2006-07 Bantam B1 preview
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I think we have burned this to death, but I was just going through all of the other comments you wonderful people have provided, and I found one just too funny I couldn't resist. Now lets not take this to serious, and it is meant to be funny.
flipshot said parent coaches should sit in the stands with all the other parents. Get that...with all the other parents.......
All of the parents are behind the oppositions bench heckling.
flipshot said parent coaches should sit in the stands with all the other parents. Get that...with all the other parents.......
All of the parents are behind the oppositions bench heckling.
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who was the ep parent whistling? tell that mom to stop now!fbj123 wrote:great game chaska. unfortunatley tomASS, ep played an incredibly bad. i dont think that they caught one pass, or won a single race to a 50/50 puck. with this loss i think that the d6 playoff gap has closed significantly.
on a depressing note, i was very upset at a chaska parent who at the end of the game was shouting, "down goes fraiser." i have a few problems with this. one: your team played great, so what. it was ep's worst game and probally your best game. two: this shows that the parent might be incurably inept at noticing when a team plays bad and walks all over them, he should have known that his comments werent necesary. in all my years of hockey i have never seen a parent act as immature as this guy. why couldnt he be happy about the fact that his team won and played great, and not focus on making another teams already terrible night even worse. this is youth hockey, please respect every team.
overall though, Chaska you guys played out of your minds and good luck to you the rest of the way. i hope to see you guys play ep again and maybe ep will show up to play this time.
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Letsrepresent19
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plus the 4th #19 represetn!-
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fbj123 wrote:so you are saying that if someone acts immaturely to someone else, the person who is acted upon doesnt have the right to do what he thinks is right? all im trying to say is that what this guy said was un called for. CHaska: just be happy that you won. you guys played great, but dont think that it will happen every night.
when is it ilegal to yell down goes frasier? parents should calm down. jsut chill
+ My team (chaska) has finally gotten into the stage where we are focusing 30 min b4 games in the lockerroom. Its our turn now.!
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NikeBauer, its my opinion. I've watched the behaviors and I know you guys had high hopes this season with your peewee season a couple of years ago. Everyone thought you guys would dominate, and for good reason. Truth is, you have been good but not great. If I'm wrong then you have the right to tell me, that is what this great message board is all about!
By the way, thanks for the compliment, I do know-it-all.
By the way, thanks for the compliment, I do know-it-all.
WOW go off to NYC for a day's business trip and the Arena's ice melts and the locker room doors are blown off their hinges.
Never being anyone to run and hide, I am the one that uttered the phrase, "down goes Frazier". If I had to do it again, I probably would not have got caught up in the moment. It was done in a celebratory way after the open-net goal was scored. It was not intended to taunt. It was done to celebrate the victory in my best Howard Cosell impression. I was ecstatic of what just happened. Not a miracle on ice but a very unexpected result in my opinion.
Beating EP is always a very big and unexpected event here in Chaska and if you recall, my expectations of any hope were very low based on how the boys were DOA against Burnsville and the fact no one in D6 had beaten EP Red. I am not always a stoic Norwegian
You can take any position you want regarding my actions. I'm perfectly ok being called immature, a jerk, classless, or whatever you want to call me since my action may warrant it. It was an remote incident. I am not a very politically correct person and I would rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not. As you are throwing stones and rotten tomatoes, just remember the shelter you live in or the clothes you wear or the unknown personal actions one will take on the path each of us walk everyday.
Jim Buffet sings it well for wrong actions taken:
" There's a fine line between Saturday night and Sunday morning"
In most people's minds posting here, I ended up staying too long in the Saturday night portion and I wished now that I would have just gone on to Sunday morning.
The wrath of my wife is the only punishment I am really concerned about.
I truly can't believe the uproar and how some components are already distorted. Lets see it wasn't done to taunt, there was no name-calling, no vulgarity, there was nothing shouted prior during the game against or at any of the players or coaches. Though I wish now I wouldn't have said it, I truly believe the anger and disgust behind the opinions are due more to the loss then what I said or did. 74 minutes of good behavior and 30 seconds of poor judgement that I am now responsible for - I think it was more an isolated incident of poor judgement than an intentional act of provocation.
I would advise the all hockey players, parents and, coaches to toughen up a bit. It gets much worse in HS sports. Of course it is coming from immature students rather than idiotic parents (me). It can be brutal on the soccer sidelines. You know how I disfuse that situation? I will turn around, smile at the section, and applaud, and ask them to do it again because it was so good. After the game I tell them that their team is lucky to have fans that support them and I shake their hands.
I typically take it in good fun or say nothing knowing someday my team will exact revenge on the field.
I grew up with grandpa telling me that sticks and stones might break your bones but words will never hurt you (unless you let them). I didn't anticpate such an interpretation of hurt behind those words.
The point is I don't take myself too seriously and I'm always the first one to poke fun at myself before others. I am also typically one of the few parents congratulating the opposition as they leave the arena if they have beaten Chaska. When Edina Green came back and tied Chaska in their first game I was the guy congratulating them all as they left the building on out working us in the 3rd to get the tie.
So to get the facts squared away
1) yes I was the dolt that twice uttered the phrase, "Down goes Frazier"
2) I am not a hockey coach for Chaska, just a double-wide trailer park parent from hicksville. I was born in a basement and never brought up.
2) I always stand far end right side from our goal (blueblood knows why - we will just leave it at being supersitious) the position is never taken to incite or taunt the opposing teams. I respect the efforts that all players put forward (see past posts)
3) I typically stand alone - I had a friend next to me this time. Maybe having someone to celebrate with was the added ingrediant that sent the foam over the top of the glass.
4) I never approached the EP coaches to confront them - I had to walk past the benches to get out of the arena since the Zamboni was blocking my other escape route. Fortunately the other Ep coaches had better self control.
5) for those of you who believe that my brain matter is that of the fecal substance found in soiled diapers, you should know something. I will never ever start a fight, but I will never ever back down from defending myself from bullies of any size or IQ. I am highly skilled and extremly confident in being able to defend myself in most situations. For those instance where I might fail, my lawyer's number is on speed dial as are my Sopranos connections in NYC/NJ ( ok that was satire don't take it seriously).
6) The the threat of bodily harm can be dismissed, There is no need for any reports to D6. I never felt in harm's way and the invitation into the parking lot I believed to be an invitation for a beer (that's how it's done in soccer) . Yeah, Zindane and the Italian defender he head-butted went out for beers afterwards...didn't you know that? The hot head is EP's concern not mine. That's how we do it in soccer. If the Ep coaching staff wanted to sit down and discuss the subject over beers and get an apology from me I would have no problem doing that and would expect that we would have a good time (as long as they acknowledged it was a pretty original line). I'll even buy the first round
(just to make sure nothing is added to my beer)
7) What I am most regretful of is the fact this overblown action takes away from the great effort and result achieved by these boys against a team that I consider to be one of the best in the state (see earlier post comments about them) It was a very good game.
also regretful that now this action can be used as incentive for EP Red if the teams meet again in districts. I know as a player it would fuel my fire. So much for wanting to fly underneath the radar.
9) no one from chaska previous to this game had ever been singing high praise for this team. My comments have always been one of under achievers that had great ability but refused to play as a team and make each other better. My comments on Red have always been positive on their play.
I'll bring duct tape to the next game and let my wife use the dog's training collar on me if need be. This was an not the norm for me, however my moniker tomASS was taken for a reason, because I know at times I can be considered a smart-a** for my cutting comments. If you know me, you know I speak my mind and do not sugar coat things - this time, my timing and volume was used in poor judgement in a bad location.
Burnsville vs. Tonka will be a very good game to watch. That will be a very good match-up. The Blaze always float the weak side wing and try to hit the long cross ice passes. Their breakouts are like the old Green Bay Packer sweep - you know what is coming, now try to stop it! Very predictable but executed extremely well - done with precision and speed. Screw up their timing and you can create turnovers. Is it at Tonka or Burnsville?
PS - closed circuit to #19 - Chaska has no reason to be talking smack - one game does not make you better than your dismal performance in Burnsville. Celebrate the victory but, it is now history, it is what you do in the remaining games that will matter. Do it every game consistently until your season is finally over before judging your ability. One game does not make you a great team it only says you played well that game and that game alone. Play that way the rest of the season and my opinion will change, but you have done nothing of sustained substance to have earned anything yet ( just a soccer coach to a hockey player).
You will only gain what you are willing earn on the ice game in and game out.
Never being anyone to run and hide, I am the one that uttered the phrase, "down goes Frazier". If I had to do it again, I probably would not have got caught up in the moment. It was done in a celebratory way after the open-net goal was scored. It was not intended to taunt. It was done to celebrate the victory in my best Howard Cosell impression. I was ecstatic of what just happened. Not a miracle on ice but a very unexpected result in my opinion.
Beating EP is always a very big and unexpected event here in Chaska and if you recall, my expectations of any hope were very low based on how the boys were DOA against Burnsville and the fact no one in D6 had beaten EP Red. I am not always a stoic Norwegian
You can take any position you want regarding my actions. I'm perfectly ok being called immature, a jerk, classless, or whatever you want to call me since my action may warrant it. It was an remote incident. I am not a very politically correct person and I would rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not. As you are throwing stones and rotten tomatoes, just remember the shelter you live in or the clothes you wear or the unknown personal actions one will take on the path each of us walk everyday.
Jim Buffet sings it well for wrong actions taken:
" There's a fine line between Saturday night and Sunday morning"
In most people's minds posting here, I ended up staying too long in the Saturday night portion and I wished now that I would have just gone on to Sunday morning.
The wrath of my wife is the only punishment I am really concerned about.
I truly can't believe the uproar and how some components are already distorted. Lets see it wasn't done to taunt, there was no name-calling, no vulgarity, there was nothing shouted prior during the game against or at any of the players or coaches. Though I wish now I wouldn't have said it, I truly believe the anger and disgust behind the opinions are due more to the loss then what I said or did. 74 minutes of good behavior and 30 seconds of poor judgement that I am now responsible for - I think it was more an isolated incident of poor judgement than an intentional act of provocation.
I would advise the all hockey players, parents and, coaches to toughen up a bit. It gets much worse in HS sports. Of course it is coming from immature students rather than idiotic parents (me). It can be brutal on the soccer sidelines. You know how I disfuse that situation? I will turn around, smile at the section, and applaud, and ask them to do it again because it was so good. After the game I tell them that their team is lucky to have fans that support them and I shake their hands.
I typically take it in good fun or say nothing knowing someday my team will exact revenge on the field.
I grew up with grandpa telling me that sticks and stones might break your bones but words will never hurt you (unless you let them). I didn't anticpate such an interpretation of hurt behind those words.
The point is I don't take myself too seriously and I'm always the first one to poke fun at myself before others. I am also typically one of the few parents congratulating the opposition as they leave the arena if they have beaten Chaska. When Edina Green came back and tied Chaska in their first game I was the guy congratulating them all as they left the building on out working us in the 3rd to get the tie.
So to get the facts squared away
1) yes I was the dolt that twice uttered the phrase, "Down goes Frazier"
2) I am not a hockey coach for Chaska, just a double-wide trailer park parent from hicksville. I was born in a basement and never brought up.
2) I always stand far end right side from our goal (blueblood knows why - we will just leave it at being supersitious) the position is never taken to incite or taunt the opposing teams. I respect the efforts that all players put forward (see past posts)
3) I typically stand alone - I had a friend next to me this time. Maybe having someone to celebrate with was the added ingrediant that sent the foam over the top of the glass.
4) I never approached the EP coaches to confront them - I had to walk past the benches to get out of the arena since the Zamboni was blocking my other escape route. Fortunately the other Ep coaches had better self control.
5) for those of you who believe that my brain matter is that of the fecal substance found in soiled diapers, you should know something. I will never ever start a fight, but I will never ever back down from defending myself from bullies of any size or IQ. I am highly skilled and extremly confident in being able to defend myself in most situations. For those instance where I might fail, my lawyer's number is on speed dial as are my Sopranos connections in NYC/NJ ( ok that was satire don't take it seriously).
6) The the threat of bodily harm can be dismissed, There is no need for any reports to D6. I never felt in harm's way and the invitation into the parking lot I believed to be an invitation for a beer (that's how it's done in soccer) . Yeah, Zindane and the Italian defender he head-butted went out for beers afterwards...didn't you know that? The hot head is EP's concern not mine. That's how we do it in soccer. If the Ep coaching staff wanted to sit down and discuss the subject over beers and get an apology from me I would have no problem doing that and would expect that we would have a good time (as long as they acknowledged it was a pretty original line). I'll even buy the first round
(just to make sure nothing is added to my beer)
7) What I am most regretful of is the fact this overblown action takes away from the great effort and result achieved by these boys against a team that I consider to be one of the best in the state (see earlier post comments about them) It was a very good game.
also regretful that now this action can be used as incentive for EP Red if the teams meet again in districts. I know as a player it would fuel my fire. So much for wanting to fly underneath the radar.9) no one from chaska previous to this game had ever been singing high praise for this team. My comments have always been one of under achievers that had great ability but refused to play as a team and make each other better. My comments on Red have always been positive on their play.
I'll bring duct tape to the next game and let my wife use the dog's training collar on me if need be. This was an not the norm for me, however my moniker tomASS was taken for a reason, because I know at times I can be considered a smart-a** for my cutting comments. If you know me, you know I speak my mind and do not sugar coat things - this time, my timing and volume was used in poor judgement in a bad location.
Burnsville vs. Tonka will be a very good game to watch. That will be a very good match-up. The Blaze always float the weak side wing and try to hit the long cross ice passes. Their breakouts are like the old Green Bay Packer sweep - you know what is coming, now try to stop it! Very predictable but executed extremely well - done with precision and speed. Screw up their timing and you can create turnovers. Is it at Tonka or Burnsville?
PS - closed circuit to #19 - Chaska has no reason to be talking smack - one game does not make you better than your dismal performance in Burnsville. Celebrate the victory but, it is now history, it is what you do in the remaining games that will matter. Do it every game consistently until your season is finally over before judging your ability. One game does not make you a great team it only says you played well that game and that game alone. Play that way the rest of the season and my opinion will change, but you have done nothing of sustained substance to have earned anything yet ( just a soccer coach to a hockey player).
You will only gain what you are willing earn on the ice game in and game out.
Tomass- good post. As a frequent reader but never a poster on this site I wanted to chime in. As one of the Ep coaches I saw and heard everything. It was crazy on both sides and no one should of left our bench. It happended and now it IS OVER. I will give you credit as it was a orignal line (i did chuckle) but have always been a firm believer in cheering for your own team. Thanks for stepping up and putting a end to this topic. This is a great site and I appreciate all the knowledgable hockey people. Good luck to all and the D6 playoffs should be fun to watch.
PS- tomass as you stated in point 7) of your post, any good coach would use those comments to help fire there team up. We will and appreciate the help if we meet again.
PSS-Make no mistake, Chaska played great and kicked our ass and deserved the victory and NO Ford did not keep us in the game as it was a total team loss! We will learn from it and hopefully come back stronger.
PS- tomass as you stated in point 7) of your post, any good coach would use those comments to help fire there team up. We will and appreciate the help if we meet again.
PSS-Make no mistake, Chaska played great and kicked our ass and deserved the victory and NO Ford did not keep us in the game as it was a total team loss! We will learn from it and hopefully come back stronger.
tomASS,
I have to apologize for my diaper comment. It crossed the line even for this forum. To tell you the truth, I never heard the fraser comment or witnessed any event after the game. All my information came secondary after the game from comments I heard, and if it was not for Eden Prairie night at the CCC1, I wouldn't even have been in the building. Sorry, but I just like to throw gas on fires.
I have to apologize for my diaper comment. It crossed the line even for this forum. To tell you the truth, I never heard the fraser comment or witnessed any event after the game. All my information came secondary after the game from comments I heard, and if it was not for Eden Prairie night at the CCC1, I wouldn't even have been in the building. Sorry, but I just like to throw gas on fires.
I took no offense ( I think my wife agreed with you)IM4U2C wrote:tomASS,
Sorry, but I just like to throw gas on fires.
No that would be the image of me if EP red meets Chaska again, but it will be gas that I can't take back on a fire that is already burning too hot.
ep red - I have the utmost respect for your team's play and ability and the calmer, more level heads on your bench.
Chaska - EP Red
Amen.
I've said this before (check out my posts following the BB1 Moose Tournament):
Parents get emotional in the heat of the moment. Why, because they are our children and we all want them to excel.
Time to move on to the next big D6 regualr seaosn game, which there are plenty remaining. Take your choice Minnesota Bantam B1 hockey fans this is by far the best level of hockey in any MN Hockey District. Come check these boys out!
And my2cents, give us a reason to believe a D10 team will win state. The top BB1 tournaments have been all dominated by D6 teams.
Moose Goheen - Edina White Champion
Duluth Invitational - Edina White 2nd, Chaska 3rd
Edina Invitational - Edina White Champion, EP Red 2nd, Edina Green 3rd
Midwest Regional - EP Black Champion, Jefferson 2nd
Grand Rapids - Maple Grove Champion, Edina Green 2nd
Plus:
EP Red has won 3 titles this season.
Plus Jeferson has won 2 titles
Blaine and ER have won a few Tier 2/3 tourneys, but nothing major. Put up some compelling arguments for your favorite. I'm listening....
I've said this before (check out my posts following the BB1 Moose Tournament):
Parents get emotional in the heat of the moment. Why, because they are our children and we all want them to excel.
Time to move on to the next big D6 regualr seaosn game, which there are plenty remaining. Take your choice Minnesota Bantam B1 hockey fans this is by far the best level of hockey in any MN Hockey District. Come check these boys out!
And my2cents, give us a reason to believe a D10 team will win state. The top BB1 tournaments have been all dominated by D6 teams.
Moose Goheen - Edina White Champion
Duluth Invitational - Edina White 2nd, Chaska 3rd
Edina Invitational - Edina White Champion, EP Red 2nd, Edina Green 3rd
Midwest Regional - EP Black Champion, Jefferson 2nd
Grand Rapids - Maple Grove Champion, Edina Green 2nd
Plus:
EP Red has won 3 titles this season.
Plus Jeferson has won 2 titles
Blaine and ER have won a few Tier 2/3 tourneys, but nothing major. Put up some compelling arguments for your favorite. I'm listening....
I don't believe D10 will but some thoughts
1) Elk River impressed me the one time a saw them. They took apart our team in convincing fashion. It was as impressive as how well Burnsville took apart Chaska last Saturday 4-0 and Elk River has more size and is equal in speed.
2) Blaine can play hockey in front of their mountain of a goalie. When they limit good scoring opportunities or decent puck movement in their own zone they are successful, however they have a lot of district games left so they could end up being a little exhausted come playoff time. If they lose it is always close.
3) D6 could fail to win the state championship because of the D6 playoffs actually taking too much effort out of the eventual top 3 and the teams being too beat up or just relieved to have made it out.
4) Champlin Park is leading their district but the few times I have seen them play I was not impressed with what they did on the ice.
No compelling arguments but some points of consideration (false hope for D10)
I would give D3 better odds
1) Elk River impressed me the one time a saw them. They took apart our team in convincing fashion. It was as impressive as how well Burnsville took apart Chaska last Saturday 4-0 and Elk River has more size and is equal in speed.
2) Blaine can play hockey in front of their mountain of a goalie. When they limit good scoring opportunities or decent puck movement in their own zone they are successful, however they have a lot of district games left so they could end up being a little exhausted come playoff time. If they lose it is always close.
3) D6 could fail to win the state championship because of the D6 playoffs actually taking too much effort out of the eventual top 3 and the teams being too beat up or just relieved to have made it out.
4) Champlin Park is leading their district but the few times I have seen them play I was not impressed with what they did on the ice.
No compelling arguments but some points of consideration (false hope for D10)
I would give D3 better odds
Re Blueblood/My2cents:
I disagree with both of you. I belive that D3 team has a good of chance to win state as either of your districts do. Maybe D6 should feel lucky that some D3 or D10 teams have not played in or can not get in some of these tournaments. I myself was not overly impressed with Edina Green in Grand Rapids. Maybe they had bad day or maybe not. I sure hope that D6 is not taking the rest of the districts for granted. Besides what other Districts other than D3 has won the BB1 state title?
Later
P.S. Tom=ss gotta love your emotions and balls for stepping up!!! Good luck to your squad.
I disagree with both of you. I belive that D3 team has a good of chance to win state as either of your districts do. Maybe D6 should feel lucky that some D3 or D10 teams have not played in or can not get in some of these tournaments. I myself was not overly impressed with Edina Green in Grand Rapids. Maybe they had bad day or maybe not. I sure hope that D6 is not taking the rest of the districts for granted. Besides what other Districts other than D3 has won the BB1 state title?
Later
P.S. Tom=ss gotta love your emotions and balls for stepping up!!! Good luck to your squad.
D3
Turk:
I wasn't dissin' on D3. Your team, along with Wayzata could come through in the end. I am not going to comment on Blake. Haven't seen them at all this season and they have avoided my clubs calls to them. Maybe we smell or something?
I just lookin' for my2cents to give his 2 cents on why he thinks D10 can win it all.
As for the big green machine, maybe your boys ID'd the way to knock off the greenies from hornetville.
If the other teams need any advice it's called EFFORT!
I wasn't dissin' on D3. Your team, along with Wayzata could come through in the end. I am not going to comment on Blake. Haven't seen them at all this season and they have avoided my clubs calls to them. Maybe we smell or something?
I just lookin' for my2cents to give his 2 cents on why he thinks D10 can win it all.
As for the big green machine, maybe your boys ID'd the way to knock off the greenies from hornetville.
If the other teams need any advice it's called EFFORT!
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sixbucksagallon
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Has anyone seen the latest LPH rankings? By the way, I don't know what happened the other night but it sounds to me like it should be over. I think all involved regret to some extent that it happened. More importantly, all Moorhead, Minnetonka, Edina....players, you can post what ever you want but somebody else made it clear, if you must self promote, how good can you be. It is also called Pride, or Self-pride, it is identified as a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to give compliments to others though they may be deserving of them, and excessive love of self.
This board is usually made up of good banter and information which is why it is successful. It is nice to have players opinions and thoughts about teams and games, but all of the self-promotion is ruining this forum. Please be considerate of other board members and keep this board interesting to all.
Thanks,
This board is usually made up of good banter and information which is why it is successful. It is nice to have players opinions and thoughts about teams and games, but all of the self-promotion is ruining this forum. Please be considerate of other board members and keep this board interesting to all.
Thanks,