select 14

[hockey34721]

is there a select 14 festival in minnesota.

[elliott70]

Not a USA-MN Hockey sponsored event.

[pucks04]

ya what a joke

[johnnyhockey]

I bet Bernie from MN Made has one of his own

[gopherhockey33]

he did. i think its the premier. they take the top 40 or so and go to ann arbor.

[PuckTime]

he did. i think its the premier. they take the top 40 or so and go to ann arbor.

I believe they've only done this once - just this past summer.

You could see if they have anything on the website

www.minnesotamadehockey.com

[johnnyhockey]

It's not on the web but he is having one & yes it is the "Premier"

[FANMAN]

Minnesota is one of 2 states that does not participate with USA hockey and the Advanced 14 program. Bernie McBain did a nice job with his connections at the NTDP to bring a group of '92 birth year players out to Ann Arbor last summer. Whether or not the selection process seemed fair in everyone's eyes, or whether you think Mr. McBain was out to just make money, the trip was beneficial for those who made the final cut. As I understand things, Bernie did not have final say in who was selected, and it was not a case of "Bernie's Boys" as I have heard some refer to it. Over 80 players were invited and split into 4 teams to play in a round robin type tournament. Of those 80 or so there, all were evaluated by numerous coaches from around the area and selected to attend the trip. On this trip, the 40 players invited skated in both practices and games at the United States complex. While there, the players were evaluated and spoken to by the USA staff. The Premier tournament and the trip to Ann Arbor cost less than one week at the US Advanced camps. The added value to the trip is that each of the skaters in Ann Arbor were added to USA scouting lists for this past winter season and some have been contacted by the NTDP. Let's not knock Bernie McBain for trying to give Minnesota kids a chance to be on an even playing surface when Select 15's come around. I for one hope he continues the program until Minnesota catches up to the rest of the country.

[wingsrule]

Question: Why would a parent send their son to Michigan to compete against other kids from Minnesota? If you look at it as a good “parent/child bonding trip” then this may be money well spent as we all know that time flies by and before we know it the kids are grown and off to college. If the Michigan weekend had teams from California, Colorado, Texas, Michigan and up and down the East Coast participate in this event I can see the positives. Send a kid to Michigan to play against only kids from Minnesota then you should have your head examined.

The Select 15’s are nothing to get excited about. The selection process, in my opinion, is flawed and way too political. The kid’s do play against good competition but the coaching is suspect or, in some cases, non-existent. In observing past games in St. Cloud I wondered what the coaches were doing on the bench. A coach needs to coach the players on the team, give advice, compliment players, offer suggestions on how to play in certain situations and not just stand behind the bench with folded arms and change lines.

Note to Bernie at Minnesota Made: Host a Minnesota Prospects Tournament that will compare to the Toronto Prospects, Boston Prospects and Vancouver Prospects tournaments. If you can make this happen then it would be something that could really benefit our Minnesota kids.

[ovy14]

last years premier was a temporary thing to try and get minnesota an acutal select 14s. idk if it worked but i hear it did and they are having one that goes out to Rochester, NY. can anyone tell me if that is right? cuz its just what ive heard n idk if its true or not

[GR3343]

Question: Why would a parent send their son to Michigan to compete against other kids from Minnesota? If you look at it as a good “parent/child bonding trip” then this may be money well spent as we all know that time flies by and before we know it the kids are grown and off to college. If the Michigan weekend had teams from California, Colorado, Texas, Michigan and up and down the East Coast participate in this event I can see the positives. Send a kid to Michigan to play against only kids from Minnesota then you should have your head examined.

The Select 15’s are nothing to get excited about. The selection process, in my opinion, is flawed and way too political. The kid’s do play against good competition but the coaching is suspect or, in some cases, non-existent. In observing past games in St. Cloud I wondered what the coaches were doing on the bench. A coach needs to coach the players on the team, give advice, compliment players, offer suggestions on how to play in certain situations and not just stand behind the bench with folded arms and change lines.

Note to Bernie at Minnesota Made: Host a Minnesota Prospects Tournament that will compare to the Toronto Prospects, Boston Prospects and Vancouver Prospects tournaments. If you can make this happen then it would be something that could really benefit our Minnesota kids.

The trip to Michigan served multiple purposes. It allowed the Minnesota kids to be introduced to USA hockey a year earlier than they would have, and provided the USA staff to get a chance to take a look at kids that they may not have. It also gave the Minnesota kids a chance to look into the future a little and set some goals. Instead of being short sighted and seeing only what their towns or perhaps their state has to offer, it allowed them to maybe have a vision of the future. To set bigger goals for themselves and instill an attitude that makes them want to achieve more.

All selection process are flawed in some way. All the way to the top ranks of professional hockey. It sounds like you're a little bitter about the USA Advanced program. Perhaps you were either released, or your kid was. Either way, it's hard to say what exactly is going on on the bench during games. Maybe the kids were getting instructions off ice that you didn't see. I can speak from personal experience that the week my son was in Ann Arbor, he learned quite a bit from the instructors both on ice and off ice. The coaches weren't out there to necessarily win games, but they're out there also to observe. Sometimes those observations are about how players are acting on the bench.

Bernie McBain did a nice job in organizing that trip. I'm with FANMAN in saying I hope it continues until Minnesota allows their players to deal with USA hockey at the same time the rest of the country does.

As far as a Prospects Tourny, I would bet Bernie has an idea or two floating around with possibilities for Minnesota kids.

[jancze5]

Rigth now there are more and more players from waaaaaaaay outside Minnesota closing the gap and surpassing Minnesota hockey and it's self touted State of Hockey. Today the Minnesota team in Quebec lost to some kids from Connecticut and New York 1-0. Last summer at the 94 Toronto Prospects, the Blades lost to a group of kids from New York/Connecticut.
The Tier 1 landscape has changed youth hockey all over the country.
THe Honeybakes/Little Caesers/and a host of other programs are taking control of the talent and producing it with nationwide exposure. Look at the USHL draft this upcoming year and see how many kids from outside Minnesota get drafted, the USHL has become the D-1 feeded system, not Minnesota High Schools...times are changing. Minnesota needs to see the trends before a decade of year groups get left in the Old School way of thinking. As I recall a group of 94's from Colorado came to Edina recently christmas and WAXED the whole lot...wasn't even challenged.
Does this mean anything at 14 or 16..nope...but it says something for what many believe is the first stepping stone of hockey..the Pee Wee level.

[Nominnhkywatcher]

jancze5,

I disagree ..sure there are children playing hockey in more places every year but Minnesota is just fine.Take a look at last years 1990 festival the Minnesota kids domminated I think over 50% of the top twenty pt getters were from Minnesota.Some of these aaa teams you speak of are pretty good at winning games thier coaches employ systems and traps its all about winning the players become robots .This begins at a very young age like squirts whereas It seems to me Minnesota kids develop skills and flash maybe thats why Minnesota places more kids in D1 hockey than any where else in North America except maybe Ontario.

[OU812]

Our neighbor's son went to Ann Arbor last year as a 14 year old for Bernie McBain, and had a really great experience. He met with USA Hockey people, saw the facility, and his family had a nice visit.

As for Minnespta hosting a "prospects" tournament, it would be great but the number of Minnesota AAA tournament options (like the Elite Classic, Super Series, Selects, International, etc) plus the many, many AAA teams makes for a lot more options for the kids. MN Hockey starts Advanced Teams, by District, at age 15; seems like it has worked pretty well so far.

[shoot to thrill]

So I hear that it is starting up again with Bernie at the helm. Mn Hockey is still not wanting to do it.

Is it open to all 93's or how do you get asked to tryout?

What weekend is tryouts and when it the trip to Michigan?

Has anyone heard who's being asked to tryout this year?

I've heard that the tryouts are pretty expensive. Does anyone know how much they cost?

If you make the team how much is the trip to Michigan?

[GR3343]

So I hear that it is starting up again with Bernie at the helm. Mn Hockey is still not wanting to do it.

Is it open to all 93's or how do you get asked to tryout?

What weekend is tryouts and when it the trip to Michigan?

Has anyone heard who's being asked to tryout this year?

I've heard that the tryouts are pretty expensive. Does anyone know how much they cost?

If you make the team how much is the trip to Michigan?

Last year was an invite of 80 kids. The cost was around $300 I think for 2 practices and 4 games, plus jersey and socks. If selected to the top 40 from there, cost was under 300 for the Michigan trip.

[gopher5]

Was it a pretty good experienced? I'm just wondering because that does seem like a lot of money if you know what I mean.

[GR3343]

Was it a pretty good experienced? I'm just wondering because that does seem like a lot of money if you know what I mean.

Exactly. The experience for those kids was well worth it. Getting to see what's out there other than their local teams, seeing a different part of the country, playing with and against new players. It was all definitely worth it, as was playing for different coaches with new and different ideas then they were all used to. The competition was at a high level with several of the skaters selected to Michigan playing at the varsity level last season, and all who went were a minimum of Bantam A. Very good trip. The 80 who were chosen for the initial tryout were seen or recommended by other coaches, although some were chosen directly by Mr. McBain.

[WoodStickSniper]

i saw the list for the 93's and i happened to make the alternates for forwards. how do you know if one of the players that you will play for gets sick or something will Bernie call you or what will happen?

i think that this is a good deal and i am doing a lot of training this off season to make the team next year.

good job bernie for giving some kids the chance and me some more motivation

[PuckTime]

i saw the list for the 93's and i happened to make the alternates for forwards. how do you know if one of the players that you will play for gets sick or something will Bernie call you or what will happen?

i think that this is a good deal and i am doing a lot of training this off season to make the team next year.

good job bernie for giving some kids the chance and me some more motivation

If a player gets sick or someone may just choose not to make the trip.
Im pretty sure if they end up needing you as an alternate, they will give a call.

[ovy14]

where do you find the list??

[WoodStickSniper]

Hey puck time thank you very much it is good to be able to actually ask a question on this forum and not have someone rag on you so thanks

and for where i found it a friend found it for me.
but when i wanted to see it again i just google searched Mick Dehine even though that is not how you spell my last name. but i guess it works

[High Flyer]

Any word on the results of the premier cup tryouts (select 14)?

[High Flyer]

Any word on the results of the premier cup tryouts (select 14)?

[Pucknutz69]

Rigth now there are more and more players from waaaaaaaay outside Minnesota closing the gap and surpassing Minnesota hockey and it's self touted State of Hockey. Today the Minnesota team in Quebec lost to some kids from Connecticut and New York 1-0. Last summer at the 94 Toronto Prospects, the Blades lost to a group of kids from New York/Connecticut.
The Tier 1 landscape has changed youth hockey all over the country.
THe Honeybakes/Little Caesers/and a host of other programs are taking control of the talent and producing it with nationwide exposure. Look at the USHL draft this upcoming year and see how many kids from outside Minnesota get drafted, the USHL has become the D-1 feeded system, not Minnesota High Schools...times are changing. Minnesota needs to see the trends before a decade of year groups get left in the Old School way of thinking. As I recall a group of 94's from Colorado came to Edina recently christmas and WAXED the whole lot...wasn't even challenged.
Does this mean anything at 14 or 16..nope...but it says something for what many believe is the first stepping stone of hockey..the Pee Wee level.

A 1-0 loss means the Mn kids are washed up and way behind??? So a loaded AAA team from the State of Colorado comes and plays against younger Mn kids in tournament and wins Why did they chose to come here if they didn't think they were getting something out of it. Look at the Select 17 and 16 teams and rethink your statements both rosters are very heavy MN. Select 17 had 8 from Mn both goalie spots, 5 from MN high school, 1 from Shattuck and 1 playing in WHL but Mn youth player. Select 16 have 8 players from MN high school out of 21 players. These are for the International teams. Yep way behind.