what I would like to see them change to. It's simple, harsh, but reasonable.

FIRST OFFENSE

1A) If first offense is IN-SEASON
The player is suspended for 1/4 of the total games in the regular season, starting the time of the offense, and is NOT allowed to practice with the team until the final week of the suspension. Should the violation occur as to where the penalty would run into the post-season, the player will then be suspended for the remainder of the regular season as well as being ineligible for ALL post-season play. Should the number of games suspended(regular season + postseason) not total 1/4 of the regular season in which the offense occured, the player then would be suspended for the first game of the next season. Player will be allowed to practice in tryouts for the new season, but not participate in any non-intersquad scrimmages.

1B) If first offense is in BETWEEN SEASONS.
The player in question will be suspended for 1/8 of the number of games in the upcoming season. To be served for the first 1/8 of the season. Player will be allowed to practice in tryouts for the new season, but not participate in any non-intersquad scrimmages. Once the first game of the season has been played, the suspended player will no longer be allowed to practice until the last week of the suspension.

The second offense is where is gets a little tricky.

SECOND OFFENSE

2A) If both are IN-SEASON(whether the same season or not).
The player will be suspended for the entirety of the current season(including post-season), and will be suspended for 1/8 of the upcoming season. Player will be allowed to practice in tryouts for the new season, but not participate in any non-intersquad scrimmages. Once the first game of the season has been played, the suspended player will no longer be allowed to practice until the last week of the suspension.

2B) If first offense is IN-SEASON, and second offense is BETWEEN SEASONS
The player will be suspended for 1/2 of the total games in the regular season, to be served for the first 1/2 of the season. Player will be allowed to practice in tryouts for the new season, but not participate in any non-intersquad scrimmages. Once the first game of the season has been played, the suspended player will no longer be allowed to practice until the last week of the suspension.

2C) If first offense is BETWEEN SEASONS, and second offense is IN-SEASON
The player is suspended for 1/2 of the total games in the regular season, starting the time of the offense, and is NOT allowed to practice with the team until the final week of the suspension. Should the violation occur as to where the penalty would run into the post-season, the player will then be suspended for the remainder of the regular season as well as being ineligible for ALL post-season play. Should the number of games suspended(regular season + postseason) not total 1/2 of the regular season in which the offense occured, the player then would be suspended for the first 3 games of the next season. Player will be allowed to practice in tryouts for the new season, but not participate in any non-intersquad scrimmages.

2D) If 1st offense occured between seasons and 2nd offense occured between seasons, but not the same time frame
Refer to 1B for first offense, and refer to 2B.

2E) If 1st offense occured between seasons and 2nd offense occured between seasons, the same time frame
Player will be ineligible for the upcoming season. But will be allowed to participate after sitting out one entire season.
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THIRD OFFENSE
Three strikes your out. Player is inelibigle to participate in any athletics.

[scoreboard33]

I get that their need to be consquences, but I don't see why they need to have a distinct in-season versus between seasons rule. Drinking is drinking. I think the rules are simpler now.

[TheNightman]

It all boils down to RESPECT. The youth of today have none. We live in a time where if you are a good athlete you are above the rules. The kids will be kids attitude is a joke. Substance abuse among our young people is on the rise. The rules need to change with the times. We to need to think about what will help cut down on these offenses to better serve our children and not what better serves the sport they play.

Talk about your all-time biggest over-generalizations [/quote

Let me guess, you're one of those old "Get off my lawn!" guys, those darn kids today and their cell phones.

[StoppatchFairplayHelmets0]

Wow,

Most all of the replies have been from a hockey future perspective. What you might be giving up if you get caught type argument.

What's missing is the fact that once an under aged kid becomes impaired how does he get home? Most of the kids drive. And they drive their friends home too.
It's no longer about eligibility, but weather you live or not after the accident happens, they are endangering not only themselves but also the general public. This is not the same as not putting a quarter in the meter!

The MSHL rules should be stiffer. Perhaps a 1 year suspension.

My high School experience was all about who's house is it at after Saturday's game. Looking back, I am amazed and happy there were no fatalities. We were given way too much rope.

Dean Wermer could not have said it better to Flounder... "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son"

Make the penalty match the crime.

[hockiepuck]

Wow,

Most all of the replies have been from a hockey future perspective. What you might be giving up if you get caught type argument.

What's missing is the fact that once an under aged kid becomes impaired how does he get home? Most of the kids drive. And they drive their friends home too.
It's no longer about eligibility, but weather you live or not after the accident happens, they are endangering not only themselves but also the general public. This is not the same as not putting a quarter in the meter!

The MSHL rules should be stiffer. Perhaps a 1 year suspension.

My high School experience was all about who's house is it at after Saturday's game. Looking back, I am amazed and happy there were no fatalities. We were given way too much rope.

Dean Wermer could not have said it better to Flounder... "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son"

Make the penalty match the crime.

WELL SAID, VERY WELL SAID ! ! ! ! !

[TheNightman]

Wow,

Most all of the replies have been from a hockey future perspective. What you might be giving up if you get caught type argument.

What's missing is the fact that once an under aged kid becomes impaired how does he get home? Most of the kids drive. And they drive their friends home too.
It's no longer about eligibility, but weather you live or not after the accident happens, they are endangering not only themselves but also the general public. This is not the same as not putting a quarter in the meter!

The MSHL rules should be stiffer. Perhaps a 1 year suspension.

My high School experience was all about who's house is it at after Saturday's game. Looking back, I am amazed and happy there were no fatalities. We were given way too much rope.

Dean Wermer could not have said it better to Flounder... "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son"

Make the penalty match the crime.

That would be a fitting penalty IF the kids were caught driving under the influence. From my experience though, most kids will stay at the house they are drinking at for the remainder of the night. I'm not going to say nobody drives drunk, but it definitely doesn't happen that often. Also, learn how to spell whether, it took away a lot of credibility from your argument when you brought weather into the conversation.

[MNHockeyFan]

The MSHL rules should be stiffer. Perhaps a 1 year suspension.

This used to be the penalty, a long time ago. I don't know what led to the change, but more kids seem to taking advantage of the more forgiving sanctions.

[komada77]

Wow,

Most all of the replies have been from a hockey future perspective. What you might be giving up if you get caught type argument.

What's missing is the fact that once an under aged kid becomes impaired how does he get home? Most of the kids drive. And they drive their friends home too.
It's no longer about eligibility, but weather you live or not after the accident happens, they are endangering not only themselves but also the general public. This is not the same as not putting a quarter in the meter!

The MSHL rules should be stiffer. Perhaps a 1 year suspension.

My high School experience was all about who's house is it at after Saturday's game. Looking back, I am amazed and happy there were no fatalities. We were given way too much rope.

Dean Wermer could not have said it better to Flounder... "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son"

Make the penalty match the crime.

WELL SAID, VERY WELL SAID ! ! ! ! !

Woah woah woah no one said anything about drinking and driving. This thread is just about getting caught drinking. Once a kid get behind the wheel drunk, I totally agree there should be VERY stiff penalties.

[HShockeywatcher]

1 sport athletes often become 2 sport athletes or 2 sport become 3 to get around the suspension in "their sport" which I think is bogus. With enough sports out there like swimming, wrestling, CC, track, etc where you simply have to be part of the team many do this to serve their suspension also. Surprised no one's mentioned this.

Do coaches address drinking in the locker room at all?

[mnhockey30]

1 sport athletes often become 2 sport athletes or 2 sport become 3 to get around the suspension in "their sport" which I think is bogus. With enough sports out there like swimming, wrestling, CC, track, etc where you simply have to be part of the team many do this to serve their suspension also. Surprised no one's mentioned this.

Do coaches address drinking in the locker room at all?

Definitely going to have to agree with you here about kids joining track or some other sort of activity to get out of their suspension i know at my school that is what a ton of the kids that got a violation would end up doing.

[hockeyhair15]

1 sport athletes often become 2 sport athletes or 2 sport become 3 to get around the suspension in "their sport" which I think is bogus. With enough sports out there like swimming, wrestling, CC, track, etc where you simply have to be part of the team many do this to serve their suspension also. Surprised no one's mentioned this.

Do coaches address drinking in the locker room at all?

Definitely going to have to agree with you here about kids joining track or some other sort of activity to get out of their suspension i know at my school that is what a ton of the kids that got a violation would end up doing.

yea this is quite common but the mshsl really do anything about it, there really isnt a deffenite way to find out if a kid is say playing soccer to get out of a suspension in hockey, or if he had planned on playing to get in shape before his suspension.

and to answer your question hockeywatcher, yea the coaches say something about it in the locker room, the conversation usualy goes something like this

coach- "alright everyone listen up"
(everyone shuts up and sits down)
coach- "if you drinkor chew you get suspended, so dont do it."

thats about it

[Goldy Gopher]

Do coaches address drinking in the locker room at all?

Where else do you think they're going to talk about it?

[TheNightman]

1 sport athletes often become 2 sport athletes or 2 sport become 3 to get around the suspension in "their sport" which I think is bogus. With enough sports out there like swimming, wrestling, CC, track, etc where you simply have to be part of the team many do this to serve their suspension also. Surprised no one's mentioned this.

Do coaches address drinking in the locker room at all?

They usually say something like stay out of trouble over the weekend, and don't let down yourself and your teammates by making a poor choice.

[hockeyhair15]

or my personal favorite "be smart this weekend boys"
translation "dont knock any broads up, steal anything, commit a breaking and entering, and for god sakes if you are gonna drink dont get caught on saturday night at that cabin party you guys have been talking about all week."

[bardown30]

I know the Edina team(maybe others) has a curfew after school dances and I think on regular weekends and they have to call Giles from their house by that time(Midnight I think) so it makes sure they are not out getting into trouble.

Most hockey players I know that drink, do NOT drink during the season. They simply refrain from doing it during the season as it is a big risk, even in the offseason I suppose.

[HShockeywatcher]

Can anyone speak to the attitude of coaches/players/ads after an athlete getting caught? Are coaches welcoming, do they look down on the kid, get passed it, etc?

[crocket]

I dont know but I sure need another beer :D

[defense]

What does everyone think about coaches and parents who turn the other cheek when a kid gets into trouble with chemicals. You know... kids will be kids.

At the high school I graduated from, 2 or 3 varsity starters were SEEN at a drinking party, not actually consuming, but seen there. The coach overheard this in class, and 2 or three starters sat for awhile, adn the team ended up with about 3 more losses than it should've had. Kids will be kids, but should have to accept responsibility when caught red handed...

[komada77]

I know the Edina team(maybe others) has a curfew after school dances and I think on regular weekends and they have to call Giles from their house by that time(Midnight I think) so it makes sure they are not out getting into trouble.

Most hockey players I know that drink, do NOT drink during the season. They simply refrain from doing it during the season as it is a big risk, even in the offseason I suppose.

I know players at Woodbury have a 10:30 curfew on Friday nights and Coach Bolin doubles the length of the suspension required by the MSHSL for drinking/drugs/tobacco.

[Goldy Gopher]

I know the Edina team(maybe others) has a curfew after school dances and I think on regular weekends and they have to call Giles from their house by that time(Midnight I think) so it makes sure they are not out getting into trouble.

Most hockey players I know that drink, do NOT drink during the season. They simply refrain from doing it during the season as it is a big risk, even in the offseason I suppose.

I know players at Woodbury have a 10:30 curfew on Friday nights and Coach Bolin doubles the length of the suspension required by the MSHSL for drinking/drugs/tobacco.

I think I could handle that one. Just give the coach a call then go out for the night.

[hockeyhair15]

I know the Edina team(maybe others) has a curfew after school dances and I think on regular weekends and they have to call Giles from their house by that time(Midnight I think) so it makes sure they are not out getting into trouble.

Most hockey players I know that drink, do NOT drink during the season. They simply refrain from doing it during the season as it is a big risk, even in the offseason I suppose.

I know players at Woodbury have a 10:30 curfew on Friday nights and Coach Bolin doubles the length of the suspension required by the MSHSL for drinking/drugs/tobacco.

I think I could handle that one. Just give the coach a call then go out for the night.

exactly or they will just say that curfew is 11 and not call expecting the kids to be home and if they're not the coach can say "at least i tried".
the point is if kids want to drink/chew/smoke they are going to find a way to do so and the coach can do very little to stop them

[HShockeywatcher]

defense, don't you think that's a little harsh? That's basically saying that a kid can't make the decision to be around drinking and not drink himself. He's basically got to change his friends possibly. That's over the top in my opinion.

[top totty]

this is to mndadof2 or whatever your name is.

I understand where you get angry when your kid is sent back to jv. And i side with your partly and only a little.

If the kid you gets suspended is clearly better and it is only his 1st offense, even if he drinks alot. He does not deserve to get cut just like that. To some kids its a wake up call and they work harder and end up helping the team more when they come back. If he only got in trouble for it once, i say put him on a tight leash and let him play.

If it is his second or third offense, mainly third, thats where i side with you. If he has three minors then it turns to the coach. It's his decision to cut him, and where i come from they do.

Bottomline, if it is the kids first offense or second (one minor and one tobacco for example) suck it up. The kid is better than yours and even though he screwed up, he deserves to play and shouldnt be thrown out on the streets, where his problem would get worse.

Also, your an adult. Do you think your cool making fun of high school kids? your YES i'll have fries with that shows that your a little baby. You got in an arguement with a 17 year old kid about alcohol and since everybody didnt praise your son and say cut the other kid, you got upset and stooped down to the imaturity of a 12 year old and called high school kids names.

Grow up

[komada77]

I know the Edina team(maybe others) has a curfew after school dances and I think on regular weekends and they have to call Giles from their house by that time(Midnight I think) so it makes sure they are not out getting into trouble.

Most hockey players I know that drink, do NOT drink during the season. They simply refrain from doing it during the season as it is a big risk, even in the offseason I suppose.

I know players at Woodbury have a 10:30 curfew on Friday nights and Coach Bolin doubles the length of the suspension required by the MSHSL for drinking/drugs/tobacco.

I think I could handle that one. Just give the coach a call then go out for the night.

Actually he calls them anytime between 10:30 and midnight. If the kid is asleep he wakes them up to make sure he's home. And yes, he actually does call.

[Papa Bergundy]

What does everyone think about coaches and parents who turn the other cheek when a kid gets into trouble with chemicals. You know... kids will be kids.

At the high school I graduated from, 2 or 3 varsity starters were SEEN at a drinking party, not actually consuming, but seen there. The coach overheard this in class, and 2 or three starters sat for awhile, adn the team ended up with about 3 more losses than it should've had. Kids will be kids, but should have to accept responsibility when caught red handed...

I hope there's cheese on the bologna sandwich. Guilty by association ya... but if they "weren't actually consuming" then your coach should have been pumped his kids were making good choices. Sounds like mnhockeydad was the coach trying to free up a spot for his kid...

But then you say "when caught red handed...". Is this a new point or are you suggesting they were caught? Because I interperted it as they were falsly accused cause there buddies drink.