Providence Academy

Puckguy · Post by **Puckguy** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:03 pm

Any thoughts on the Providence Academy program? Will this school rise to the level of HM and AHA, or be a moderate level private program. New coach, and a new ice arena being added to Plymouth, signal a major investment to me.

Jesrober · Post by **Jesrober** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:08 pm

Great another private school thats going to be recruiting, thats all we need. Why can't kids just play for their cities. What happend to School and City pride. I guess they don't have pride anymore. You Don't see any Moorhead players leaving do you? Northern hockey is where its all at.

2AhockeyOldTimer · Post by **2AhockeyOldTimer** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:14 pm

first, I'd like to ask you if you would like a tissue for all your tears. Then, Duluth Marshall recruits from all across northeastMN. So northern pride, maybe northwestern pride, which im sure you were referring too. But honestly, quit whining about private school recruiting...its booooooooring.

powerplay009 · Post by **powerplay009** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:58 pm

well 2aoldtimer or wahtever you need to wake up becuase it is ruining highschool hockey it would be soo much better if players were playing for there home town teams playing with kids this grew up with Private schools suck!!!!1

2AhockeyOldTimer · Post by **2AhockeyOldTimer** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:21 pm

I'm glad everyone knows so much about private schools, I grew up with every kid on my private school team.

puckiNnet19 · Post by **puckiNnet19** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:27 pm

i grew up with all the same kids that i play with now. i went to school with all of them and now i play hockey with them too. it all works out good

Grunt24 · Post by **Grunt24** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:52 am

I agree private schools do wreck high school hockey. You don't need to recriut kids when they are still in high school. They are always dominate powerhouses to. It reminds me of NCAA Football where you always have these powerhouse teams play these little teams that can't give them the good competition. So I say just play for your hometown and have some pride in it to

Pucknutz69 · Post by **Pucknutz69** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:55 am

What if you live in an area where the youth hockey is going no where but down and the high school sucks? Not everyone can live in Moorhead or Elk River or White Bear. As the parent of future Private school recruits I like the idea of a challenging education and a higher level of hockey. Just think Who would be a challenge for the Spud, Cent and the Elks if their were no Private schools from the cities to pool our talent together to battle the big bad teams from the North?

2AhockeyOldTimer · Post by **2AhockeyOldTimer** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:00 pm

thats a great point. Too bad nobody understands any of this. People just don't understand anything about private schools, except for the fact that they dominate class A hockey. Should some move up to AA? yes. Should all? no.

Jesrober · Post by **Jesrober** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:19 pm

I understand the fact that not everyone can live in Moorhead and why we need private schools, but it doesn't really make sense. Most of the suburbs are at least twice the size of Moorhead. So why can they not produce more than a few quality players, who will end up leaving to play for a better school? I would have to say most private schools should be moved up to AA though. It doesn't really seem fair to A teams considering how small the towns are. Not many teams in class A seem to be able to keep up with the private schools. The class A tournament seemed quite lopsided at times.

2AhockeyOldTimer · Post by **2AhockeyOldTimer** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:21 pm

SCC, a private school, lost to Hibbing, a public school, in the state tournement. It was a lopsided loss as well. I only think that 2 or three private schools need to be moved to AA.

Brett11 · Post by **Brett11** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:03 am

Public Schools recruit more than any of the private schools. And they do it in many sports other than hockey. This is a fact! Quit your whining!

Penalty Shot · Post by **Penalty Shot** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:01 am

I continue to be amazed at the charges and negative responses to recruiting. If people from a school whether private or public want to recruit they can easily get past the MSHSL rules. I believe we have much larger issues to tackle and address in order to keep high school hockey and competitiveness healthy. One of the main problems facing youth and high school hockey is how do you promote and expose the game to as many kids as possible without sacrificing your elite players. If you look at some of the top programs there almost appears to be a continued cycle of striving to get to the top, once you get there the foundation begins to crumble because alot of players of "influencial" types of parents are not good enough to be substantial contributers and thus the "influential" parents are willing to tear down and sacrifice the entire program for their own agendas. This comes at a very expensive price: the program. This model I believe subjects and promotes the elite players to recruitment and movement. Did Henry Boucha get more ice time then the 15th player on Warroads team? Henry never left the ice! Do you think his teammates minded? Does Ballard get more ice time than other Gopher defenseman? In successful programs more often then not the top players get substantially more ice time than others. What makes hockey differnt than basketball? Basketball has 12 players on the team, 5 starters, 3 guys off the bench, dont all the other players think they should play? Start? How about high school football, 70 guys on the team 22 starters, Dont all the top athletes want to be the starting quarterback? Run the ball? Dont the backups think they should start? I dont get all the negativity that is focused on hockey when these situations are part of every sport and every team. My point being that when the elite hockey player and his or her parents are subjected to much more second guessing and criticism only because of the skill leval of the athelete it promotes the athletes and his or her parents to listen to or promote "recruiting" options for their child and others who they may surround themselves with. These situations exist and are promoted by parents in programs where equality may be more important then development opportunities, thus pushing some of your top athletes to Shattuck, Breck, the new Princeton school, NDTP, and others. Let the players play Let the coaches coach As far as recruiting: I only wish that the people doing the recruiting use class and sportsmanship. dont belittle the programs that have developed and produced the players! Dont bad mouth other high school programs to benefit your own. Edited by: <A HREF=http://b9.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserPub ... hs>Penalty Shot</A> at: 4/27/04 11:04 am

Puckguy · Post by **Puckguy** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:45 pm

I see where Providence announced their football coach yesterday. Look for Hal Tearse, the Wayzata bantam coach, to be named their hockey coach by the end of the week. Question is, will there be an immediate draw from the Wayzata program?

Eddie Shore · Post by **Eddie Shore** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:54 pm

I think there will be an impact to Wayzata's program, although not to the same extent that Trebil going to AHA had on Bloomington Jefferson's program. If Providence is able to field a competitive program, Wayzata, 'Tonka, Orono and others may feel the impact in the near future.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:09 pm

The statement made here by more than one poster that"private schools ruin high school hockey" has to be the most ridiculous things I have read on this board. Hill Murray for decades has added a lot to high school hockey. Ask the teams that have had the privilege to play them over the years. Would you rather all of those good players from HM were scattered between Tartan, Woodbury, Sibley, Johnson, Harding and others where there would be no impact at all on the quality of play. Holy Angels, Breck and many others have provided opportunities for many kids to play and compete. These institutions and others have added to the class and competitivness of hockey in a big way. The private school phobics allways focus on the 1 or 2 kids that, for example, a Jefferson "loses" but forget about the fact that AHA is a excellent addition to big time high school hockey and Jefferson still has an excellent team and program. Private schools contribute in a big way to the overall quality of MN high school hockey.

sloppyice · Post by **sloppyice** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 3:42 pm

I remember seeing a post earlier in the year that mentioned there were 29 skaters (sophmores, juniors, seniors) last year that went through the Edina youth system that were playing at a varsity level somewhere else than Edina. Add the Varisty, JV and Junior Gold A program and you have another 50 skaters that could skate at the varsity level somewhere in the state. What is wrong with opportunity! Let the kids go where they want and for the reasons they want: whether it be academics, a better school fit or the chance to play hockey or the belief they can be seen. There are many good hockey players in the state. Just not enough programs, good coaches or realistic parents.

oldschool · Post by **oldschool** » Fri May 07, 2004 11:49 am

I'm in the thought that private schools are not good at all, I don't like what they do, but there has to be another option..........the thing of it is that a school having a team of any kind is all about the school. the kids who go there go for the school and the school happens to have hockey......it is now changing to going ot a team for better exposure,a nd, oh yah, they got a school too.....it doesn't help anything that the people within that program recruit....it is all wrong in the purest sense of sport. The sad fact is that this is what it is so deal, the mshsl is centered around the TC area and the thing that makes the TC so great is schools like this.....besides, tom who plays at St. Thomas, and lives in Maplewood can rub shoulders whith the big wigs more than john's dad who lives in Park Rapids...........as far as public schools recruiting more in than Privates, BS dude. you wouldn't have a team if there wasn't recruiting and yuou know it. This school will compete in a sport in every season next year, any bets????/ don't tell me that kdis from all over the TC will go there jsut to start something up...................

2ahockeydude · Post by **2ahockeydude** » Fri May 07, 2004 3:27 pm

If there was no open enrollment available, then I would tend to agree that the private schools are an issue, but I know of more movement within public schools for reasons of sports than private schools. Many of the kids going to private schools would go there anyway. Even in the little areas in central MN, it happens a TON. Until open enrollment is stopped, you can't complain about the private schools and deny that the public schools are just as guilty.. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/wink.gif ALT=";)">

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon May 10, 2004 12:37 pm

Maybe we should leave a little room for the possibilty that, whether private or public, kids going elsewhere for athletic reasons isnt a problem. Maybe its a good thing. As I have posted before, would it be better if the kids from WBL, Woodbury, and the East side of St Paul "stayed put" instead of going to HM. Would having kids who really want to play a highly competitve brand of hockey stay at Harding be good thing for hockey? Maybe there is just a consolidation going on that is normal. If you live in Inver Grove , should you be forced to go to Simley instead of SSP because the guys on the minnhock site think thats the way it should be? Sure, some schools take a competitive hit but others gain. What do we care so long as kids are getting a good experience? Jefersons loss is AHA's gain. Hardings loss is HM or Cretins gain. Simleys loss is SSPs gain. Maybe there is no loss at all and a net gain to hockey.

broncofan19 · Post by **broncofan19** » Mon May 10, 2004 2:57 pm

I say open enrollment is fine if it's only for education. If they play a sport and trasfer, then they should sit out a year. What's so hard about that? Education should come first.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon May 10, 2004 3:45 pm

Education comes first for the vast majority of kids playing high school sports. They arent going to schools that dont have strong academic reputations. Just because they attend a school outside of their district or a private or Catholic school for sports doesnt mean they are sacrificing any educational goals. But your suggestion is probably in line with what the legislature had in mind when open enrollment was passed.

Oldpuckdefender · Post by **Oldpuckdefender** » Mon May 10, 2004 8:29 pm

The State High School League is looking at leveling the playing field for public schools in the fall of 2006. Public school enrollments include students that can't compete for a variety of reasons, grades, physical handicaps and other special need. The % of students at private schools that are able to participate is much higher for a number of reasons, parents are able to afford a better opportunity, they may not have some type of disability or special need for learning, private students have better grades over all than some public school students. The High School League is looking at a proposal that says for every public school student, the private school student will count as 1.3 for enrollment purposes in activitires. This would allow a leveling of the playing field as far as school size for public schools and will increase the number of AA Private schools. How many? I don't know but it has been talked about at different conference meetings around the state. I think it is an interesting idea. A few other states are using these same guidlines. Everyone has an opportunity in this state and country to make decisions about their education. We would all fight to the death to defend that right. Private schools are a wonderfull option. But if private schools couldn't recruit students where would they get their students from? Our Public Education system is being pushed to the limits financially and otherwise. If our public school system is not successfull, may God help us all in the future.

blackeye · Post by **blackeye** » Tue May 11, 2004 7:12 am

OPD That's ineresting, hadn't heard that proposal. Your comments on education and the different options were right on point. So often this discussion gets so off track to where anyone that even wants to discuss it is called so many different names. Great post. Anyone out there have the time to run some enrollment figures through the 1.3 student factor and give us an idea who might have to move up?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue May 11, 2004 8:16 am

I have critizied the current class assignment system for hockey because it is just based on numbers. Numbers and success of program dont always correlate, private and public. Now, they propose that we stay with our precious numbers but just play a round with them a little bit. So, we leave Warroad, SLP (beat Edina twice) and Orono in class A but take schools like Breck, BSM etc out and put them in AA. Makes sense.

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