Section 6AA 2006-7

[ghshockeyfan]

SEC # RK PV TEAM RATING RK RATING GP W L T
6 1 1 Eden Prairie 9509.087 11 34.935 31 31 0 0
6 2 2 Benilde-St. Margarets 449.615 25 40.407 27 23 4 0
6 3 3 Wayzata 370.798 1 26.714 28 20 8 0
6 4 4 Edina 267.626 3 29.481 27 17 7 3
6 5 5 Hopkins 146.220 12 35.885 26 17 8 1
6 6 6 Chaska 68.340 48 51.000 26 17 8 1
6 7 8 Bloom. Jefferson 18.974 33 45.769 26 11 14 1
6 8 7 Prior Lake 18.837 55 54.296 27 14 13 0
6 9 9 Minnetonka 17.138 40 48.480 25 11 13 1

[trilogy]

I look at this list and I think what a shame, several good teams here that will never see a state tournament. So much talent in one section.

[ghshockeyfan]

I look at this list and I think what a shame, several good teams here that will never see a state tournament. So much talent in one section.

For this same sort of reason we should seed the state tourney by the way to avoid playing the championship in the QF...

This is also why maybe 7 sections and an 8th as a playoff of the 7 runner-ups would be best... Like the boys had long ago, but this won't happen...

Ideally we'd seed the sections & toureys based on power - meaning that the top 8 teams in the state woudl get their own section to come out of. But, that would mean that there would need to be 8 "host sites" that would host a 3-day 8-team section tourney one weekend between end of regular season & state tourney. I think it would be great to have this "regional" setup basd on power, but it's not economical nor feasible...

the sites could be determined, and you could play the secions all the way out (including 3rd/consolation/7th) - end the season for all but champion teams... Problem is that all teams may need to travel for this weekend and that woudl be problematic but would be neat I think...

Here would be the T1 sections for last year -

Funny that CR & EP end up in same section as do Wayzata & Edina...

SECTION RK CLASS TEAM RATING
1 1 AA Eden Prairie 5050.090
1 16 AA Coon Rapids 190.014
1 24 AA St. Paul Blades 89.147
1 32 AA Grand Rapids/Greenway 49.772
1 40 AA St. Francis/North Branch 29.964
1 48 A Totino-Grace 19.491
1 56 A Mankato West 15.461
1 64 AA Mounds View 8.226


2 2 AA Stillwater 721.142
2 15 AA Bemidji 202.813
2 23 AA Elk River 104.512
2 31 AA Hill-Murray Pioneers 52.401
2 39 AA Hastings 33.768
2 47 AA Eastview 19.494
2 55 AA Lakev. North 16.418
2 63 A Simley 9.189


3 3 AA Benilde-St. Margarets 547.955
3 14 A Warroad 204.675
3 22 AA Anoka 126.364
3 30 AA Moorhead 53.391
3 38 AA Blaine 37.608
3 46 A Mahtomedi 19.605
3 54 AA Sartell/Sauk Rapids Stormn Sabres 16.498
3 62 AA Owatonna 9.664


4 4 AA North St. Paul Polars 466.016
4 13 A Hibbing 211.494
4 21 AA Eagan 155.744
4 29 A New Prague 57.244
4 37 AA Chisago Lakes/Pine City 37.806
4 45 AA Bloom. Jefferson 19.934
4 53 AA Prior Lake 16.915
4 61 A Roseau 12.245


5 5 AA Cloquet/Esko/Carlton 452.276
5 12 AA Academy of Holy Angels 212.013
5 20 AA Hopkins 157.034
5 28 AA Maple Grove 59.661
5 36 AA St. Cld. Tech 44.462
5 44 A Silver Bay/Two Harbors 20.374
5 52 AA Proctor/Hermantown/Marshall 17.748
5 60 AA Apple Valley 12.268


6 6 AA Roseville 394.796
6 11 AA Burnsville 216.981
6 19 AA Centennial 167.802
6 27 AA Chaska 75.830
6 35 A Crookston 45.331
6 43 AA Forest Lake 20.705
6 51 A Austin 18.122
6 59 AA Cambridge-Isanti 13.800


7 7 AA Wayzata 309.030
7 10 AA Edina 235.252
7 18 AA Henry Sibley 169.417
7 26 A Farmington 76.271
7 34 A Alexandria 45.906
7 42 A Shakopee 23.577
7 50 AA Duluth East 18.715
7 58 A New Ulm 13.846


8 8 A South St. Paul 244.910
8 9 AA Cretin-Derham Hall 236.256
8 17 A Blake 181.317
8 25 AA Roch. Mayo 76.659
8 33 AA White Bear Lake 46.002
8 41 AA Park Center 23.580
8 49 AA Minnetonka 18.859
8 57 AA Irondale 15.008


The same could be done for A/T2

[ghshockeyfan]

KRACH SAYS:

PV TEAM RATING SOSRK SOSRATING GP W L T PTS GF AVG GA AVG PCT
1 Eden Prairie 766.151 48 51.909 11 11 0 0 22 70 6.36 17 1.55 1.000
2 Edina 658.301 8 34.500 16 14 0 2 30 75 4.69 24 1.50 0.938
3 Benilde-St. Margarets 394.660 12 37.786 15 13 2 0 26 84 5.60 23 1.53 0.867
4 Wayzata 192.689 1 27.071 14 9 2 3 21 45 3.21 29 2.07 0.750
5 Hopkins 44.045 6 33.235 17 8 7 2 18 47 2.76 40 2.35 0.529
6 Prior Lake 27.515 64 61.667 12 8 3 1 17 41 3.42 23 1.92 0.708
7 Minnetonka 16.921 19 40.786 15 6 8 1 13 30 2.00 32 2.13 0.433
8 Bloom. Jefferson 9.504 53 52.857 14 5 8 1 11 32 2.29 50 3.57 0.393
9 Chaska 7.584 34 46.538 13 4 9 0 8 34 2.62 54 4.15 0.308

[MNHockeyFan]

KRACH SAYS:

PV TEAM RATING SOSRK SOSRATING GP W L T PTS GF AVG GA AVG PCT
1 Eden Prairie 766.151 48 51.909 11 11 0 0 22 70 6.36 17 1.55 1.000
2 Edina 658.301 8 34.500 16 14 0 2 30 75 4.69 24 1.50 0.938
3 Benilde-St. Margarets 394.660 12 37.786 15 13 2 0 26 84 5.60 23 1.53 0.867
4 Wayzata 192.689 1 27.071 14 9 2 3 21 45 3.21 29 2.07 0.750
5 Hopkins 44.045 6 33.235 17 8 7 2 18 47 2.76 40 2.35 0.529
6 Prior Lake 27.515 64 61.667 12 8 3 1 17 41 3.42 23 1.92 0.708
7 Minnetonka 16.921 19 40.786 15 6 8 1 13 30 2.00 32 2.13 0.433
8 Bloom. Jefferson 9.504 53 52.857 14 5 8 1 11 32 2.29 50 3.57 0.393
9 Chaska 7.584 34 46.538 13 4 9 0 8 34 2.62 54 4.15 0.308

This section should just break off and have their own state tournament.

[ghshockeyfan]

KRACH SAYS:

PV TEAM RATING SOSRK SOSRATING GP W L T PTS GF AVG GA AVG PCT
1 Eden Prairie 766.151 48 51.909 11 11 0 0 22 70 6.36 17 1.55 1.000
2 Edina 658.301 8 34.500 16 14 0 2 30 75 4.69 24 1.50 0.938
3 Benilde-St. Margarets 394.660 12 37.786 15 13 2 0 26 84 5.60 23 1.53 0.867
4 Wayzata 192.689 1 27.071 14 9 2 3 21 45 3.21 29 2.07 0.750
5 Hopkins 44.045 6 33.235 17 8 7 2 18 47 2.76 40 2.35 0.529
6 Prior Lake 27.515 64 61.667 12 8 3 1 17 41 3.42 23 1.92 0.708
7 Minnetonka 16.921 19 40.786 15 6 8 1 13 30 2.00 32 2.13 0.433
8 Bloom. Jefferson 9.504 53 52.857 14 5 8 1 11 32 2.29 50 3.57 0.393
9 Chaska 7.584 34 46.538 13 4 9 0 8 34 2.62 54 4.15 0.308

This section should just break off and have their own state tournament.

I know that they pack 'em in for this Section final @ Parade and it's great hockey! Too bad only one of these teams can advance!

[MNHockeyFan]

Just curious, under what circumstances would the powers that be decide that it might make sense to realign the sections a bit, especially as respects the teams based in the Twin Cities where distance isn't as much of an issue. Who makes these decisions and would it affect more than just girls hockey?

It would be nice to see a little more equity with regards to this section in particular, and at the same time would probably make the state tournament a better event also.

[Roman Legion]

The MSHSL realigns the sections every 2 years in all sports. That process will happen for next season. Although, I agree with you that the sections should change for a better state tournament, that is not the goal of the MSHSL. They want a geographic representation to the tournaments, not a competitive tournament.

One thing that will have little impact for girls hockey, but could have a big impact in some other sports, is that the MSHSL will now begin to take into account free and reduced lunch students. Those students will not be counted completely into a schools' count like they have before. Thus schools that have high counts of free and reduced will most likely move down in class. And any school that has over 50% free and reduced can appeal to go one class lower in any or all sports. Again might not have a huge impact in a 2 class sport like hockey. You could see some up and coming suburbs move up to "AA". The other thing that is changing is the count will now be grades 9-12 instead of 10-12 like in the paast.

[ghshockeyfan]

The MSHSL realigns the sections every 2 years in all sports. That process will happen for next season. Although, I agree with you that the sections should change for a better state tournament, that is not the goal of the MSHSL. They want a geographic representation to the tournaments, not a competitive tournament.

One thing that will have little impact for girls hockey, but could have a big impact in some other sports, is that the MSHSL will now begin to take into account free and reduced lunch students. Those students will not be counted completely into a schools' count like they have before. Thus schools that have high counts of free and reduced will most likely move down in class. And any school that has over 50% free and reduced can appeal to go one class lower in any or all sports. Again might not have a huge impact in a 2 class sport like hockey. You could see some up and coming suburbs move up to "AA". The other thing that is changing is the count will now be grades 9-12 instead of 10-12 like in the paast.

The assisted lunch count could impact the Novas/Blades co-ps maybe? Could they go Class A then? I doubt it with so many schools, but...

As for how the 9 vs 10 thru 12 count will impact, not so sure either on this...

[ghshockeyfan]

Just curious, under what circumstances would the powers that be decide that it might make sense to realign the sections a bit, especially as respects the teams based in the Twin Cities where distance isn't as much of an issue. Who makes these decisions and would it affect more than just girls hockey?

It would be nice to see a little more equity with regards to this section in particular, and at the same time would probably make the state tournament a better event also.

This is why I like a 2-tier vs. class tourney, and I'd like it to be one that is seeded using the KRACH of course, but I'm biased! Best would be to have the top 8 teams in the state get their own sections, and so on, by power and some geographical reasoning so that we don't have 4 teams in one section that should go to state and only can send one...

We could try this, but it won't happen, as we (girls) voted down seeding the state tourney even!?!? (I think that was the case anyway - not sure on this???) (I think the goal of seeding state is to eliminate 1st round championship games?)...

[Roman Legion]

As much sense as a tier system would make the MSHSL is committed to geographic representation. From what I understand they use a GPS and everything. I have barked up this tree quite a bit. It will not change in the near future.

Any school that has over 50% free and reduced can appeal to the MSHSL and they will be moved. From what I have seen all of the schools in Mpls. are over 50%. So I assume that the Novas would be able to appeal to move down to "A". You could see "emerging suburbs" move up to "AA", like Farmington. With the switch to 9-12, I assume there 9th grade is bigger than the previous classes. I am not sure how the law will impact co-ops that cross district lines (ie - North Metro).

[ghshockeyfan]

It would seem that there could be a way to blend the geography with the tier/seeded system. Designate a NW, NE & S section and leave as is but allow for 5 "metro" sections to be seeded (via a ranking) with 5 top metro teams in their own sections & other teams assigned accordingly by ranking...

Novas & Blades could be Class A then based on 50% rule I suppose - as long as they don't still hold them to a threshold even with all the schools at 50%.

As to the 9th vs. 10th - great point on the "up & coming" suburbs...

[xk1]

With the "lunch rule", the metro teams that could opt down to A would only add to the problem by making the Metro A sections even stronger while leaving outstate sections the same.

The geography argument is amusing, all of the sections now include mtro teams, ER has won 8, LV 1 and the day may be coming where the north mtro teams will replace CEC so perhaps they need to rethink AA. Who knows wht will happen with a new transfer rule and however the privates shake out.

[Roman Legion]

I am not sure if the lunch rule will have a big impact on A teams in the metro. Most first ring suburban schools are already in the A class. Simley, South St. Paul, Richfield, North Metro schools before the merger, etc. The only ones that I can think of are the Mpls and St Paul co-ops.

I think it will be 80 and sunny all winter before the MSHSL goes to a tiered system. Sorry GHS.

[trilogy]

I would put a lone vote on this poll if it was still enabled and give Wayzata a chance to upset in 6AA. After a bit of a rough start with some troublesome ties, they are looking stronger. With Benilde on Sat, followed by Hopkins, EP and Edina on January's schedule, they will have all the preparation they need come section playoffs.

[ghshockeyfan]

KRACH as of 1-24 AM:

RK TEAM RATING SOS RK SOS RATING GP W L T PTS GF AVG GA AVG PCT
1 Eden Prairie 1977.530 36 47.150 20 20 0 0 40 117 5.85 23 1.15 1.000
2 Edina 887.718 3 28.636 22 19 0 3 41 95 4.32 36 1.64 0.932
3 Benilde-St. Margarets 310.354 22 41.333 22 18 3 1 37 132 6.00 35 1.59 0.841
4 Wayzata 120.640 1 23.200 20 10 6 4 24 53 2.65 44 2.20 0.600
5 Hopkins 75.190 6 33.043 23 13 8 2 28 71 3.09 47 2.04 0.609
6 Minnetonka 23.706 19 39.619 22 9 10 3 21 48 2.18 48 2.18 0.477
7 Prior Lake 18.618 61 58.227 22 12 8 2 26 73 3.32 56 2.55 0.591
8 Bloom. Jefferson 11.996 40 47.800 20 7 11 2 16 53 2.65 82 4.10 0.400
9 Chaska 11.195 24 42.857 21 7 14 0 14 55 2.62 81 3.86 0.333

[ghshockeyfan]

KRACH as of 1-24 AM:

RK TEAM RATING SOS RK SOS RATING GP W L T PTS GF AVG GA AVG PCT
1 Eden Prairie 1977.530 36 47.150 20 20 0 0 40 117 5.85 23 1.15 1.000
2 Edina 887.718 3 28.636 22 19 0 3 41 95 4.32 36 1.64 0.932
3 Benilde-St. Margarets 310.354 22 41.333 22 18 3 1 37 132 6.00 35 1.59 0.841
4 Wayzata 120.640 1 23.200 20 10 6 4 24 53 2.65 44 2.20 0.600
5 Hopkins 75.190 6 33.043 23 13 8 2 28 71 3.09 47 2.04 0.609
6 Minnetonka 23.706 19 39.619 22 9 10 3 21 48 2.18 48 2.18 0.477
7 Prior Lake 18.618 61 58.227 22 12 8 2 26 73 3.32 56 2.55 0.591
8 Bloom. Jefferson 11.996 40 47.800 20 7 11 2 16 53 2.65 82 4.10 0.400
9 Chaska 11.195 24 42.857 21 7 14 0 14 55 2.62 81 3.86 0.333

This section is absolutely unbelievable!!! 4 of the top 10 teams in the state!!! 6 of the top 20!!!

[MNHockeyFan]

This section is absolutely unbelievable!!! 4 of the top 10 teams in the state!!! 6 of the top 20!!!

ghs, do you know if the AA sections are due for a realignment before the start of next season. I believe you said somewhere that they look at this every other year, and I don't think there were changes made before this season. If this is considered for next year, what do you think the chances are that this section will be broken up to spread these teams out a bit?

[AAFC]

Section re-alignment - remember that everyone loves the underdog so don't expect it to happen. That's even more likely with Section 6 being relatively contiguous geography-wise already.

If the Powers That Be can load up a lot of top teams in one section, only one of those big dogs will make it to State.

That of course increases the likelihood that a little dog from another section will make it to the Final, and everyone wants to see David whip Goliath, to mix metaphors, or whatever those English teachers say....

[Bensonmum]

from the MSHSL website:

"....the re-classification cycle for all activities for the 2007-2008 & 2008-2009 school years will begin in January 2007. "

[SEMetro]

Throwing away geography and realigning AA sections based upon this week's current rankings would be senseless. Not one of the top teams from Section 6 are blowing out the other top teams from around the state. EP has had 6 one goal games and, while undefeated, has played several teams in the bottom of the rankings (Rosemount x2, BK, etc.). IMO, 7 of the 8 sections have at least one team that could win AA state and a few have 2-3 teams that could realistically win it all.

And, if the transfer rules kick in, there will be power shifts.

[MNHockeyFan]

Throwing away geography and realigning AA sections based upon this week's current rankings would be senseless. Not one of the top teams from Section 6 are blowing out the other top teams from around the state. EP has had 6 one goal games and, while undefeated, has played several teams in the bottom of the rankings (Rosemount x2, BK, etc.). IMO, 7 of the 8 sections have at least one team that could win AA state and a few have 2-3 teams that could realistically win it all.

And, if the transfer rules kick in, there will be power shifts.

While everything you say may be true, I see nothing magical about aligning the Twin City based team based solely on geography. It typically takes winning just three games to make it to state, and with the way some of the conferences are aligned there is more travel involved in playing out your regular season schedule. If one of the goals for the State Tourney is to showcase the state's best talent, why not take advantage of the semi-annual sections re-alignment to help accomplish this?

[SEMetro]

You have to do the outstate sections by geography. Many section games are on school nights. You can't get 4 rounds of games in one week-end. Mayo is not going to play Moorhead on a Tuesday night.

Scrambling the north/south/east/west metro sections based on rankings will ensure less students will travel to play-off games. Natural rivalries exist in sections which makes hockey play-offs (boys and girls) great to watch.

Two other AA metro sections have 4 ranked teams. Is BSM going to get to state for sure if it is in section 5 with AHA, Burnsville, Eagan and Cretin? Or section 3 with Centenial, Stillwater, Blaine and Irondale? Are these sections that much worse that Wayzata, EP and Edina such that we need to change all the rules?

[MNHockeyFan]

You have to do the outstate sections by geography. Many section games are on school nights. You can't get 4 rounds of games in one week-end. Mayo is not going to play Moorhead on a Tuesday night.

I agree that only minor tweaking should be made for the outstate sections. But bear in mind that right now you've got two Twin Cities area teams in Section 1, three in Section 7, and two in Section 8. This is a necessity because without them these sections wouldn't be big enough. All the other area teams should remain together, but minor adjustments could be made with the Twin City area teams.

Scrambling the north/south/east/west metro sections based on rankings will ensure less students will travel to play-off games. Natural rivalries exist in sections which makes hockey play-offs (boys and girls) great to watch.

If you look closely they are not as divided along geographic lines as you might think. For example the two Bloomington schools are not in the same section. Edina is much closer to Holy Angels than Prior Lake or Chaska. Armstrong is much closer to Wayzata and Minnetonka than Andover and Coon Rapids, etc. There are many other examples the way it is now if geography is all that matters, which it shouldn't.

Two other AA metro sections have 4 ranked teams. Is BSM going to get to state for sure if it is in section 5 with AHA, Burnsville, Eagan and Cretin? Or section 3 with Centenial, Stillwater, Blaine and Irondale? Are these sections that much worse that Wayzata, EP and Edina such that we need to change all the rules?

No one is advocating changing all the "rules", if there are any rules now. I'm not advocating that Prior Lake go all the way to Stillwater, or Hastings go all the way to Rogers/Zimmerman. And I'm not saying that the other sections don't have some good teams. But clearly the way it is right now Section 6 is by far the strongest, and the next realignment could and should address the situation, even it results in a few teams having to travel 5-10 miles farther to play a game or two. The section games are all about the State Tournament, and for the second year in a row, two of the state's Top 5 teams cannot be represented, and it's quite possible that these two will have gone undefeated during the regular season.

[notahockeyguy]

The mshsl does not care how good you are. They are all about participation. Their model is based on geography and nothing else. They don't care how good you are or who you are. BSM is in section 5 or 6 for almost all sports and that is where they belong geography wise according to the model