I don't know if this could technically be considered a crusade. A man of the cloth may correct me but I believe the crusades are associated with more failure than success. After 250 years it was apparent that European Christians could not re-establish their influence in the Middle East. If last year's crusade re-conquered Jerusalem at the Ice Cream early winter classic, that foothold was only strengthened last March. By the time this army of Raiders, Pioneers, and Stars gets done sacking and pillaging the holy land, I believe Damscus, Mecca, and Medina could all fall.Neutron 14 wrote: packerboy is starting hisannual crusade.
Wait Until Lent
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Absolutely correct boys on all counts.
I was reminded last year that the Crusades were mostly ineffective failures but ignored the fact as I was in too deep. Plus there was a lot of good material on Google about it so it was something we could all have fun with.
But Neut is right. We captured the bridge last year now can we hold until relieved. No problem Just wait until Lent.
I was reminded last year that the Crusades were mostly ineffective failures but ignored the fact as I was in too deep. Plus there was a lot of good material on Google about it so it was something we could all have fun with.
But Neut is right. We captured the bridge last year now can we hold until relieved. No problem Just wait until Lent.
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Time is on God's side
Centuries from now, when archeologists dig up the Minnesota High School Hockey Championships, so many will be engraved with Catholic names that the trophies will be thought to be Holy Relics.
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This is the one that stuck out most to me. Does the community provide me a job? NO. Who looks out for my family interests...the community...NO...Me, Myself and I do. Does the community decide where or if my children attend a college...NO..Me, Myself and I do. Who pays their medical bills...the community...NO...Me, Myself and I do. Who clothes and feeds my family...the community...NO...Me, Myself and I do. Who makes sure my children get to Mass...the community...NO..My Catholic wife does. If I don't look out for my family's self interests who will...the community...not a chance. Why then should I have to pledge my children to the community I live in then? If there was a Catholic School within 20 miles of where I live they sure wouldn't be going to a public school...there isn't one within 100 miles. My wife is a public school teacher would she jump at a chance to teach in a parochial school...in a heartbeat.SEMinnHockeyNut wrote:This is not an attack on religion - this is an attack on the "Me, Myself, and I" people of the world. An attack on parents who teach their kids that the ONLY thing that matters in my own self-interests, and not the good of the community.
If my children had a parochial school available to them why should they be punished for going there? That I think is what AP is trying to say.
P.S. I'd take a Me, Myself and I parent than a parent looking for a hand-out anyday.
"I was trying to capture the spirit of the thing"
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If you have ever been affected by a natural disaster you would learn the true meaning of community, it's about giving to others, with only the investment that if you were need you could count on them to support you, as you supported them.........no guarantees....just FAITH!
Me, Myself, and I are contrary to the WORD !
When your at mass next time look around........that's community too!
Me, Myself, and I are contrary to the WORD !
When your at mass next time look around........that's community too!
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First, I'm pretty sure AP has never needed help conveying his opinion.Dickie Dunn wrote: If my children had a parochial school available to them why should they be punished for going there? That I think is what AP is trying to say.
Second, You can send your kids to catholic school without punishment. This is not an affront on catholics or privates. They simply going to apply the same rules to them that they are going to implement towards publics. And AP can't stand it.
Well, right you are CNT but I dont think anyone in this thread is suggesting that community is not important.
Choosing a Catholic education is not turning your back on community. Quite the contrary. A Catholic education not only encourages but demands charitible giving and community service as do all religious teachings that I am aware of.
The idea that those who choose a Catholic (or other religious) education are just thinking of themselves is inaccurate.
But those crazy Catholics who play hockey will be in the Holy City in force come March playin for their schools. If you don't believe me, just wait until Lent
Choosing a Catholic education is not turning your back on community. Quite the contrary. A Catholic education not only encourages but demands charitible giving and community service as do all religious teachings that I am aware of.
The idea that those who choose a Catholic (or other religious) education are just thinking of themselves is inaccurate.
But those crazy Catholics who play hockey will be in the Holy City in force come March playin for their schools. If you don't believe me, just wait until Lent
Hold on there Neut. I think a clarification is in order.
The MSHSL, in their infinite wisdom, as I understand it, wants to punish those that transfer schools by denying the opportunity to participate in anything they have jurisdiction over. This should be a scary proposition for all to consider regardless of which side of the issue you are on.
Anyway, again as I understand it, they want to make an exception to the transfer rule if you go public to private BUT it has to be in a defined geographic area.
This is what AP objects to and you will too after you have thought it through (which I would never expect the MSHSL to do).
People dont live in areas because of the private school they want to attend...necessarily. There are no geographic boundries and werent when they made their housing choice.
Allow me to illustrate. Within a one mile radius of my house you will find families who send their kids to Nativity, Holy Spirit , Vistation , SPA , STA CDH, AHA , ST Croix Lutheran and HM.... just to name a few.
Now , tell me how you are going to explain to all those people that they have to go to one private school if they want to participate in a MSHSL sponsered activity. They all made substantial investments in their homes with the idea that hey could go to any one of those schools.
BTW, you could make the same argument for some who purchased a home in one district but relying on OE ,planned to attend school in another.
This is nuts. Anybody who thinks the MSHSL isnt going to BOOf this up big time is dreaming. They shouldnt be making these kinds of decisions. Who is their source of info.... a bunch of coaches who are bitter because they lost some players ?
Pray.Pray hard and often
The MSHSL, in their infinite wisdom, as I understand it, wants to punish those that transfer schools by denying the opportunity to participate in anything they have jurisdiction over. This should be a scary proposition for all to consider regardless of which side of the issue you are on.
Anyway, again as I understand it, they want to make an exception to the transfer rule if you go public to private BUT it has to be in a defined geographic area.
This is what AP objects to and you will too after you have thought it through (which I would never expect the MSHSL to do).
People dont live in areas because of the private school they want to attend...necessarily. There are no geographic boundries and werent when they made their housing choice.
Allow me to illustrate. Within a one mile radius of my house you will find families who send their kids to Nativity, Holy Spirit , Vistation , SPA , STA CDH, AHA , ST Croix Lutheran and HM.... just to name a few.
Now , tell me how you are going to explain to all those people that they have to go to one private school if they want to participate in a MSHSL sponsered activity. They all made substantial investments in their homes with the idea that hey could go to any one of those schools.
BTW, you could make the same argument for some who purchased a home in one district but relying on OE ,planned to attend school in another.
This is nuts. Anybody who thinks the MSHSL isnt going to BOOf this up big time is dreaming. They shouldnt be making these kinds of decisions. Who is their source of info.... a bunch of coaches who are bitter because they lost some players ?
Pray.Pray hard and often
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Ever heard the one where the Good Lord helps those who help themselves?Can't Never Tried wrote: Me, Myself, and I are contrary to the WORD !
When your at mass next time look around........that's community too!
The last time a natural disaster hit my house it wasn't the community that helped but the insurance company that Me, Myself and I paid premiums to. In fact, when the back-up hit my basement and I had to gut it out along with the rest of my neighbors because a city pump station failed when a generator didn't kick in...the City (Community) weasled out of paying for it CLAIMING it was an act of God. Besides, my personal opinion is if YOUR gonna live in the Mississippi Delta below sea level, along a fault line or in the shadow of a volcano it's your problem..not mine.
I'm not Catholic just had to agree that my kids were raised Catholic to marry one. Why didn't I convert...not everyone can be perfect.
Besides I drive the priests crazy when they want to discuss Catholicism and I ask about the Inquisition, Sales of Indulgences, the burning of so-called Heretics, the Holy See's order to assasinate Elizabeth the I, Cardinal Richelieu's corruption of power and Pious's position on the Holocaust. We do have some interesting dinner conversations at our home. 
"I was trying to capture the spirit of the thing"
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The MSHSL is History!
Let's look to history to help clear up this debate:
Now, we all know who aDavelph Stead and the MSHSL are acting like, ready to invade La Richfield and force an unwitting Zamman to accept new boundaries and restrictions for his private school kids.
The well-spoken Packerboy thought his Island Empire might have to go it alone against the growing MSHSLzi threat... until the U. S. of AP pledged its support!
Surprisingly, Dunn now has joined the Catholic forces, but don't worry... AP welcomes the Dicskies though knowing not to completely trust that Godless Moorhead Motherland.
Finally, just when the Allied forces begin to March up through the boot of the MSHSL, Neutrino14 will say, "Bonjourno, I was on the your side all this time!"
Now, we all know who aDavelph Stead and the MSHSL are acting like, ready to invade La Richfield and force an unwitting Zamman to accept new boundaries and restrictions for his private school kids.
The well-spoken Packerboy thought his Island Empire might have to go it alone against the growing MSHSLzi threat... until the U. S. of AP pledged its support!
Surprisingly, Dunn now has joined the Catholic forces, but don't worry... AP welcomes the Dicskies though knowing not to completely trust that Godless Moorhead Motherland.
Finally, just when the Allied forces begin to March up through the boot of the MSHSL, Neutrino14 will say, "Bonjourno, I was on the your side all this time!"
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As I understand it. Well put. Not being a lawyer myself, its always inferred.packerboy wrote:Hold on there Neut. I think a clarification is in order.
Anyway, again as I understand it, they want to make an exception to the transfer rule if you go public to private BUT it has to be in a defined geographic area.
BTW, you could make the same argument for some who purchased a home in one district but relying on OE ,planned to attend school in another.
If I remember correctly, the original draft of this proposal had no such passage regarding privates. It's purpose was strictly to hinder "percieved TRANSFER abuses" (depends which side of the fence your on). The MSHSL would to allow Open Enrollment to students in their freshman year without any penalty. Even outside their school district, without penalty. This still stands.
The penalty comes after you have enrolled in one school as a freshman, and transfer to another outside that school district. I believe that was the original gist of it. THEN it was brought up that since privates had no school district, how could you apply it to them and make it equitable. Whether anyone likes it or not, it is the MSHSL job to make things fair. Their solution was to use existing public school district boundaries, rather than have a ton of gerrymandering.
As I understand it, privates can enroll in the school of their choice the same as publics. It doesnt have to be the district in which you live. If they didn't include privates in the rule, it would be a huge advantage for them. If kids wanted to transfer without penalty, they could just transfer to a private.
This is where I'm still fuzzy. You cannot transfer public to public without penalty because it will be in a different school district. But you might be able to transfer from public to private in the same school district. Of course the same could be said about transferring from private to public, but who would do that?
As I understand it of course....
Thanks AP.
Neva have so few done so much for so many.
Thats right elliott, we have converted half of the world, .....whats a few more?
But either get behind the Catholics or get out of the way because we will March across the Wabasha bridge into the Holy Saintly City on the banks of the mighty Mississippi 4 armies strong and force the MSHSLzi's and their evil leader named aDavelph to give us the trophy, if he doesnt storm out of the building after we win.
Neva have so few done so much for so many.
Thats right elliott, we have converted half of the world, .....whats a few more?
But either get behind the Catholics or get out of the way because we will March across the Wabasha bridge into the Holy Saintly City on the banks of the mighty Mississippi 4 armies strong and force the MSHSLzi's and their evil leader named aDavelph to give us the trophy, if he doesnt storm out of the building after we win.
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aDavelph Stead and the MSHSL's....new slogan...Abandon Hope All Ye Who Transfer There.
I can also tell you what the MSHSL's defense will be after capitulation......we were just following ADavelph's orders OR we didn't know what he was doing.
Goodness gracious....this is almost as much fun as playing with Bear, Spud and Ram fans combined.
I can also tell you what the MSHSL's defense will be after capitulation......we were just following ADavelph's orders OR we didn't know what he was doing.
Goodness gracious....this is almost as much fun as playing with Bear, Spud and Ram fans combined.
"I was trying to capture the spirit of the thing"
I don't know how Dickie Dunn managed to turn this into a discussion of the value of community, but I'll just say you're welcome to play all the individual sports you want, tennis, wrestling, etc. Unfortunately, if you want to play any team sports you can leave that me, myself and I attitude at the door, thanks. I'd like to say more, but I'll keep my personal political beliefs on hold as discussions in that direction inevitably lead to conundrums for Mitch and Lee in deciding how many posts they need to delete.
Right now it looks like the Infidels best chance of heading the Crusade off at the pass lies to the Great North with the mighty Moorhead Spuds and the Rams of Roseau plus the Section 7 powerhouses in Grand Rapids, Cloquet, and Duluth East. Unfortunately, the Crusade has conspired to only allow two teams from the North to play on the frozen Holy Water at the Excel so the odds might be with them to retain their grip on the prize.
Right now it looks like the Infidels best chance of heading the Crusade off at the pass lies to the Great North with the mighty Moorhead Spuds and the Rams of Roseau plus the Section 7 powerhouses in Grand Rapids, Cloquet, and Duluth East. Unfortunately, the Crusade has conspired to only allow two teams from the North to play on the frozen Holy Water at the Excel so the odds might be with them to retain their grip on the prize.
Whats your point Neut?
Its Boofin stupid to apply boundries to private schools. It doesnt make it fair, it makes it idiotic.
Plus there are perfectly legimitate life changing reasons people change from private to public or vice versa.
People leave private schools because of a job layoff or other change in economic circumstances. So, if a kid is at Cretin and his dad gets laid off his job and Catholic education is no longer economically feasible, he cant play sorts? How Boofin stupid is that?
Or if at the time a child started, a private education wasnt affordable but a job promotion or acquisition makes it so, a kid cant play sports? Yah, that makes a lot of sense.
Suppose a child appliess to CDH but is one of the 200 turned away every year but an opening allows him to attend his junior year? Cant play sorts?Excellent.
But I am sure our heros at the MSHSL have this all figured out.
After all , they were the ones that gave us 12 minute periods and 20 games for 30 years.
Pary for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
Its Boofin stupid to apply boundries to private schools. It doesnt make it fair, it makes it idiotic.
Plus there are perfectly legimitate life changing reasons people change from private to public or vice versa.
People leave private schools because of a job layoff or other change in economic circumstances. So, if a kid is at Cretin and his dad gets laid off his job and Catholic education is no longer economically feasible, he cant play sorts? How Boofin stupid is that?
Or if at the time a child started, a private education wasnt affordable but a job promotion or acquisition makes it so, a kid cant play sports? Yah, that makes a lot of sense.
Suppose a child appliess to CDH but is one of the 200 turned away every year but an opening allows him to attend his junior year? Cant play sorts?Excellent.
But I am sure our heros at the MSHSL have this all figured out.
After all , they were the ones that gave us 12 minute periods and 20 games for 30 years.
Pary for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
Its all for the "common good".
Have no fear guys, its just a little bit of freedom lost,......and its for the "common good".
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