What are your thoughts on fair play points?

P-pups7 · Post by **P-pups7** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:32 pm

i think that they are ridiculous, there is no way that burnsville should be ranked higher than wessy's or tonka, especially with a losing record!!!

UNDlars · Post by **UNDlars** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:53 pm

[quote="countrygentleman"]Fair play points are huge in this league. I agree it may screw the standings up a little but it also reflects the better teams. The teams that can control themselves and not play cheap, like EP, will win the district. This is what the "new" style of play is trying to teach. No more big guys dominating the ice. Let the teams with skill win. Not the team that just plays cheap as gas back in day. Let the fair play help the team that respects the new rules. Now EP may not play the best but they play a controlled style. The fair play reflects that. It's no fun watching a game full of penalties. I'd rather watch a game of crisp passing with heart to win vs a game of two teams more focused on killing each other and not caring about winning.[/quote]

I think countrygentlemen hit the nail on the head with what he said. Besides, if these teams that are making into the playoffs with the help of their I would think the more talented teams would beat them right away.

TIME&SPACE · Post by **TIME&SPACE** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:22 pm

Fair Play points are simply an admission by MAHA that they are unable to find, train, or hold referees accountable to call the games by the existing rules. I'm not knocking the refs (I think they do a great job for the most part). I'm knocking the bureaucracy. There are plenty of good rules within the framework of the game to deter unfair play without adding another layer of red tape. A team should be able to take advantage of a power play, and if they don't, it shouldn't be up to a seperate system to try to make it right for them. The reason they keep score in hockey is so that everyone knows who won after the game is over. If the game is going to be judged like gymnastics or figure skating to determine the winner, then we should stop keeping score and place a call to France to see when we can get a bunch of judges shipped over. Maybe we can add "style points" while we're at it.

puckhead77 · Post by **puckhead77** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:18 pm

Amen Brother....

wingman15 · Post by **wingman15** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:52 pm

Good thoughts on the subject, time. I didn't think this was a bad idea a few years ago, actually saw it break tie in A Bantams between a goon team and a good skating team. The teams at the top seem more concerned with playing sound hockey, the teams at bottom get frustrated and play cheap to make up for lack of skill. I don't think hep is doing anything to change this. Maybe at squirt or pee wee level there is some value. If this is a good rule why don't varsity teams use it. I watched some sub east games this year doesn't look any different than previous years as far as hooking, holding, and interference. I think the leagues can be controlled with penalty enforcement and suspensions if necessary.

Pops · Post by **Pops** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:14 am

WIN = 3 POINTS
TIE= 2POINTS
HEP=1 POINT

Hep points has nothing to do with the new style of hockey, the way they are supposed to call penalties is taking care of that.
with the inconsistancies of the refs some teams benifit while others suffer.

countrygentleman · Post by **countrygentleman** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:29 pm

Just chatting about france in one of the last posts, I'll throw out the "pardon my french" when I say that Time&Space's explanation of the fair play point might have been one of the most ridiculous explanations of it I have ever read. I guess the fair play is a good thing if you like quicker, more skilled hockey. If you like the old styled, hook and ride down to the other end style of hockey, then the fair play point is a bad thing. It is just what style you like better. I just think actually skating requires more skill than back in the old NHL when a player could ride a player down the length of the ice as long as he didn't haul him down.

puckhead77 · Post by **puckhead77** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:36 pm

HEP point are NOT about a faster, more skilled game. The new rules are. The HEP points have nothing to do letting the better, more skilled team win! All they do is affect the standings. The new rules which are strictly enforced were put in place to allow a faster game. Country dude doesn't understand this....

Coachen · Post by **Coachen** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:02 am

puckhead77 wrote:HEP point are NOT about a faster, more skilled game. The new rules are. The HEP points have nothing to do letting the better, more skilled team win! All they do is affect the standings. The new rules which are strictly enforced were put in place to allow a faster game. Country dude doesn't understand this....

Puckhead ... your contradicting yourself. HEP affects the standings more than just the happy points given. If the faster, more skilled teams get more power play oppurtunities. The faster more skilled teams should be able to win more games by the way the games are suppose to be called.
The HEP format was the first step in this new wave. Now that the officials are up to date on calling the clutch/grap crap, the more skilled teams are finally able to rise more to the top. i just hope that the officials follow up their effort in the all playoffs insuring that we can play/watch the game we all enjoy.
By the way, the standings speak for themsleves (MHL). Check out the teams that didn't make the playoffs in the MHL .. Burnsville lands the 12th spot because they can play hockey the way its suppose to be played. Burnsville has 20 HEP's and 11 wins, while Osseo has 11 wins, and Centennial and Moundsview White have 10 wins .. pretty close. The difference was HEP's and it showed when you played them. While Osseo had 17 Hep's, Moundsview only kept 12 HEP's out of 23 .. pathetic. White Bear Black lands the 11th spot with 14 wins (same as Roseville and Minnetonka and 1 less than White Bear Orange) but not enough HEP's to land a nice seed.
Chaska lands the 6th seed and a tougher road (only 12 HEP's with 19 wins-2nd best) because they couldn't keep their butts out of the box.
I believe the HEP's (officials calls) have worked this far (2nd step). If the OFFICIALS continue making calls as they have in regular season, the playoffs and seedings for state should reflect the best hockey teams make it. I see no problem with that happening at D6 (MHL playoffs-Edina) but do hesitate the follow through at state in Highland. One can only hope that the best of the best Officiate those games in St Paul.

Coachen

countrygentleman · Post by **countrygentleman** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:49 am

I guess if someone doesn't see the light by now with all the explanations.... I dunno what's wrong then.

The HEP IS about a faster, more skilled game. Do you not understand that the idea is to punish the team with more penalties?? That's what the HEP point is doing and it works beautifully.

wingman15 · Post by **wingman15** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:54 pm

Explain to me why hep is good for Jr Gold but not for JV or Varsity boys are the same age, hell why not college and NHL. Do we outgrow our need for hep?
I am all for rules that put a premium on clean play and skill, it players can't follow them, take them off the ice, that's how it designed to work.