STA vs. CDH

nbsupremexxx · Post by **nbsupremexxx** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:45 pm

Cristo wrote:
nbsupremexxx wrote:highly unlikely will STA/UST install another rink in the near future. The rink was added 3-4 years ago and the schools are still paying for it. On top of the arena, STA is scheduled to build a new athletic facility, fieldhouse/weight room/ possibly new pool and basketball court. They will be paying bills for quite some time. My guess is that in 20 years they will make some minor changes to the arena, possibly more seating, but very unlikley a new rink.
Impact Hockey has actually suggested (funding) the addition of another rink. As Impact Hockey continues to grow it's entirely possible a new rink will be installed within 10 years or less. And hockeywatcher, this is what I have been told, so it's not me speculating.

I have not heard a word reguarding (funding) from Impact. Just a question, how big of an organization is Impact anyway? Could they honestly afford 15-25 sum million? Im in favor of another rink i just never would have guessed so soon.

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:47 pm

I will take...

CDH 3
STA 2

mnjorc · Post by **mnjorc** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:29 pm

We shall see about the new rink. There is talk about it, but it all comes down to money in the end. There is only seating on one side currently because of money. The netting is all the way around to save on insurance. The walkway at the top of the arena is way too narrow and they could use a real press box with the number of games that have some sort of media there. There are some amazing things about that arena though. The ice is great, the locker rooms are better than any other high school locker room I have seen before. not as nice as the Wild visitor/Swarm home locker rooms, but pretty close. The weight room/training area is much better than the majority of weight rooms out there. The alumni room although not used for really any alumni or parent gatherings serves very well as a conference room and a place for the players to have classroom time to review the games using the new projector and screen. The lighting in the arena is some of the brightest in any arena meeting college specs when it was originally built. The lights have faded slightly with age and some are just slightly warmer (pinkish cast) than other ones. This has caused some talk about adding additional lights to make up for the minimal loss in brightness. The arena is very well managed and cared for by the staff keeping the ice the best temperature and thickness for optimal play. It is for all these reasons that the Saint Thomas Ice Arena is one of the finest hockey training facilities in the state if not the country and they still have room to improve. If Impact Hockey has the money to add another rink that would be pretty sweet. This post is starting to get off topic here so here is my way of bringing it back somewhat. I still predict that STA will win. It will be down to the wire and a very close game with hard hits, fast play, and a few penalties. We are now less than six days away from game time. This will be the second most exciting game of the year. The most exciting game will be when I predict both teams will meet again five days later at the Ex in the championship game of the Schwan Cup. Both games will be games to remember.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:40 pm

Wow, thanks for all that insight. Very much agreed on a lot of that.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:12 pm

In order for this game to be 'handicapped' properly, STA would have to play a little different kind of schedule.

They have had 2 common opponents but the teams strength of schedule is much different. I think that might work to CDH's advantage like it did last year.

I am sure the STA fans agree.

ocanadaourhome · Post by **ocanadaourhome** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:17 pm

packerboy wrote:In order for this game to be 'handicapped' properly, STA would have to play a little different kind of schedule.

They have had 2 common opponents but the teams strength of schedule is much different. I think that might work to CDH's advantage like it did last year.

I am sure the STA fans agree.

Absooolutely.....

What a great High School hockey mind......ma boy! Are you also handicapping Holy Angels schedule?

It will come down to players. Cretin is struggling without Hickey. Depth equation goes to STA.

4-1 STA

ocanadaourhome · Post by **ocanadaourhome** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:18 pm

packerboy wrote:In order for this game to be 'handicapped' properly, STA would have to play a little different kind of schedule.

They have had 2 common opponents but the teams strength of schedule is much different. I think that might work to CDH's advantage like it did last year.

I am sure the STA fans agree.

Absooolutely.....

What a great High School hockey mind......ma boy! Are you also handicapping Holy Angels schedule?

It will come down to players. Cretin is struggling without Hickey. Depth equation goes to STA.

4-1 STA

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:45 pm

That argument can go both ways. St Thomas puts in tops in class A at the beginning of the season. Has pretty good AA conference opponents, and then their non-conference games are AA teams too. I would say the only way to make St Thomas' schedule any harder would be for them to opt up to AA, which won't happen anytime in the near future.

Great point though. Holy Angels is in the situation they are in. So is St Thomas. With the talent St Thomas has they COULD be the first team to win 4 in a row. If they do that, I say opting up to AA could be something to consider. If that doesn't happen, and sadly it probably won't, then no way. As much as people have come on here and said things like "so you'll only opt up if you can compete in the big pond" that's how it is. Every AA team that is there because they have opted up would walk through the class A tournament year in and year out if they were a part of it.

This isn't even an argument when you discuss Cretin, because they have chosen to opt up in EVERY sport, so opting in hockey is just because of that.

That being said, the history of hockey between the two teams is heavily favored toward Cretin. It would be interesting if anyone had the history of all the results ever.

STAte Champs · Post by **STAte Champs** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:51 pm

Although CDH's schedule is much tougher, you can't forget that STA still plays with some big teams. They have Hill Murray, Tartan and North St. Paul in the conference. They also play Minnetonka, Breck, Duluth Marshall and the schwans cup. STA opens against Edina, which CDH just lost to the Hornets. CDH does have a tougher schedule, but you can't rule out STA's schedule either. If anyone saw the championship game of the schwan cup game last year between CDH and STA you can see that STA had the upper hand the entire game. Outshooting CDH STA led 3-1 going into the thrid...then choked. Then the rematch at Highland wasn't the best game for STA. In the end, STA has enough big team opponents to know what it takes.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:07 pm

I disagree with almost everything said. (Quit a switch for me, eh?)

STA could play a much tougher schedule. Sure, the conference is what it is but the team gets ready for the grind vs SSP, Simley and Sibley with games vs Red Wing and Lourdes?

They play against NSP and Tartan and those are big games?

AHA has a soft confernce too but are we now comparing STA to AHA?

Obviously, if the end of the rainbow is the class A tournamnet , then a weaker schedule doesnt hurt as much. But I think the difference in schedule favors the team that is used to playing against better competition. I think thats why its done.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:20 pm

I semi-agree with what was said and semi-disagree. There is something to be said for actually playing teams you know you will play in the future. When St Thomas initially put Breck on the schedule, Breck was really good and St Thomas was just an up and coming team, so that was big at the time. While they are an A team in section 3, they should still play Red Wing and Lourdes. But they could take Breck off and play a AA team. If they were to opt up to AA, then they should stop playing those teams and play some others. Until that happens, which I don't think it should unless they win the next three state titles (which I've said before and you can read about it), they should still play the teams they do. Tartan used to be really good and so did North, so they are in a fine conference. So, until they opt up (if ever) they should maybe play BSM or Roseville, or someone like that, instead of Breck, but they already play in the Silver Cup and play Cretin and Minnetonka. What is really wrong with their schedule being that they are a class A team?

Johnny_Murphy · Post by **Johnny_Murphy** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:24 pm

AA- 6
A-3

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:30 pm

Johnny_Murphy · Post by **Johnny_Murphy** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:34 pm

huh?

Sorry, here you go:

CDH (AA): 6
STA (A): 3

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:49 pm

HS, as I said in the last paragraph, if the goal is to prepare the team for a Class A tournament, the schedule is fine.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:54 pm

I understand that much, but I'm not saying they should play for the A tournament per say, but I do think they should play their section opponents while they are a class A team. There is something to be said for having played a team and knowing how they play.

Marshall seems to be on a downhill. If they are the #2 seed this year and get to the championship game, then sure, play them next year, but are you suggesting trying to schedule all AA non-conference games? I'm sure there are enough teams that would play St Thomas, but is that realistic for an A team?

whatdidyousay · Post by **whatdidyousay** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:33 pm

What about the second time CDH and STA played last year after the Schwan cup at Highland...CDh totally dominated that game and won 5-2...the only game you people (StateChamp ovbiously a little boy in blue) are looking at is the Schwan cup game last year...dont forget they played twice and CDH WON BOTH 4-3 AND 5-2

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:51 pm

They did, Everyone's allowed a bad game.

cmf · Post by **cmf** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:56 pm

this is a rumor i just heard. Supposedly, the Minnesota Wild has asked for STA to build another rink so they could practice there. They promised to help pay for it so that will cut deeply into the huge cost. Any Confirmations?

RBKhockey0099 · Post by **RBKhockey0099** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:01 pm

yeah the mn moose are coming back

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:59 pm

No, but that would maybe be on the right track. Back when the NHL wasn't playing, the Wild were practicing there during the school day.

nbsupremexxx · Post by **nbsupremexxx** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:32 pm

whatdidyousay wrote:What about the second time CDH and STA played last year after the Schwan cup at Highland...CDh totally dominated that game and won 5-2...the only game you people (StateChamp ovbiously a little boy in blue) are looking at is the Schwan cup game last year...dont forget they played twice and CDH WON BOTH 4-3 AND 5-2

whatdidyousay...obviously a purple pirate....

CDH didnt dominate, they came back after a rough second period for the cadets. If im not mistaken the "boys in blue" had the lead at one point. Crandall scored on himself and everything went down hill from there.

mnjorc · Post by **mnjorc** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:56 pm

It would be sweet to have the Wild practice at the Saint Thomas Ice Arena. Its close to Saint Paul, less than ten minutes with some traffic even, five without traffic. They currently practice at Parade which has much cheaper ice. The wild are a business like any business and they look to save money. If the Wild and Impact hockey were to both come up with some of the money for a second rink that would be amazing. So back on track here, I still hope that STA wins it, but I am getting more and more nervous every day. I was nervous a month ago. When I go to bed Friday night it will probably not be the most restful night sleep for me thinking about the game. Other than the last couple of games STA has a krazy tough schedule in my opinion. CDH does also though which just makes things that much more interesting and prepares each team for this battle. I know this much, I will not be able to relax until about 7:00 PM on Saturday after its all over. Then I can start to get nervous for the Edina game, even more than I already am. One game at a time though.

saintpaulhockey · Post by **saintpaulhockey** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:35 pm

CDH has the best manajorial staff in the state, both JV and Varsity. These guys get the job done behind the bench and in the locker room.

mnjorc · Post by **mnjorc** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:55 pm

Team managers for all teams are very under recognized for the amount of work that they do. I cant remember the CDH managers that well, but other teams that I can remember- One of the Simley managers goes to every game and practice filming the team at the games and getting water for the teams and doing stats. During practice he makes copies of the game tapes for the players and coaches. The SSP manager works his butt off equally as much. The STA managers work really hard too. Managers get to do all kinds of junk that gets thrown at them. So yeah, this posting was way off topic. I still predict a close game with STA winning. Thats my way of trying to bring it back on topic.

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