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Re: Box Score

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SEMetro wrote:Anyone see the Blake/St. Paul Saints box score in the pioneer press?

I haven't seen a game with no shots on goal before.
The short writeup of the game also mentioned the shot count, so you have to assume it wasn't a typo.
SEMetro wrote:I hope the box score is wrong - if not - note to Blake coach - when you are up by 7 goals with 2 minutes left in the game, and the opposing team has ZERO total shots on goal in the prior 49 minutes of game play - you may want to consider sitting your first line and forego trying to get someone a hat trick.
Amen. Blake rarely plays its third line - against BSM they were only out there for a few seconds the entire game. I hope that wasn't the case in this one.
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Re: Box Score

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MNHockeyFan wrote: Anyone see the Blake/St. Paul Saints box score in the pioneer press?

I haven't seen a game with no shots on goal before.
The shot count is correct, it was zero.
MNHockeyFan wrote: Amen. Blake rarely plays its third line - against BSM they were only out there for a few seconds the entire game. I hope that wasn't the case in this one.
The boxscore doesn't tell the whole story here. I can attest to this as I have attended almost all the Blake games this year. Your quote should be amended to "Blake rarely plays its third line in close games" No he isn't going to do that against BSM or Edina, would you? But that is not the case in every game that I've seen.

As soon as the score margin is comfortable in any Blake game, the coach puts the third line in for a lot of playing time. Last night Blake didn't run up the score in the first period either, the goals per period were 4, 2 and 3. Running time didn't start until well into the third period if I remember correctly.

Last night, he even kept the third line in there for the PP and PKs. The first line didn't see much time at all as the game went into the third period. The second line started each period. I think the coach did just about all he could to even it up, short of completely sitting the first line in the third period. Every kid on the bench saw lots of playing time.

Just saying don't believe the stats completely, get the whole story first.

Must say that even though they were no match for Blake, the Saints team never gave up, especially their goalie, sheplayed a helluva game right to the end. I was proud of both teams, there wasn't any excessive celebrating after goals that I saw, and the Saints gals didn't start taking frustrations out with penalties (well maybe one or two).

First line didn't play much at all near the end of the game. Just enough to keep them on their toes for Thursday's big game I suppose.

Go Bears :P
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Post by ghshockeyfan »

FWIW most G HS coaches play 2 lines and spot a 3rd. There are some unique situations in certain programs that may dictate otherwise, however G HS Hockey is still predominantly a "2-line-spot-a-third" game. The exceptions are when you have the depth of an EP, or the youth of a Simley. In those cases, especially early on, you may consider playing deeper into your bench due to the talent to do so or a lack of experience that can only be gained through playing. But, by year's end, even teams with youth/depth should get to a "2-line-spot-a-third" setup more than likely. And, there are game sitautions at any point in the season that dictate some thought as to who is playing (PP/PK/close @ end of game/OT/etc.).

In Blake's case, I would NOT play my 3rd line regularly against BSM. That's a top game, and assuming the 1st & 2nd line are comprised of their top 6 F's then the next 3 may not be able to hang with BSM's top F's. That is, assuming, that BSM is not playing their 3rd regularly, and if they are at all you may be able to match lines but that can leave you in a tough spot if your 3rd doesn't match well with the opponents, or also if your 3rd gets stuck against their 1st too much (unless you're looking intentionally for this mismatch to create the opposite on a subsequent shift). Sometimes, coaches feel their 2nd/3rd can defend well enough against the opponents 1st to allow their 1st to beat up on their opponents 2nd/3rd, but I don't know many opposing coaches that would let this happen for very long (would look for the match then).

Against Saints, I would think that a team like Blake could play the 3rd line more since the Saints are an up-and-coming class A program (much like my own) and subsequently aren't as deep as Blake in a three line sense. Sounds like they did exactly that. Blake is well coached and one of the best coaches I know in the game. As classy as they come, so I'm gussing that perception of what transpired and the reality may be differing a little here?
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weak

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Wow - he even let the 3rd liners penalty kill when he got up by 6 in the third period and there were still no shots on goal? What an inspiration. But hey I'm sure that that 8th goal with two minutes left to play really helped get the girls ready for there next tilt. :roll:

When another team can't even get a shot on goal, and the game is out of hand, a classy coach sits his/her all conference/all staters.

Embarassing.
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Re: weak

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SEMetro wrote:Wow - he even let the 3rd liners penalty kill when he got up by 6 in the third period and there were still no shots on goal? What an inspiration. But hey I'm sure that that 8th goal with two minutes left to play really helped get the girls ready for there next tilt. :roll:

When another team can't even get a shot on goal, and the game is out of hand, a classy coach sits his/her all conference/all staters.

Embarassing.
I refuse to let someone who is only following this team on paper, and can't possibly see the whole picture, attack a coach who is very evenhanded in giving playing time, as competition allows, game by game. Or imply that Ms. Chute was only out there to get a hat trick, I have never met a more humble and unassuming top player than this girl is.

The score in this game could have easily been 20-0 but it was not. The game was not out of hand, it was simply one-sided.

And it is worth mentioning that Blake was coming off a loss where the wheels fell off against a tough Benilde team. They needed to get their confidence back and they sure didn't do it by running up the score. I think the balance of play was as good as it could be under the circumstances (the obvious disparity in skill) and to pick on the timing of one goal does not tell the whole story.

Pulling stats out of the paper and using them to paint a negative picture is not good discussion here. Keep it positive!

Gotta defend my team :wink: Go Bears!
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sorry

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Hey - read the post carefully - no one is blaming any kid - except your reference to the Saints taking a couple cheap penalties. My problem is with the coach.

And I guess we will have to respectfully disagree about whether a shot count of 53 to 0 makes a game out of hand.
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Re: sorry

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SEMetro wrote:Hey - read the post carefully - no one is blaming any kid - except your reference to the Saints taking a couple cheap penalties. My problem is with the coach.

And I guess we will have to respectfully disagree about whether a shot count of 53 to 0 makes a game out of hand.
IMHO there have been far worse situations then the Blake game as far as sportmanship & coaching "score control." I let one get out of hand this year myself even after making every possible adjustment besides to stop shooting.
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no doubt there are worse goal differentials but ...

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I have a small suspicion that in the game you refer to you had the superstars on your roster riding pine - to the extent you have a superstar - although I don't know if you have a Komarek or Chute.

Sometimes a team has no elite players - so I can understand not rotating players out of a game entirely - but in the Blake game a Komarek or Chute was in on 7 of 9 goals - including two after the game went to running time - one very late.

I have never seen a team get zero shots on goal - that's what caught my eye - because we all understand that a score differential can be big because of a goalie meltdown but the game can still be back and forth. That can't be the case when the SOG are 50+ to 0.
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Post by dumpandchase »

Warroad did the same thing to Park Rapids earlier this year.


But Waroad isn't known for having the most accurate scorekeepers.
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Post by xk1 »

The only real solution is to stop having so many of these games. Blake has to play them twice because they are in the same conference, at the least the conference should come up with a schedule where Blake only plays them once. I suspect the same is now true for Breck.
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Bears over Mustangs!!!

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Bears over Mustangs 4-0

1 goal in the 1st

3 goals in the 2nd

Great play by both teams, and both goalies were solid.

Much fun to watch, and we are looking forward to the rematch.

Breck is a worthy opponent, thank you girls for a great game.


Go Bears :D :D
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Post by xk1 »

AHA 5
Prior Lake 0

5 goals for Lauren Smith!
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Post by boblee »

Grand Rapids/Greenway 1
Bemidji 0

Overtime Final
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Post by Whitt's End »

Proctor-Hermantown-Marshall 2

Silver Bay 2
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wow

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PHM and Silver Bay must of been a good game.

Where was the game played?

Was it as good as the score shows?
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Post by keepitreal »

boblee wrote:Grand Rapids/Greenway 1
Bemidji 0

Overtime Final
Upset special! Great win for GRG. Sounds like it was a heck of a game.
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As of 01/05/2007 AM

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http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/late ... entID=1830

http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/sche ... entID=1830


Missing:
GAME DATE AWAY TEAM AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM HOME SCORE NOTES



GAME DATE AWAY TEAM AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM HOME SCORE NOTES
1/4/2007 Bemidji 0 Grand Rapids/Greenway 1
1/4/2007 Blaine 2 Elk River 4
1/4/2007 Blake 4 Breck 0
1/4/2007 Brainerd 5 River Lakes Stars 3
1/4/2007 Buffalo 6 St. Cld. Icebreakers 3
1/4/2007 Burnsville 5 Chaska 0
1/4/2007 Cambridge-Isanti 6 Rob. Armstrong 1
1/4/2007 Cretin-Derham Hall 6 Lakev. North 1
1/4/2007 Eagan 2 Roseville 4
1/4/2007 Faribault 9 Mankato East 0
1/4/2007 Farmington 6 Red Wing 1
1/4/2007 Hopkins 4 St. Louis Park 0
1/4/2007 Little Falls 0 Willmar 6
1/4/2007 Mankato West 0 Austin 8
1/4/2007 Minneapolis Novas 0 Orono 2
1/4/2007 Minnetonka 3 Coon Rapids 6
1/4/2007 Mound-Westonka 2 Princeton 0
1/4/2007 New Ulm 1 Albert Lea Tigers 4
1/4/2007 North Wright County River Hawks 0 Anoka 2
1/4/2007 Prior Lake 0 Academy of Holy Angels 5
1/4/2007 Redwood Valley 0 Marshall 13
1/4/2007 Roch. John Marshall 3 Owatonna 5
1/4/2007 Roch. Mayo 2 White Bear Lake 4
1/4/2007 Roseau 2 Moorhead 4
1/4/2007 Silver Bay/Two Harbors 2 Proctor/Hermantown/Marshall 2
1/4/2007 Spring Lake Park/St. Anthony 0 Centennial 4
1/4/2007 St. Francis/North Branch 0 Irondale 5
1/4/2007 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 5 Worthington 0
1/3/2007 Minnehaha Academy 0 St. Paul United 8
1/2/2007 Anoka 7 Faribault 3
1/2/2007 Champlin Park 4 Moose Lake 0
1/2/2007 Dodge County 3 Red Wing 5
1/2/2007 Farmington 2 Simley 1
1/2/2007 Lake of the Woods 2 East Grand Forks 3
1/2/2007 Lakev. South 2 Roch. Mayo 4
1/2/2007 Mankato East 2 Owatonna 11
1/2/2007 Morris/Benson/Hancock 4 Litchfield/Dassel-Cokato 4
1/2/2007 New Ulm 11 Fairmont 0
1/2/2007 Prior Lake 4 Totino-Grace 0
1/2/2007 Proctor/Hermantown/Marshall 3 Cambridge-Isanti 5
1/2/2007 Richfield 2 Apple Valley 6
1/2/2007 Roch. Century 0 Mankato West 9
1/2/2007 St. Cld. Tech 1 Elk River 6
1/2/2007 St. Paul Blades 2 Minneapolis Novas 1
1/2/2007 St. Paul Saints 0 Blake 9
1/2/2007 Winona Winhawks 4 Albert Lea Tigers 1
1/1/2007 Academy of Holy Angels 2 Hibbing/Chisholm 0 Kaposia Classic Invitational (5th)
1/1/2007 Eden Prairie 2 Roseville 0 Kaposia Classic Invitational (1st)
1/1/2007 New Prague 3 South St. Paul 4 Kaposia Classic Invitational (7th)
1/1/2007 Spring Lake Park/St. Anthony Totino-Grace
1/1/2007 Stillwater 3 North St. Paul Polars 0 Kaposia Classic Invitational (3rd)
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Post by Whitt's End »

PHM - SB was played at Mars Lakeview. It was indeed an excellent game. SB was in the box much of the 3rd and held off some great scoring chances by PHM.

Both teams had great chances to win. Lots of good skaters on both teams.
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Post by xk1 »

CEC 3
Edina 3 OT

Shots were about 40-20 for Edina.

Edina came back from 3-1 in the first.
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Post by MNHockeyFan »

xk1 wrote:CEC 3
Edina 3 OT

Shots were about 40-20 for Edina.

Edina came back from 3-1 in the first.
Sounds like it was a great game, and goaltending may have been the difference (as it so often is in hockey). I'm a little surprised that the teams combined for 6 goals - I thought it would have been even more of a defensive battle.
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Post by Zamman »

HM 2 Richfield 1... The winning goal on a penalty shot. I heard shots were someting like 40 - 10.
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Post by hockeydad »

Friday night
NP vs. Shakopee
NP goes into overtime for the fourth straight game.
This time, NP wins, with a slapshot from Hrabe just inside the blue line about three minutes in.

final...NP 4, Shakopee 3
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Post by MNHockeyFan »

Benilde 4 (29 shots)
Wayzata 1 (20 shots)

BSM controlled most of the play in the first two periods, using their speed and quick passing attack. The third period was very ragged, with numerous penalties - including some real dumb ones by each side - that disrupted the flow of the game.
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Post by GoBigRed »

Cretin 4 - White Bear 2
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Post by MNHockeyFan »

MaxPreps has Burnsville beating Eden Praire 3-2, but it appears to be an error as in the Box Score Eden Prairie players are listed as having scored the 3 goals. Anyone know the real outcome?
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