Lundy.....Any thread you post in is wrecked. Don't bother with the PM all you'll get is "my hockey background is better than yours". What was the response I got in one...oh, right..."go pound sand". Take your own advice. Laugh with your HS buddies over that one. Seems to me you should have taken your own advice you may be a PLAYER now versus just a ref gettin' spit on. Just remember the 8 - 9000 people you talk about aren't there to watch you, they could care less who you are and with your ego that's gotta hurt.
As for the game I see Roseau shutting them down. Vats will play well....but Warroad won't score enough.
Very well said Ram Hockey. I have to say that i completely agree with everything you said, and i think 99% of the people on this board do as well. Lundy has no credibility whatsoever and it would be a shame if there are casual readers of this site that take his comments and apply them to the city of Roseau and all its fans.
But, back to the actual topic of the thread....I'm banking on Vats standing on his head, allowing the Warriors a 2-1 stunner.
Bobcat, couldn't have said it better myself. Fortunately, Lundy doesn't speak for the rest of us that pay attention to what's happening up north. I certainly don't pretend to know the psychological makeup of referees, but this one appears to be living way too much in the past instead of in the present. Take it for what it's worth, but just my opinion. In spite of Lundy, I will continue to pay attention to what the Rams do as well as what "others" have to say in this forum.
Ya Lets get back to the game. There is no reason for Roseau to lose this game. Just let the rams know that they should be prepared for the gardens to turn up the heat so the ice will be really slow. Less stick handling more dump & chase.
Guys ya gotta take a lot of comments with a grain of salt on this one. The same holds true for a lot of message boards. I even see it on boards like the NHL ones where I go from time to time. Saw it today on the Oilers one.
The beauty in life is we can take things however we want. In this case it looks like Lundy has got a lot of you going. Its all in how we deal with comments.
If Lundy wants to get the boyz riled up here, well then I would say mission accomplished.
In this case it looks like Lundy has got a lot of you going. Its all in how we deal with comments.
If Lundy wants to get the boyz riled up here, well then I would say mission accomplished.
When you give it out you have to be able to take it. I just took it on the end of the chin. Finally some of you snapped. It's OK. You are true Roseau fans. That's what I love about you.
How do you think his Nick Oliver feels reading this crap you write on here about Coach Oliver, it is amazing how pathitic you are. You write stuff on a fourm, a would dare you to tell this crap to coach Olivers face when no one is around. you are a low life
How do you think his Nick Oliver feels reading this crap you write on here about Coach Oliver, it is amazing how pathitic you are. You write stuff on a fourm, a would dare you to tell this crap to coach Olivers face when no one is around. you are a low life
I don't know about Lundy, but I know plenty of the '04 seniors who told Oliver off on more than one occasion, and they are all still alive and well.
McPlayer, My personal opinion is....if Dad is going to promote son and coach son; then son must be able to take criticism that is thrown dad's way. Son also has to be able to take criticism because Dad's coaching him and is working behind scenes to promote him. Does Dad have a personal agenda for any other players - doubt it....Ness, Landman and Nelson all can do it without his help. Nepotism and Favoratism are the 2 big reasons parents shouldn't coach their kids and it sounds like Roseau's getting a healthy dose of each. Do you really think that Nick Oliver would already be verbally committed to SCSU without Dad pulling some strings? Remember a college education is big money so if Ollie gets his kid a free education because he's the coach that's a dandy perk package on top of a salary.
I don't think you can fault a dad for trying to get something for his son. Whether or not you agree with how this happened, I guess is to be debated as it is now.
However, if you watched Nick played as a Bantam last year, I think most would agree he was one of the most talented players in the state. He has some of the skills necessary to advance to the next level. Would he deserve signing as a sophomore? The jury is still out on that one. He needs some work, that is a definite....but there aren't too many sophomores that aren't going to need some fine tuning.
Regardless, as you say there will be comments thrown both towards Coach Oliver, and in turn towards Nick. It is part of the game. However, just by being a coaches son alone doesn't get you a verbal agreement (IMO).
Getting back to the game and the rivalry...I put together some "fun facts" using Ram Hockey's Rivalry list. It should be very eye opening to some around the state that think this is a one sided affair when they look at the overall (R) 91 - (W) 54 - (T) 4 record.
In the last 20 years since 1986 the record is (if I counted right) (R) 17 - (W) 26 - (T) 2. Almost half of Warroad wins have come in the last 20 years.
Since 1996 the record is (R) 7 - (W) 16 - (T) 1.
Since Roseau made the jump to AA in 1998 the series is (R) 6 - (W) 11 - (T) 1. Looks like the Class A team is the weak little stepchild.
HockeyFan1 wrote:I don't think you can fault a dad for trying to get something for his son. Whether or not you agree with how this happened, I guess is to be debated as it is now.
However, if you watched Nick played as a Bantam last year, I think most would agree he was one of the most talented players in the state. He has some of the skills necessary to advance to the next level. Would he deserve signing as a sophomore? The jury is still out on that one. He needs some work, that is a definite....but there aren't too many sophomores that aren't going to need some fine tuning.
Regardless, as you say there will be comments thrown both towards Coach Oliver, and in turn towards Nick. It is part of the game. However, just by being a coaches son alone doesn't get you a verbal agreement (IMO).
When you use your public position to advance your personal agenda it isn't right. Come on you tellin' me that Ollie had nothing to do with his kid committing this early. HockeyFan get your head out of the sand.
Maybe re-read it and get your own head out of the sand .....I did not say he did not have anything to do with this. I'm sure you've done nothing to help your own son advance.
I'm not promoting it, but I'm not going to sit here and rip on a guy either for helping. I'm sure he's the first person to try help a kid out .
Anyway, enough about that.....on to the rivalry. I'll take the Rams by 3.
I received this from a Ram alumni. Pretty high up in the world of hockey. These are his thoughts. I don't know how long it has been since I talked to him. Maybe 10 years. As hockey person I respect him very much.
Why has no one heard the overall message of all your posts?
You say things that are gonna piss people off, as we all do, but the
message has never been a rip on the program or the kids, if you
actually
read it. You might have said some things that were a little on the nasty side. I am sure you didn't mean them. I can see past that. The message has been a plea to do more and add some things
that
many of the elite level players already do. Ask Erik Fabian if he works
hard in the summer, just to try to keep up at UND. Ask any player in
the
AHL if they had to work hard in the summer for a chance to get paid to
play. Better yet, ask Matt Cullen what his summer routines were. He was
pretty gifted but shooting 10,000 pucks a summer may have had something
to do with raising the Cup last summer. There have been people on there
saying not every kid wants to play at the next level, well I would
disagree with that. Anyone on the varsity team should want to, some just
work
harder and get there. People have made comments about giving back to
the
community, well, sometimes information can be a gift. Like observing
some of the most elite hockey players and sharing the info of what they
do to get better is giving back. People fear change and when you
challenge "the way things are always done" it makes them defensive.
It's
pretty obvious the game has changed, but asking people
to look at it differently and make the adjustments shouldn't make them
rip on you personally, it should hopefully allow them to hear a
different perspective and take what they like to make their program
better. If you have the ability to observe elite players and share some
of the things they do, who wouldn't want the piece of advice?
I haven't seen this Roseau team play a game. I know almost no one on
the
roster, yet I bet I could watch one game and be an "expert" about the
things they need to do in the summer. Shoot pucks, work on the leg
strength and core stability. How could this happen? Because they are
universal in all hockey players. Almost any pro or college workout is
80% legs and core since they are the main parts used in hockey. Does
Roseau use a program of this type or are the players on their own? Is
the coach giving any guidance or organizing any team shooting nights? I
don't know, but he should if he wants to compete with the elite
programs
of the state. I am all for Roseau being an elite program but you can't
be in the year 2007 and talk about the domination of the 60's. What
have
you done lately? Moorhead has been dominate in the section for 15
years.
Have they won a title, no. Should we be wondering what they are doing
to
be this good and try to learn from it, absolutely. Should we be
defensive about it, no, but it is human nature to say we are good
enough.
It's pretty interesting to see people ripping on you for being an elite
level ref. If someone has information that can help a program, why does
it matter who it comes from? I guess you should have picked a different
user name and all would be forgiven.
Lundy....I don't think your wrong in what your stating. It's HOW you've stated it. It looks combative, abusive and condescending, like you have a Paul Bunyan sized axe to grind with an ego to equal it. Put the axe in the tool shed and bring your theories to the public in a more tasteful fashion and you may get your point across. Right now all the people see is the RANT and not the message. The attacks are from the tone not the message. Your message is like a symphony with the volume cranked all you hear is noise. The old saying is you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Your a college grad prove it with your writing skills.
Lundy....I don't think your wrong in what your stating. It's HOW you've stated it. It looks combative, abusive and condescending, like you have a Paul Bunyan sized axe to grind with an ego to equal it. Put the axe in the tool shed and bring your theories to the public in a more tasteful fashion and you may get your point across. Right now all the people see is the RANT and not the message.
OK....I will try and not be so combative, abusive and condescending. I see your guys point. I will fix it here on my end. Now is Roseau going to fix it on theirs? That might be the next question.
Quit bein' ridiculous hey. It won't be that big of a margin.
Yeah but in all seriousness Roseau needs to have a huge game and a spanking of their neighbors to the East would open up a lot of eyes. Especially after all the talk of the who the Warroad potential goaltender may be. It could possibly be that type of a score. He either stands on his head or they spank the hell out of them. I hope for the latter one of course!
Wishfull thinking on his and my part maybe. But USUALLY it doesnt matter what the records are. those games are typically very high intense tight games. (USUALLY). I am speaking from experience on that one.
history shows over the past tweenty years roseau always has problems beating warroad even when roseaus the clear favorite. however i have to say if roseau plays their worst game of the year warroad has no chance to win this one.. this is really a dead issue this year and as far down as i can look it only gets worse the recruiting better get heavey soon or this rivelry is nothing more than another wasted spot on roseaus schedule.
Laugh with your HS buddies over that one. Seems to me you should have taken your own advice you may be a PLAYER now versus just a ref gettin' spit on. 
Just remember the 8 - 9000 people you talk about aren't there to watch you, they could care less who you are and with your ego that's gotta hurt. 
Almost half of Warroad wins have come in the last 20 years. 
HockeyFan get your head out of the sand.