Minnesota at UND

[UNDlars]

MN75 and UNDlars, just let it go. What would you do if you self proclaim yourself the "State of Hockey" and a school from North Dakota has more Championships then all 4 of your colleges and both of your pro teams combined? Or if you haven't won as many WCHA titles as that "little school from North Dakota?" Or if you haven't had as many players named to the 1st team WCHA conference team? Or if the "State of Hockey" school had a inferior facility, and the goofiest looking uniforms in college hockey--a Rodent with buck teeth smilin carrying a stick?

The answer? Make a stupid claim that, in essence, no one in america can be proud of their team winning because they don't have "90%" of their own players playing on their team. There are maybe three people in Minnesota (who have a little man's syndrome) who think this. I actually feel sorry for Judge. The rest of the Gopher fans can like the fact that they have Minnesota kids playing for them and leave it at that. Judge can't even cheer for the U hockey team most of the time because they don't have a team made up of 90% Minnesotans. You make a good point that the best players to come through Minnesota recently have been from AUSTRIA and Wisconsin, and don't forget North Dakota. How could judge feel proud of his team playing with these "imports?" When you have nothing else to use, you simply stay away from the facts. Judge can't even cheer for any other team at the U given his claims.

Winning is all that matters at this level. Notice how he can't answer the question I posed earlier about winning.

Some people just don't get it and they never will!! Can you imagine the number of Lucia posters he must have in his room?

Alright Gorilla, to talk up UND's program is one thing and I can say we both share a sense of passion around Sioux hockey but to come out and say that Minnesota isn't the State of Hockey is ridiculous. Is there another collegiate team in Nodak? On top of the 5 D1 programs, there are a ton of D3 schools that play hockey within the state. Take a look at the HS and youth programs. Outside of GF, Fargo, and Grafton there is nothing and even those cities that I mentioned don't field the number of competitive teams as the Twin Cities.

I bleed green and will never defend Gopher hockey but when it comes to taking a jab at the culture of hockey within Minnesota, that is where I draw the line and defend the state.

[Judgeandjury]

MN75 and UNDlars, just let it go. What would you do if you self proclaim yourself the "State of Hockey" and a school from North Dakota has more Championships then all 4 of your colleges and both of your pro teams combined? Or if you haven't won as many WCHA titles as that "little school from North Dakota?" Or if you haven't had as many players named to the 1st team WCHA conference team? Or if the "State of Hockey" school had a inferior facility, and the goofiest looking uniforms in college hockey--a Rodent with buck teeth smilin carrying a stick?

The answer? Make a stupid claim that, in essence, no one in america can be proud of their team winning because they don't have "90%" of their own players playing on their team. There are maybe three people in Minnesota (who have a little man's syndrome) who think this. I actually feel sorry for Judge. The rest of the Gopher fans can like the fact that they have Minnesota kids playing for them and leave it at that. Judge can't even cheer for the U hockey team most of the time because they don't have a team made up of 90% Minnesotans. You make a good point that the best players to come through Minnesota recently have been from AUSTRIA and Wisconsin, and don't forget North Dakota. How could judge feel proud of his team playing with these "imports?" When you have nothing else to use, you simply stay away from the facts. Judge can't even cheer for any other team at the U given his claims.

Winning is all that matters at this level. Notice how he can't answer the question I posed earlier about winning.

Some people just don't get it and they never will!! Can you imagine the number of Lucia posters he must have in his room?

Alright Gorilla, to talk up UND's program is one thing and I can say we both share a sense of passion around Sioux hockey but to come out and say that Minnesota isn't the State of Hockey is ridiculous. Is there another collegiate team in Nodak? On top of the 5 D1 programs, there are a ton of D3 schools that play hockey within the state. Take a look at the HS and youth programs. Outside of GF, Fargo, and Grafton there is nothing and even those cities that I mentioned don't field the number of competitive teams as the Twin Cities.

I bleed green and will never defend Gopher hockey but when it comes to taking a jab at the culture of hockey within Minnesota, that is where I draw the line and defend the state.

UNDLars- I never thought I would agree with a UND fan but well said. Gorilla just doesn't get it. Minnesota is the "State of Hockey" and nothing even compares. The closest state to Minnesota is Michigan. They have more collegiate teams but less youth players and less development.
I think UND has a solid program it's just frustrating when people like Gorilla talks up a program that imports players. If that's worth hanging your hat on more to power to you. As previous stated Minnesota takes pride in Minnesota kids win or lose. UNDLars gets it.

[UNDlars]

MN75 and UNDlars, just let it go. What would you do if you self proclaim yourself the "State of Hockey" and a school from North Dakota has more Championships then all 4 of your colleges and both of your pro teams combined? Or if you haven't won as many WCHA titles as that "little school from North Dakota?" Or if you haven't had as many players named to the 1st team WCHA conference team? Or if the "State of Hockey" school had a inferior facility, and the goofiest looking uniforms in college hockey--a Rodent with buck teeth smilin carrying a stick?

The answer? Make a stupid claim that, in essence, no one in america can be proud of their team winning because they don't have "90%" of their own players playing on their team. There are maybe three people in Minnesota (who have a little man's syndrome) who think this. I actually feel sorry for Judge. The rest of the Gopher fans can like the fact that they have Minnesota kids playing for them and leave it at that. Judge can't even cheer for the U hockey team most of the time because they don't have a team made up of 90% Minnesotans. You make a good point that the best players to come through Minnesota recently have been from AUSTRIA and Wisconsin, and don't forget North Dakota. How could judge feel proud of his team playing with these "imports?" When you have nothing else to use, you simply stay away from the facts. Judge can't even cheer for any other team at the U given his claims.

Winning is all that matters at this level. Notice how he can't answer the question I posed earlier about winning.

Some people just don't get it and they never will!! Can you imagine the number of Lucia posters he must have in his room?

Alright Gorilla, to talk up UND's program is one thing and I can say we both share a sense of passion around Sioux hockey but to come out and say that Minnesota isn't the State of Hockey is ridiculous. Is there another collegiate team in Nodak? On top of the 5 D1 programs, there are a ton of D3 schools that play hockey within the state. Take a look at the HS and youth programs. Outside of GF, Fargo, and Grafton there is nothing and even those cities that I mentioned don't field the number of competitive teams as the Twin Cities.

I bleed green and will never defend Gopher hockey but when it comes to taking a jab at the culture of hockey within Minnesota, that is where I draw the line and defend the state.

UNDLars- I never thought I would agree with a UND fan but well said. Gorilla just doesn't get it. Minnesota is the "State of Hockey" and nothing even compares. The closest state to Minnesota is Michigan. They have more collegiate teams but less youth players and less development.
I think UND has a solid program it's just frustrating when people like Gorilla talks up a program that imports players. If that's worth hanging your hat on more to power to you. As previous stated Minnesota takes pride in Minnesota kids win or lose. UNDLars gets it.

As a Minnesotan native and resident, I will say that the Goofs are extremely unique how they build their roster from MN kids and are able to compete. That being said, as a Sioux alum nothing will ever compete or compare to UND hockey!!! We are no different than a good portion of D1 schools when it comes to recruiting out of Canada

[Judgeandjury]

Alright Gorilla, to talk up UND's program is one thing and I can say we both share a sense of passion around Sioux hockey but to come out and say that Minnesota isn't the State of Hockey is ridiculous. Is there another collegiate team in Nodak? On top of the 5 D1 programs, there are a ton of D3 schools that play hockey within the state. Take a look at the HS and youth programs. Outside of GF, Fargo, and Grafton there is nothing and even those cities that I mentioned don't field the number of competitive teams as the Twin Cities.

I bleed green and will never defend Gopher hockey but when it comes to taking a jab at the culture of hockey within Minnesota, that is where I draw the line and defend the state.

UNDLars- I never thought I would agree with a UND fan but well said. Gorilla just doesn't get it. Minnesota is the "State of Hockey" and nothing even compares. The closest state to Minnesota is Michigan. They have more collegiate teams but less youth players and less development.
I think UND has a solid program it's just frustrating when people like Gorilla talks up a program that imports players. If that's worth hanging your hat on more to power to you. As previous stated Minnesota takes pride in Minnesota kids win or lose. UNDLars gets it.

As a Minnesotan native and resident, I will say that the Goofs are extremely unique how they build their roster from MN kids and are able to compete. That being said, as a Sioux alum nothing will ever compete or compare to UND hockey!!! We are no different than a good portion of D1 schools when it comes to recruiting out of Canada

True! UND does a great job with their players each and every year. It's nice to finally meet a UND fan that makes logical sense.

Gorilla- You could learn a lot from UNDLars.

[Judgeandjury]

Sioux Fans- Who do you consider your main rival? One of my buddies for some reason thinks Denver and CC are bigger rivals than Minnesota.

I say No way! Minnesota and UND are border states with both solid programs each and every year. You can say that Denver and CC give UND good games but to say they're both bigger rivals than Minnesota is flat out wrong.

I feel the problem with Minnesota is the fact that SCSU, UMD, Minnesota state, Wisconsin and UND are all big rivals. These teams seem to play a little harder when they play Minnesota. The biggest reasons are the Gopher rejects that didn't get a chance to play for their dream team. When they get a chance to play Minnesota they seem to play a little harder than usual.

[gorilla1]

Now you all see what is wrong with fans like Judge--everyone plays the Gophers harder and EVERYONE is their rivals. They always have a target on their backs. Yes, that is reserved for the team that hasn't won as many championships, WCHA titles, have as many all WCHA players, and they like. Get a grip.

Judge, can Michigan fans be as proud of their 17 players on their Michigan team and 17 players on their Michigan State team--or is this not enough in your goofy world? I'd like to know since I did go to a Michigan school--can I understand the pride the way only you and biscuit can--or are their not enough players on their rosters to make me proud. Is that unique, or does Minnesota corner the market?

UNDlars and Judge look back at my posts and you will see I am talking about college and pro level teams. Is this debate about how much better 4 D1 (not 5) hockey programs in Minnesota is better then the SIX D1 programs in Michigan, together with their COMBINED 19 championships versus 5 for the state of Minnesota? Or the fact that Massachusetts, Colorado, Wisconsin and North Dakota have all won more titles? Or the fact that Denver, UND, Michigan, and Wisconsin have all won more titles? Don't even start that Minnesota is the state of hockey at the college level. Further, don't even start that Minnesota is the state of hockey at the pro level. Have you ever heard of a team called the Red Wings?

In the end, all that matters is championships--in every sport including hockey. Judge, two things, first would you finally answer the question whether you would rather have 10 Minnesota kids on your team and win a championship or just have a team with all Minnesota kids? If you don't answer, I understand, your silence says it all.

The second thing is, how is Holy Cross doing this year?

[Judgeandjury]

Now you all see what is wrong with fans like Judge--everyone plays the Gophers harder and EVERYONE is their rivals. They always have a target on their backs. Yes, that is reserved for the team that hasn't won as many championships, WCHA titles, have as many all WCHA players, and they like. Get a grip.

Judge, can Michigan fans be as proud of their 17 players on their Michigan team and 17 players on their Michigan State team--or is this not enough in your goofy world? I'd like to know since I did go to a Michigan school--can I understand the pride the way only you and biscuit can--or are their not enough players on their rosters to make me proud. Is that unique, or does Minnesota corner the market?

UNDlars and Judge look back at my posts and you will see I am talking about college and pro level teams. Is this debate about how much better 4 D1 (not 5) hockey programs in Minnesota is better then the SIX D1 programs in Michigan, together with their COMBINED 19 championships versus 5 for the state of Minnesota? Or the fact that Massachusetts, Colorado, Wisconsin and North Dakota have all won more titles? Or the fact that Denver, UND, Michigan, and Wisconsin have all won more titles? Don't even start that Minnesota is the state of hockey at the college level. Further, don't even start that Minnesota is the state of hockey at the pro level. Have you ever heard of a team called the Red Wings?

In the end, all that matters is championships--in every sport including hockey. Judge, two things, first would you finally answer the question whether you would rather have 10 Minnesota kids on your team and win a championship or just have a team with all Minnesota kids? If you don't answer, I understand, your silence says it all.

The second thing is, how is Holy Cross doing this year?

I think Holy Cross is struggling like most years. By the tone of your email I see you have Minnesota hockey envy.

It's very evident that you're not from Minnesota but most likely moved here from the flat land. (ND) It must be hard to be a UND fan knowing that your state cannot produce enough youth talent to field even one DI team. Just think how many DI players come from Minnesota. Look at how many DI schools we have in Minnesota. Like I tell people all the time. I'm proud that Minnesota wins with majority of Minnesota kids each and every year.
I really don't want to sit on here and argue about childish things.

Gorilla- I'm not sure what you're so mad about? UND has a solid program. UND imports players in order to win. Minnesota has a solid program and we can recruit from home to win. There's really no difference bewtween the two programs but if you want to argue your point that UND is great then more power to you. Go ahead and tell yourself that UND is the best.

[gorilla1]

Nice try Judge. I grew up in Minnesota. Kids even play hockey here, and they love it. I have branched out and attended UND and Michigan during my school days. So I have experienced much of it. I know that the only thing that you can say is you are proud that the U kids are from Minnesota. We have already covered this. Instead of trying to compare programs--you cannot so you say Minnesota has Minnesota kids--yea! Yo already answered my question about winning, and it is just as I suspected. Winning at this level is more important then where the kids are from. Thank you Judge for restoring my faith in you! Finally, i am not mad--I don't have to tell myself that UND is better either--the championships prove that point already!

[gorilla1]

Oh by the way Judge, don't answer my question about Michigan either, I would hate for that bubble to be burst on you as well :lol:

[MNHockey75]

Sioux Fans- Who do you consider your main rival? One of my buddies for some reason thinks Denver and CC are bigger rivals than Minnesota.

I say No way! Minnesota and UND are border states with both solid programs each and every year. You can say that Denver and CC give UND good games but to say they're both bigger rivals than Minnesota is flat out wrong.

I feel the problem with Minnesota is the fact that SCSU, UMD, Minnesota state, Wisconsin and UND are all big rivals. These teams seem to play a little harder when they play Minnesota. The biggest reasons are the Gopher rejects that didn't get a chance to play for their dream team. When they get a chance to play Minnesota they seem to play a little harder than usual.

1. Minnesota
2. Wisconsin
3. St. Cloud State

Denver, CC, Bemidji, and UMD are close.

I've been going to Sioux games since I was a little kid and I've never been to anything quite like a Gophers/Sioux game. An unreal atmosphere, no matter what the outcome.

[biscuit in the basket]

Now you all see what is wrong with fans like Judge--everyone plays the Gophers harder and EVERYONE is their rivals. They always have a target on their backs. Yes, that is reserved for the team that hasn't won as many championships, WCHA titles, have as many all WCHA players, and they like. Get a grip.

Judge, can Michigan fans be as proud of their 17 players on their Michigan team and 17 players on their Michigan State team--or is this not enough in your goofy world? I'd like to know since I did go to a Michigan school--can I understand the pride the way only you and biscuit can--or are their not enough players on their rosters to make me proud. Is that unique, or does Minnesota corner the market?

UNDlars and Judge look back at my posts and you will see I am talking about college and pro level teams. Is this debate about how much better 4 D1 (not 5) hockey programs in Minnesota is better then the SIX D1 programs in Michigan, together with their COMBINED 19 championships versus 5 for the state of Minnesota? Or the fact that Massachusetts, Colorado, Wisconsin and North Dakota have all won more titles? Or the fact that Denver, UND, Michigan, and Wisconsin have all won more titles? Don't even start that Minnesota is the state of hockey at the college level. Further, don't even start that Minnesota is the state of hockey at the pro level. Have you ever heard of a team called the Red Wings?

In the end, all that matters is championships--in every sport including hockey. Judge, two things, first would you finally answer the question whether you would rather have 10 Minnesota kids on your team and win a championship or just have a team with all Minnesota kids? If you don't answer, I understand, your silence says it all.

The second thing is, how is Holy Cross doing this year?

gorilla1- What do you not understand about the word HOCKEY? Minnesota is the State of Hockey. The word hockey covers every level of hockey that is what sets MN apart from other states. Theres is more passion from the youth level to the pros then any other state.
Detroits a great hockey CITY but we're talking about the STATE of hockey.
And I would also like to know why you haven't responded to any of my earlier comments I understand if you have nothing to say just let me know that.

P.S.- I hope by using capital letters for some of my writing it will help you to understand what I am trying to say.

[UNDlars]

Sioux Fans- Who do you consider your main rival? One of my buddies for some reason thinks Denver and CC are bigger rivals than Minnesota.

I say No way! Minnesota and UND are border states with both solid programs each and every year. You can say that Denver and CC give UND good games but to say they're both bigger rivals than Minnesota is flat out wrong.

I feel the problem with Minnesota is the fact that SCSU, UMD, Minnesota state, Wisconsin and UND are all big rivals. These teams seem to play a little harder when they play Minnesota. The biggest reasons are the Gopher rejects that didn't get a chance to play for their dream team. When they get a chance to play Minnesota they seem to play a little harder than usual.

Minnesota is by far the biggest rival for UND. Sconny is a clear second then after that I guess it just depends on what type of year the other team is having (SCSU, UMD, MSU). I think the DU rivalry is starting to creep up there but I don't think anything comes close to the goofs and sconny. I think we are also starting to develop a hatred towards BC.

[gorilla1]

Sorry Biscuit, I guess I don't know what comments you are talking about. I'll try and answer them if you let me know what I have not answered.

By the way, have you ever lived in the State of Michigan? Do you have a clue about how they feel about hockey? Do you know that Michigan actually has MORE fans then Minnesota? It's twice the size. Hockey is the Fourth, that's right, fourth most popular sport in THIS STATE. The Red Wings are loved throughout the state of Michigan, not just in the city of Detroit. Actually, your ignorance of this topic shows in your last post because the CITY of Detroit has a difficult time with hockey. It is the surrounding areas as well as the outstate areas that support the Red Wings, and the 6 collegiate D1 programs. Can you answer me this question, if Minnesota is so great at developing kids and all they have is Minnesota kids on their team, why don't they win more? Why are there more programs out there winning more championships? And don't give me this crap that they lose too many kids to the pros, that is a ridiculous argument. All the good programs lose good kids. You are confusing youth hockey with collegiate and pro level hockey. There is a HUGE difference between the two. As I have said many times before, Minnesota does a great job at the youth level, but that is where it ends. Be proud of the Gophers, but Judges' and your attempts to belittle other programs because they "import players" when ALL of your colleges here in Minnesota do--this year up to 41%, is simply ridiculous. Be proud of your self-proclaimation--because outside of a minority of people in Minnesota, no one really cares.

Finally, since STATE covers the entire state of hockey, you must include ALL the programs. How does Judge reconcile the fact that St. Cloud has 6 Canadians and 1 from Denmark (plus others) on their team, a full 41% of their team being imports! Or Duluth having 33% of its players (7 canadians) as "imports!" According to Judge, he would be embarrassed. According to Judge "if those teams want to hang their hats on imports." So if the STATE of Hockey encompasses the whole state, what would you say about those programs Judge? Is 41% and 33% ok? You were at 90%. Is the new bar going to be 41% so as not to throw it out of wack for you?

For the record, I could care less, it just points out how silly it is to tie in players being "imported" with how people feel about their teams. I mean after all, even in the State of Hockey, their college teams uses alot of imports.

[gorilla1]

I do have a question as to why, in the State of Hockey, the Gophers don't have better actual attendance at their games? The final 5 last year had a s many people at the UND CC game as the Gopher Denver game--not a full arena. Or the Dodge Holiday Classic? Or many of the games the U plays at home where the seats aren't filled? Why is that? Actions speak louder then words.

[Judgeandjury]

Gorilla,
You can do better than that. To put it in perspective so even a North Dakotian will understand.

Michigan has 10 million people and Minnesota has 5 Million people. I'll let you do the math. One interesting fact is Minnesota has half the people than Michigan but yet we have more boys playing youth hockey and we blow every state away with the amount of girls playing.

Detroit can be Hockey town USA (By the way this was stolen from Saint Paul)
Minnesota can be the "State of Hockey"
North Dakota can be "Import State of Hockey"

[gorilla1]

Wow, pretty sad response Judge, pretty sad. I don't even know how I would think of something to come back with after that zinger.

[Judgeandjury]

Wow, pretty sad response Judge, pretty sad. I don't even know how I would think of something to come back with after that zinger.

Of course not. You're a UND fan.

[UNDlars]

Wow, pretty sad response Judge, pretty sad. I don't even know how I would think of something to come back with after that zinger.

Of course not. You're a UND fan.

HEY NOW!!!

[MNHockey75]

Give it a rest guys. There's no end to this argument. How about some updated WCHA standings....

1. Denver - 18 GP - 24 Points
2. North Dakota - 18 - 23
3. Wisconsin - 18 - 22
4. Minnesota - 16 - 21
5. Colorado College - 20 - 21
6. Minnesota-Duluth - 18 - 19
7. St. Cloud State - 18 - 17
8. Minnesota State - 20 - 16
9. Alaska-Anchorage - 18 - 14
10. Michigan Tech - 20 - 7

Amazingly UMD is projected to be in the national tourney. Along with Minnesota and Denver, who are a combined 0-3-1 against UND. I still think 4 teams can get in, but we'll see.

[gorilla1]

Given the history of the selction committee, there is no way they will include UMD over UND or Wisconsin. First, take a look at UMD's schedule (and their national ranking), and second given the new criteria the selection committee is now supposed to use this year (which is related to travel costs=money), both UND and/or Wisconsin will be much bigger draws to the regionals here in St. Paul then UMD. It is my understanding that once the number 1 seeds are placed, the remaining regionals will be filled based on location of the schools (closest to the regional site goes to that region) regardless of rankings. Of course this assumes the teams keep winning like they are currently going.

[Judgeandjury]

Given the history of the selction committee, there is no way they will include UMD over UND or Wisconsin. First, take a look at UMD's schedule (and their national ranking), and second given the new criteria the selection committee is now supposed to use this year (which is related to travel costs=money), both UND and/or Wisconsin will be much bigger draws to the regionals here in St. Paul then UMD. It is my understanding that once the number 1 seeds are placed, the remaining regionals will be filled based on location of the schools (closest to the regional site goes to that region) regardless of rankings. Of course this assumes the teams keep winning like they are currently going.

Gorilla- UND is having their annual recruiting party to introduce their new imported players. This will be held in the Hitler center conference room.

I heard UND has another great crop of Canadians coming in with no North Dakota players. You must be proud of North Dakota

[biscuit in the basket]

Given the history of the selction committee, there is no way they will include UMD over UND or Wisconsin. First, take a look at UMD's schedule (and their national ranking), and second given the new criteria the selection committee is now supposed to use this year (which is related to travel costs=money), both UND and/or Wisconsin will be much bigger draws to the regionals here in St. Paul then UMD. It is my understanding that once the number 1 seeds are placed, the remaining regionals will be filled based on location of the schools (closest to the regional site goes to that region) regardless of rankings. Of course this assumes the teams keep winning like they are currently going.

Gorilla- UND is having their annual recruiting party to introduce their new imported players. This will be held in the Hitler center conference room.

I heard UND has another great crop of Canadians coming in with no North Dakota players. You must be proud of North Dakota

I know I wouldn't be.

[Judgeandjury]

All in all UND has a solid program both programs have a lot to be proud of this is just in good fun.

Go Gophers!

[gorilla1]

Sorry Judge and Biscuit. When you got no facts, just keep talkin nonsense. You guys came to a gun fight with a butter knife. You guys are playing checkers and I am playing chess.

[biscuit in the basket]

Sorry Judge and Biscuit. When you got no facts, just keep talkin nonsense. You guys came to a gun fight with a butter knife. You guys are playing checkers and I am playing chess.

No I realized this conversation was going nowhere so I was the bigger man and just stopped talking to you. But you keep insisting on bringing me back into it.