Running up the score

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:56 pm

People continually talk about teams (Holy Angels at the moment) running up the score. In the situation of Holy Angels they play their 4th and 3rd lines mostly in the 3 period while the other team is still playing their 1st line. If their 4th line can score, more power to em'. I'm not sure what happened in the Moorhead/Monticello game, but there is a point where if you are playing a team not close to your equal what's the point in playing?

Baseball has realized this and has a run rule. Should hockey do something like this? It is my personal opinion that there is nothing wrong with continuing to play with the way it is set up but that a rule change like a 6 or 7 goal rule would be a good addition.

PASTRAPIDSFAN · Post by **PASTRAPIDSFAN** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:58 pm

Not a bad idea like the 10 run rule or make it the 10 goal rule.

Badger07 · Post by **Badger07** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:00 pm

I personally like the running time during the third period when a team is up by six or more goals

Goldy Gopher · Post by **Goldy Gopher** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:01 pm

Isn't that the idea behind the running time in the third period rule?

PASTRAPIDSFAN · Post by **PASTRAPIDSFAN** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:02 pm

Keep that in effect but when it hits 10 goal spread call it.

Goldy Gopher · Post by **Goldy Gopher** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:03 pm

PASTRAPIDSFAN wrote:Keep that in effect but when it hits 10 goal spread call it.

Not a bad idea.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:03 pm

PASTRAPIDSFAN has a very good idea in my opinion. Then a team like Holy Angels could see how fast they can get to that. And it would get people to shut up about running up the score.

Yes that is the point of running time, but if a team is up 12-0 is running time enough?

Zamman · Post by **Zamman** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:05 pm

i do not know about you, but I would feel cheated out of someof my $6 if the game was called when someone scored ten. Running time in the third is the best idea...

Goldy Gopher · Post by **Goldy Gopher** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:06 pm

Zamman wrote:i do not know about you, but I would feel cheated out of someof my $6 if the game was called when someone scored ten. Running time in the third is the best idea...

Also a very good point, didn't even think about it from a fan's perspective.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:06 pm

The running clock solves the problem most of the time but every once in a while the game is out of hand too early. Refs should have the right to shut a game down when they see fit. Who knows maybe they already have the right. Nothing good can come from a game where one side has to try and not do their job.

Let the Ref be the bad guy and turn off the clock. The team getting worked saves face and the team doing the working doesn't have to not try.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:13 pm

Personally I am a St Thomas fan and I went to a game last year where they beat Mahtomedi 7-1. I left when the score was 5-0 because it was was boring. St Thomas was dominant in every way and Mahtomedi had no chance. Obviously you want your team to win, but aside from the guy who said watching Sleepy Eye play Holy Angels would be fun no body likes to watch a slaughtering. There is a reason there is a higher attendance at certain games. The games with the higher attendance where losing your $6 would matter with the most fans this wouldn't happen.

chedderhead69 · Post by **chedderhead69** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:47 pm

Wisconsin has gone to running time in the second if it a 6 goal lead or more. That has cut down on some of crazy lop-sided scores. I think most coaches try and prevent this, but then there are some who I think push it also...which is kind of sad.

PASTRAPIDSFAN · Post by **PASTRAPIDSFAN** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:50 pm

chedderhead69 wrote:Wisconsin has gone to running time in the second if it a 6 goal lead or more. That has cut down on some of crazy lop-sided scores. I think most coaches try and prevent this, but then there are some who I think push it also...which is kind of sad.

Running time in the second i feel is way to early,the third period works good.

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:58 pm

They use the ten run rule in baseball because there is no set time for a game. We have 3- 17 minute periods. Running time in the third period work fine. Besides, those third and fourth liners need to learn to score some goals and build some stats too.

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:06 pm

Keep scoring, unless the other team is brutal. Then give them a break.

SB24 · Post by **SB24** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:08 pm

This is rediculous, shut the game down early? Most people rag on the HS league for not allowing enough games in the first place. So now we should cut the games we do get to schedule down to two periods? i don't think many people would go for that. The third and fourth lines benefit from games like this. The team on the wrong side might get their feelings hurt? so what, life isn't fair, get over it.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:27 pm

Good point. I have been convinced. What do those handful of people that like to complain about Holy Angels running up the score have to say about this?

Is a 27-0 victory acceptable in a Moorhead/Monticello game?
If Hill had a good game and the Stars were off, would it be acceptable for them to shut out the Stars 27-0?

Ankles Pierre, Jr. · Post by **Ankles Pierre, Jr.** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:36 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:If Hill had a good game and the Stars were off, would it be acceptable for them to shut out the Stars 27-0?

Maybe, however...
Hill 27
STA 0...
DEFINITELY!

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:39 pm

On thing to remember, Moorhead did not schedule that game with Monticello. That was a sectional playoff game. If a team is capable of crushing a team that badly, they would not and should not schedule that game.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:51 pm

If teams would police it themselves I wouldn't care, but Moorhead, Holy Angels, Century, etc have all put up ridiculous goal totals and the box scores show that they don't sit down their top lines. Big margins of victory are a given, but to intentionally run up the score serves no purpose other than to try and get some kid points. Each individual situation is different and therefore no blanket rule would really work.

I've seen a Faribault team come back from a 6 goal defit in the third period to tie a game and I've seen a 6 goal deficit turn into a 15 goal deficit in a third period as well. I think you need to leave it up to the officials on the ice to determine if the score is being run up. They are watching and impartail. They know what kids are on the ice and at what position. They know the quality of goaltending and play the opponent is putting up. For instance if a team dresses 20 kids and the margin hits 10 and the top 10 kids are still seeing a significant amount of ice time, that's just wrong, however what if the team only dresses 14 skaters? Give the officails the power to warn a coach that in their opinion they're intentionally running up the score and that they'll have to report it. All it takes is forwarding a copy of the score sheet to the MSHSL.

In officiating football in the case of unsportsmanlike conduct, the referee has the option of sending a letter to the MSHSL which is forwarded to the school administration and coach of both teams involved explaining what happened. In most cases this is taken seriously because it happens so rarely, in all my years of officiating I can think of only one occurance in a game in which I was involved and I've heard of just a few others.

lecavalier88 · Post by **lecavalier88** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:01 pm

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:02 pm

Wow, AP with another worthless post.

But I do agree with him on this. If a good team is playing another good team, go to town if you can. But against a bad team, I think there should be something to stop them. If your 4th line is better than the other team's 1st, no much you can do, and something should be done.

holdin the stick · Post by **holdin the stick** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:03 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:Wow, AP with another worthless post.

But I do agree with him on this. If a good team is playing another good team, go to town if you can. But against a bad team, I think there should be something to stop them. If your 4th line is better than the other team's 1st, no much you can do, and something should be done.

But how will the good teams pad their stats

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:12 pm

Why do you need to pad your stats?

holdin the stick · Post by **holdin the stick** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:15 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:Why do you need to pad your stats?

I dont play hockey anymore.

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