Solving the Transfer Policy Issue

hockeygod · Post by **hockeygod** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:19 am

Just because a school system is aweful dosen't meean the communitty is Bad. and some peoplke do need different things from a school (not just athletics)

xk1 · Post by **xk1** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:20 am

There are many reasons one could choose to want to live where they do regardless of how they feel about the school. It may be close to work, they may own a Lake home or just really like their house. Perhaps they can't afford to move to Edina (not picking on Edina, they are just an icon for a nice play to send your kid to).

You have to remember, it's OK to transfer for sports only reasons now, as long as you do it in 9th grade, move or spend a year on JV (sit out).

keepitreal · Post by **keepitreal** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:36 am

hockeygod wrote:Just because a school system is aweful dosen't meean the communitty is Bad. and some peoplke do need different things from a school (not just athletics)

I won't even go so far as to implicate an entire school system. EVERY school, every class of students, has it's share of problems. For a myriad of reasons, some might feel their needs are best met at a different school. I think that's the spirit of OE as it was intended. This tightening of the rules is not out of line, but I would have hoped for some process to allow reasoned consideration without robbing the experience of a full season of varsity participation. Some may hang up their skates entirely as a result. But as xk1 says, it's time to move on.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:04 pm

xk1 wrote:You have to remember, it's OK to transfer for sports only reasons now, as long as you do it in 9th grade, move or spend a year on JV (sit out).

Could someone clarify the 9th grade requirement a bit more? As I understand it, you have to be enrolled at your new school before the start of your 9th grade year (and attend class on the first day of school) and if you do this you can play any varsity sport without penalty. Or must you be registered by an earlier date before the school year starts, such as June 15th, to avoid the penalty?

Also, as I understand it, once you start 9th grade at school A and attend even for just a day or two, transferring then to school B would mean that you would sit out all varsity sports for that school year? Or would it be a whole calendar year from the date of transfer? (i.e. someone transfering in the spring after hockey season ended could not play varsity hockey the next season at the new school)?

xk1 · Post by **xk1** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:12 pm

Case 1, for incoming 9th graders you are eligible regardless of the paperwork dates.

Not sure about case 2 but I think it's one year from transfer date. I wish one of the papers or the MSHSL would publish the actual proposal, until then one can only speculate on details.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:28 pm

xk1 wrote:Case 1, for incoming 9th graders you are eligible regardless of the paperwork dates.

Thanks for clarifying.

xk1 wrote:Not sure about case 2 but I think it's one year from transfer date. I wish one of the papers or the MSHSL would publish the actual proposal, until then one can only speculate on details.

Yes I agree but I guess we'll just have to wait and see how the new rule gets worded on this one. Certainly the one calendar year rule would be more punishing, and that does seem to be their objective.

xk1 · Post by **xk1** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:07 pm

In case 2 is a residence change involved?

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:50 pm

xk1 wrote:In case 2 is a residence change involved?

This is purely hypothetical - there is no actual situation that I am inquiring about. I was just trying to understand the new rules better (put into layman's terms) because these real life situations are sure to come up, and depending on the particulars they will influence girls' decision making.

In putting up both cases I was wondering what the rules would be without a change of residence.

xk1 · Post by **xk1** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:04 pm

The reason I asked is it's very rare to transfer after a day or 2 of school without a move.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:25 pm

xk1 wrote:The reason I asked is it's very rare to transfer after a day or 2 of school without a move.

Thanks, I used a day or two just to illustrate - could be a few months which would be more realistic. But the enforcement of the rule wouldn't make any distinction, whenever it is that a girl or her parents realize that a different high school would be better, no matter what the reason. Once she starts 9th grade, the new rule kicks in (assuming the family does not change their primary residence).

I guess the only question then is how the one year suspension period is administered, which would make a difference especially for multi-sport athletes depending on how early in the school year a girl transfers.

Maybe this has already been mentioned, but I can see where this rule could hurt someone who decides to go to a private school inititally, but through no fault of her own the family's financial situation changes, due to a loss of job, unforeseen medical expenses or whatever. It may have been somewhat of a sacrifice to begin with, and it wouldn't take much for the family not being able to no longer afford a private school. For the aspiring potential college athelete who's maybe looking a scholarship, the loss of one year's worth of varsity exposure could make the family's situation even more tenuous, as they couldn't "afford" to send their daughter back to the public school. Like others have already posted, I hope the MSHSL considers making exceptions for these types of special situations, rare as they may be.

xk1 · Post by **xk1** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:44 pm

I did see mention of an appeal process so maybe financial reasons can be taken into account at that time. I think most states allow for this without appeal and some allow you to return to your resident school without penalty.

As far your one day case goes, I d know a case where a kid started school in 9th grade then 2 days later transferred because she hated her new school. She had to sit out half a year.

golferguy · Post by **golferguy** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:03 am

What if a hockey player was to transfer after the hockey season this year, lets say around April 1 to a new school. Would the player be eligible to play for that team next year since she transferred before start of next year?

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:52 am

golferguy wrote:What if a hockey player was to transfer after the hockey season this year, lets say around April 1 to a new school. Would the player be eligible to play for that team next year since she transferred before start of next year?

No - as they'd sit out half a year in all sports under the current rule. If they wait until this Summer they'd sit out a full year under new rule. I think I have this right?

SEMetro · Post by **SEMetro** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:07 pm

I suspect that the case of someone transfer this year would not have next year's sports beyond a half year but I wouldn't take any chances until there is more clarification. One area that may not fly at all would be someone claiming that the rule should not apply to them because they had paperwork in order before the rule was in place, but did not set foot into the new school until after the rule was in place.

xk1 · Post by **xk1** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:23 pm

One area that may not fly at all would be someone claiming that the rule should not apply to them because they had paperwork in order before the rule was in place, but did not set foot into the new school until after the rule was in place.

It's kind of hard to OE, get accepted and then be in the new school prior to the first day. These people won't have to sit, they just need to be accepted by their new school prior to June 15.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:29 pm

xk1 wrote:
One area that may not fly at all would be someone claiming that the rule should not apply to them because they had paperwork in order before the rule was in place, but did not set foot into the new school until after the rule was in place.
It's kind of hard to OE, get accepted and then be in the new school prior to the first day. These people won't have to sit, they just need to be accepted by their new school prior to June 15.

Let me clairify, if you transfer during a school year currently you have to sit the current rule (half year in all sports).

There may be a small window where it's kind of up-in-the-air on the punishment for movement due to the transition to the new rule. I would assume this would be between the end of your current HS school year and the start of the new rule Jun 15??? Now, most schools will end pre-Jun 15 so there may be a week window in there where you could xfer under old policy with no punishment if 1st xfer??? The MSHSL may fix this potential loophole though too once they make the final vote???

xk1 · Post by **xk1** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:48 pm

Since the issue has been resolved, perhaps we should put this puppy to bed and move over to the new what does it mean thread.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:52 pm

xk1 wrote:Since the issue has been resolved, perhaps we should put this puppy to bed and move over to the new what does it mean thread.

Good call - & I agree!