LPH Rankings-AA

[D5Dreamer]

Clueless....where is Bemidji in your top 20?

[hockeynut99]

Hey cluelessinminnesota,

Edina tied Shakopee this week. Their record is 4-0-1, and as a result will drop to 4th, in my estimation.

Top five will be:

1. Eden Prairie
2. Holy Angels
3. Cretin DH
4. Edina
5. Roseville

[elliott70]

1. AHA
2. Eden Prairie
3. Roseville
4. Cretin
5. Edina
6. Benilde
7. Bemidji
8. Cloquet
9. Eagan
10. Hopkins
11. Moorhead
12. Burnsville
13. Wayzata
14. Centennial
15. White Bear Lake
16. Armstrong
17. Blaine
18. Grand Rapids
19. Coon Rapids
20. Anoka

[ghshockeyfan]

Too few games for this to have meaning. Seeing Eden Prairie at #8 is evidence of that.

agreed - but I should add, the meaning it has is accurate based on the games that have been played, but when each team gets more games in the results to date will be a more accurate reflection of the true strength of any team and the MSHSL teams on the whole.

[offsides]

At this point in time, no team should be ranked ahead of EP in anyone's list (I'm not talking about the computer system, it's meaningless this early). They've earned it and until another team shows they can be beaten ...

Roseville, Eagan, and probably AHA in the Kaposia will get their chances in the next few weeks, but until/unless someone knocks them off ...

This rant is based soley on logic and nothing else.

[xk1]

PIONEER PRESS METRO RANKINGS

1. Eden Prairie (2-0)
2. Holy Angels (4-0)
3. Cretin-Derham Hall (4-0)
4. Richfield (4-0)
5. Edina (5-0) <my edit, they are actually 4-0-1>
6. Spring Lake Park (4-0)
7. Roseville (3-1)
8. Robbinsdale Armstrong (4-0)
9. Eagan (4-1)
10. Hastings (3-0)

[SEhockeyDAD]

Its still pretty early to make some calls, but here's fodder to consider.

Hopkins 1 Eastview 3
Hopkins 2 Maple Grove 4
Slow start for Hopkins. KRACH has them pretty low, probably due to their loss to Eastview who lost to Mayo, as well as a loss to MG who's lost three games including one to Moundsview. They have beaten Eagan and WBL, though.

Maple Grove 2 Coon Rapids 1
MG deserves consideration because their 2 wins are over Hopkins and Coon Rapids. Their losses are to CEC, Blaine and their first game of the year to Moundsview/

If you rank Armstrong, maybe Hastings should be, too. Their wins over Sibley, the Blades and Woodbury are likely as significant and Armstrong's wins (Rogers/Zimm., Mound/Westonka, Park, Apple Valley.)

In general, there could be a lot of juggling teams, particularly from #10 on down.

[hockeynut99]

PIONEER PRESS METRO RANKINGS

1. Eden Prairie (2-0)
2. Holy Angels (4-0)
3. Cretin-Derham Hall (4-0)
4. Richfield (4-0)
5. Edina (5-0) <my edit, they are actually 4-0-1>
6. Spring Lake Park (4-0)
7. Roseville (3-1)
8. Robbinsdale Armstrong (4-0)
9. Eagan (4-1)
10. Hastings (3-0)

Richfield? RICHFIELD??!! That must be a misprint. They haven't played anyone yet. Their only seemingly decent opponent was New Prague whose record is 1-3. Somebody at the Pioneer Press must have a kid on that team.

[xk1]

Spring Lake Park and Armstong are a stretch as well. Armstrong should return to reality tonight vs Edina. SLP may keep winning as they have a weak schedule except for BSM and a game against Centennial.

[hockeywise]

Its still pretty early to make some calls, but here's fodder to consider.

Hopkins 1 Eastview 3
Hopkins 2 Maple Grove 4
Slow start for Hopkins. KRACH has them pretty low, probably due to their loss to Eastview who lost to Mayo, as well as a loss to MG who's lost three games including one to Moundsview. They have beaten Eagan and WBL, though.

Maple Grove 2 Coon Rapids 1
MG deserves consideration because their 2 wins are over Hopkins and Coon Rapids. Their losses are to CEC, Blaine and their first game of the year to Moundsview/

If you rank Armstrong, maybe Hastings should be, too. Their wins over Sibley, the Blades and Woodbury are likely as significant and Armstrong's wins (Rogers/Zimm., Mound/Westonka, Park, Apple Valley.)

In general, there could be a lot of juggling teams, particularly from #10 on down.

The way I see it Armstrong has to play Edina today so that will give us some insight how good Armstrong is. And then we have Hopkins playing Wayzata and that will tell us how good Hopkins is. Wayzata just beat a very good Rosville team.
As far as Spring lake park being ranked, Pioneer Press should wait until they play BSM then say if they should be ranked.
And with Maple Grove they are 2-3 so it's hard to put them anywhere right now. Maybe 18-19 or 20...

[hockeynut99]

By the way...where is Hill-Murray in all of the rankings?

They've beaten Stillwater, tied Wayzata and lost a close one to White Bear Lake. Surely they deserve some top 20 consideration, unless those three teams aren't very good. Any thoughts out there?

[hockeywise]

By the way...where is Hill-Murray in all of the rankings?

They've beaten Stillwater, tied Wayzata and lost a close one to White Bear Lake. Surely they deserve some top 20 consideration, unless those three teams aren't very good. Any thoughts out there?

Give it time they will be in the mix I know that....It's early with this ranking stuff. But what I have seen they will be in the mix.. If it was me I would have them ranked 10 right now....

[hockeywise]

1. AHA
2. Eden Prairie
3. Roseville
4. Cretin
5. Edina
6. Benilde
7. Bemidji
8. Cloquet
9. Eagan
10. Hopkins
11. Moorhead
12. Burnsville
13. Wayzata
14. Centennial
15. White Bear Lake
16. Armstrong
17. Blaine
18. Grand Rapids
19. Coon Rapids
20. Anoka

Edina in front of Roseville and Cretin...

Go Green

[elliott70]

hwise
Edina in #3.
Could be.
Its early and I do not see a lot of metro teams until Jan.

But my listing is just my surmise after studying what information I can gather on the net and at games and pre-season scrimmages.

[ghshockeyfan]

For the same reason (lack of games) that the computer is not "right" in our eyes, so too are our rankings as we're basing them on what we "know" of teams and not what they've accomplished on the ice.

Bottom line, rankings mean nothing - but are fun to debate.

Also, computer wise, what's going on is that in some cases weaker teams are beating up on other weaker teams that have beat up on other weaker teams. Similarly, stronger teams are beating up on other stronger teams, etc... When we get into Conf. play and stronger teams are forced to play weaker teams, then the computer rankings will all fall into a logical place. Until we see this crossover for MANY teams, we won't be able to trust the computer.

Similarly, the lack of weak/strong crossover play may be skewing our interpretation of the top teams. This was a HUGE issue that I had a year ago when I had a great Strength-of-Schedule yet lost a lot of those games (even though many were close score wise).

If you lose all your games against top 10 teams, but beat all the teams ranked 12-20 that you play, all that says is that you should be ranked #11 or so. You may still have a .500 record if you play an equal number of top 10 as 12-20 ranked teams, but that doesn't make you an "average" team or even a poor team. Similarly, record alone can NOT be used to determine a team's strength/ranking. This should be obvious from the above hypothetical example, but it's a hard concept for even some very bright people to grasp. Bottom line, you could be 5-20 and beat 5 teams ranked between 11-20 in the state. If you lost all 20 games to teams ranked 1-10, my guess is that you should be ranked above all the teams you beat, yet below all of those you lost to - i.e. about #11... even with a 5-20 record...

Krach operates this way mathematically, and it's why I think with sufficient data it does a far better job than any human ranking based on data besides wins. Teams shouldn't be penalized for their SOS, and their ranking should depend on who they beat.

[xk1]

AP/LPH Poll 11-29

Class AA
1 EDEN PRAIRIE
2 Holy Angels
3 Edina
4 Roseville
5 Cretin-Derham Hall
6 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton
7 Benilde-St. Margaret’s
8 Bemidji
9 Coon Rapids
10 Wayzata
11 Burnsville
12 Centennial
13 White Bear Lake
14 Blaine
15 G Rapids/Greenway
16 Eagan
17 Stillwater
18 Moorhead
19 Rochester Mayo
20 Hopkins

[fivestars]

does anyone know this weeks LPH rankings for AA?

[xk1]

I believe AP and LPH rankings are same thing.

[boblee]

I believe AP and LPH rankings are same thing.

Correct

[trilogy]

Time to roll up the sleeves and speculate once more. Here are my picks, share yours and defend your reasoning. It is after all just opinions at this point

Class AA

1 AHA - until proven otherwise, unbeaten, and have played Top 10 teams
2 Eden Prairie - they'll be #1 soon enough, AHA has earned it for now
3 Edina - a squeaker over Roseville, my opinion is they have more offense
4 Roseville
5 Cloquet
6 Bemidji
7 Benilde - they could be a lot better, underperforming
8 Wayzata
9 Centennial
10 Forest Lake - unnoticed, but they should get into the LPH rankings now
11 Mayo
12 GRG - solid personnel, I predict they will continue to move up
13 CDH-goin' out on a limb here but I think they will struggle the next few weeks
14 Armstrong
15 Duluth
16 Coon Rapids
17 Minnetonka
18 Moorhead
19 Hopkins - underperforming, have potential, time will tell
20 Spring Lk Pk

Who's your faves?

[xwildfan]

Some random thoughts

Agree for the most part. AHA looked very impressive in their win Benilde. Benilde has to be the best example of what happens when a team full of stars does not play as a team; they lose.

I would have Roseville ahead of Edina; I think Roseville has more offense.

CDH off to a great start; won first six games; gave up a grand total of 5 goals. Must be time to change the breakout / defensive zone play. And they did just that and lost to Park 2-0. Rumor has it that change was done to benefit a particular player who was not scoring as much as anticipated.

EP - in a class by themselves; especially since the coach does manage to get his players to play as a team.

Eagan- I think they will be tough to contend with at the end of season; two D1 calibre goalies and a top defender - Berreman.

Stillwater - reminds me of Hastings after McKenzie left.

[xk1]

MN Girls Hockey AP Polls (12/7/06)

Class AA
1. Eden Prairie
2. Holy Angels
3. Roseville
4. Edina
5. Cloquet/Esko/Carlton
6. Bemidji
7. Cretin-Derham Hall
8. Benilde-St. Margaret's
9. Coon Rapids
10. Wayzata

[brookyone]

Some random thoughts

Stillwater - reminds me of Hastings after McKenzie left.

A little bit yes...but I think Stillwater has more talent "leftover" than did Hastings immediately after Erica left.

[Bensonmum]

Class AA
1. Eden Prairie
2. Holy Angels
3. Roseville
4. Edina
5. Cloquet/Esko/Carlton
6. Bemidji
7. Cretin-Derham Hall
8. Benilde-St. Margaret's
9. Coon Rapids
10. Wayzata

Too bad Cretin doesn't play AHA or BSM. CEC vs Bemidji, Feb2, for best in the north. Does anybody think CEC is better than BSM? Coon Rapids, 1 big win over Blaine, Wayzata 1 big win over Roseville. Loser tonight out of top ten for good.

[MNHockeyFan]

Does anybody think CEC is better than BSM?

Hard to make that argument at this juncture, since CEC lost to BSM 4-2.

Coon Rapids, 1 big win over Blaine, Wayzata 1 big win over Roseville. Loser tonight out of top ten for good.

I don't know about being out of the top ten for good, as it's still early, but Wayzata should win this one. I saw Coon Rapids scrimmage BSM a couple of weeks ago, and they lost 7 (or 8?) - 0, and the shots were something like 36-8.