walser and nationals

underdog · Post by **underdog** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:00 am

does anyone know who is on this roster i think they play next weekend at the superrink.

keepitreal · Post by **keepitreal** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:07 pm

2 Sydney O'Keefe F
3 Lauren Zurek D
4 Carissa Ketcher F
4 Christy Smith F
6 Michellia Michaelson F
7 Laura Komercek D
8 Kirsten Peterson D
9 Hannah Davis D
11 Kerrie Graske F
12 Allie Harwood F
14 Britany Hartman F
15 Brittany Erickson F
20 Alexa Nelson F
21 Louise Hillen F
22 Meaghan Stumph F
24 Sandy Nelson D
27 Ammanda Plum G
34 Liz Westberg G

http://walserhockey.blogspot.com/

unbelievable · Post by **unbelievable** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:16 pm

Should be some good hockey this weekend at Schwan's Super Rink (see below).

unbelievable · Post by **unbelievable** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:55 pm

Minnkota 19U Tier 1 Playoff
The winner will represent the Minnkota District at the USA Hockey 19U Tier 1 National Tournament in San Jose, CA March 28 - April 1, 2007. All Minnkota playoff games to be held at the Schwans in the Ramsey Rink.
http://www.usahockey.com/2007_nationals ... main/19u//

MN Thoroughbreds vs Walser All Stars
Thur, March 15, 2007 7:00-9:00 p.m.

MN Thoroughbreds vs Shattuck-St. Mary's
Fri, March 16, 2007 7:00-9:00 pm

Shattuck-St. Mary's vs Walser All Stars
Sat, March 17, 2007 2:00-4:00 pm

19U Tier 1 Championship
Sun, March 18, 2007 2:00-4:00 pm

Team Information

MN Thoroughbreds
http://www.mnthoroughbreds.com/

Shattuck-St. Mary's
http://www.s-sm.org/upper/athletics/tea ... 006+-+2007

Walser All Stars
http://walserhockey.blogspot.com/

xwildfan · Post by **xwildfan** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:16 am

SSM shouldn't have much trouble this weekend in advancing to Nationals.

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:19 am

I agree that SSM should advance per usual. However, the T-Breds are playing very well right now. They play SSM tougher than any team in the country does--in fact, they tied in late January (SSM's record is 44-1-1--their only loss to Team Manitoba early in the year), and most of the games between the two have been close (as opposed to most SSM games which are blowouts--I think the two games with Walser were about 25-2 total). The point being that the T-Breds might be one of the best AAA clubs in the country, but unfortunately will not go to Nationals as long as SSM is in the midst of this dynasty.

xwildfan · Post by **xwildfan** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:21 pm

I think it would be great if the T-Breds could pull off an upset against SSM. They have a great team that probably could beat any of the HS teams. And they play in anonymity. I know they are looking forward to playing Walser. It must bother the T-Breds that MN Hockey allows a team to be pulled together and play in their tourney; after they already are given the opportunity to play in their own HS tourney.

SEMetro · Post by **SEMetro** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:07 pm

Don't understand the last point - if you are playing for the T-Breds, I think you are in it for the level of play and not the other stuff - press clippings, tournaments, etc. In fact, it would be great if more high level B&A teams would form and the T-Breds could fold their tent for 2.5 months and let their girls play high school.

xk1 · Post by **xk1** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:20 pm

The girls that play for the T'breds want to play at a much higher level than is offered by the vast majority of the high school teams. They also play a lot more games and don't have to put up with the MSHSL BS.

johnfrum · Post by **johnfrum** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:28 pm

I agree that it would be great if other B& A teams formed, in addition to Walser.

But I have no idea why you think it would be good to have the T-Breds "fold their tent for 2.5 months" and play a lower level of hockey than they are now playing. And some of the T-Bred girls are out of high school. What would you have them do?

Walser appeared on the scene last year and again this year. If the T-Bred girls had wanted to play high school and on a B & A team, they could have done so.

Obviously, they chose not to. Good for them to make their own decisions about how best to develop themselves rather than have only the high school model to follow.

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:37 pm

SEMetro wrote:

...T-Breds could fold their tent for 2.5 months and let their girls play high school.

I'm just guessing here--I have no inside info--but I would guess that once a player plays at the AAA level for a month or two with the T-Breds, she wouldn't really want to return to the HS level. To be truthful there are probably only a handful of HS teams that play anywhere near the level of AAA, and even then.....
In last year's AAA state tourney there was a team (MN Rapids I believe) that was made up of 9 of the top 10 Ms Hockey finalists plus another 6 or 8 standout HS players (all DI recruits I believe), and they beat the T-Breds 2-1. Even then, the T-Breds controlled play most of the 2nd half of the game. It was really something to see players like C Jones, Thunstrom, Hogan, Roberts, etc, get totally neutralized and out-skated. It's no coincidence that 90% of the 'graduating' T-Breds get DI scholarships (last year it was 7 of 9, and the other 2 went to standout DIII programs).

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:29 pm

Bensonmum wrote:...and they beat the T-Breds 2-1....It was really something to see players like C Jones, Thunstrom, Hogan, Roberts, etc, get totally neutralized and out-skated.

Totally neutralized and out-skated, but they still scored twice and won?

Also you wonder how they would fare after a whole season of practicing and playing together as a TEAM. Kind of like back when the NHL All Stars used to play and lose to the Soviets, but the U.S. Olympic (amateur) TEAM somehow managed to beat them.

hockeywild7 · Post by **hockeywild7** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:26 pm

Jones, thunstrom, hogan and roberts outskated? I dont think anyone is "outskating them". Especially Thunstrom, thats ridiculous, she is one of the fastest skaters this area has ever seen. And Jones has one of the best shots girls hockey has ever seen. They dont get asked to play on the US National team for nothing, they are some of the best players in their age group in the country. Funny how Mark Johnson seems to think they are some of the best in the country also.

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:54 am

Of course Thunstrom was the fastest player on the ice, and Jones was the best scorer, and Roberts was the smoothest with the puck. On talent alone, the 'all-stars' should have won big. That's my point. The Thoroughbreds were used to playing at this level every game. The all-stars were not. The T-Bred players have chosen to play AAA for 7 months a year for a reason--they don't want to be a before-after team.

puckster · Post by **puckster** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:12 am

Responding to Bensonmum : Had you actually watched last year's tournament you would realize that C Jones was not the best scorer on the ice as she was not on the Rapids' roster. The roster is as follows

35 Alannah McCready Wisconsin
19 Ashley Nixon (St. Cloud State University 07-08)
10 Christina Lee MSU
13 Allie Thunstrom BC
9 Jonnie Bloemers BU
15 Caitlin Hogan St. Cloud
7 Jenna Kilkpatrick Ohio State 07-08
14 Megan Sandall River Falls
17 Holly Roberts SCU
11 Anna McDonald BU
25 Kala Buganski MSU
12 Whitney Naslund RPI
16 Katie Horner Dartmouth 07-08
8 Kathryn Farni Harvard
26 Michelle Maunu UMN
4 Amy Udvig MSU 07-08
23 Kathleen Rosso MSU
2 Jackie Robertson BSU
20 Alexandra Zebro UMN
21 Berit Johnson Yale
Huge talent and all but one on the roster either playing D1 or committed for next year. Agree with MNhockeyfan "Also you wonder how they would fare after a whole season of practicing and playing together as a TEAM." Good news is.. they gave it their best effort in spite of the fact that the tourney was probably their first time everyone on the team was able to participate.

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:46 am

Yes I watched the tourney--sorry I didn't memorize the lineup. Obviously puckster you are some kind of genius since you were able to memorize it and recall it exactly a year later. That's really incredible! I do remember Thunstrom and Roberts and Hogan and McDonald and Buganski. You people sure know how to take a point and distort the heck out of it. My point was: NOBODY INVOLVED WITH THE THOROUGHBREDS WANT THEM TO BE A BEFORE/AFTER TEAM. My guess is that the players, coaches and parents believe the AAA level is better for their development, and I agree--taking 3 months off to play at the HS level would do them no good. The fact that they could go toe-to-toe with this all-star lineup is proof of that.

SEMetro · Post by **SEMetro** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:31 pm

Playing high school and elite league doesn't seem to hurt the boys development as you can tell from the ## of NHL draft picks.

Maybe not right away, but sooner or later someone is going to try to start forming different AAA U16 and/or U19 regular season teams using the T-Breds as precedent. If 3-5 additional teams ever get formed in the state(enough to cut down on travel) ...

keepitreal · Post by **keepitreal** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:57 pm

SEMetro wrote:Playing high school and elite league doesn't seem to hurt the boys development as you can tell from the ## of NHL draft picks.

Maybe not right away, but sooner or later someone is going to try to start forming different AAA U16 and/or U19 regular season teams using the T-Breds as precedent. If 3-5 additional teams ever get formed in the state(enough to cut down on travel) ...

I wonder if the OE/transfer rule goes through that we won't start to see this very thing as elite players/parents become impatient with the level of play on their respective HS teams. Or more likely as parents become convinced that it's the "right move" for their daughters by organizers who can freely recruit players. Once the snowball starts rolling, it could very well pick up some momentum.

Not saying I think it's a good thing... just the opposite. Just speculating on a possibile side effect of limiting movement combined with free enterprise.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:54 pm

keepitreal wrote:I wonder if the OE/transfer rule goes through that we won't start to see this very thing as elite players/parents become impatient with the level of play on their respective HS teams. Or more likely as parents become convinced that it's the "right move" for their daughters by organizers who can freely recruit players. Once the snowball starts rolling, it could very well pick up some momentum.

Not saying I think it's a good thing... just the opposite. Just speculating on a possibile side effect of limiting movement combined with free enterprise.

I think you are right that the new OE/transfer rules will create more interest in new AAA teams, but one thing really holding this back is that these teams play in almost complete anonymity - you just don't hear or read much about them - and most girls I think would prefer to play with their friends and for their schools. And some don't mind seeing their name in the paper now and then either.

underdog · Post by **underdog** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:51 am

Although I am a big fan of before and after teams, I think they should be required to bring a full roster to the playoffs. Last night was an embarresment to high school hockey. Walser came to the game with only two lines, how they thought they were going to be able to compete against Shattuck or Thoroughbreds is unbelievable. The shots on goal last night were something like 48 to 3 with Thoroughbreds winning the game 5-0. I believe if you are going to be on a before and after team there needs to be a strong commitment from all the players to be there and support there team. This is difference between before and after teams and AAA, they are committed and dedicated for the entire season. I think this is something that needs to be looked at before more teams are ever formed.

hockeyrube7 · Post by **hockeyrube7** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:23 am

underdog wrote:Although I am a big fan of before and after teams, I think they should be required to bring a full roster to the playoffs. Last night was an embarresment to high school hockey. Walser came to the game with only two lines, how they thought they were going to be able to compete against Shattuck or Thoroughbreds is unbelievable. The shots on goal last night were something like 48 to 3 with Thoroughbreds winning the game 5-0. I believe if you are going to be on a before and after team there needs to be a strong commitment from all the players to be there and support there team. This is difference between before and after teams and AAA, they are committed and dedicated for the entire season. I think this is something that needs to be looked at before more teams are ever formed.

Or maybe this just says something about that particular teams chemistry and make up?

nothernewguy · Post by **nothernewguy** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:45 am

Unfortunately last night, Walser got caught up in the ever-changing maze of usahockey rostering rules. When Walser presented their roster before the first game, several players were denied because there was a minimum number of games they had to play to qualify for nationals and some players did not have enough games - therefore ineligible.

So only the two lines Walser had in there will be eligible for the rest of the tournament. They will have to keep playing with the 10 they had last night.

Don't know if it was Walser's fault for not paying attention to the rules or if the rules weren't clear. Is any of the technical stuff about before/after play like this online or is it just in the back offices of the Minnkota registrar somewhere? I for one would like to read more about it, sure would hate for my girl to be asked to do something like this and get hopes up then get turned away at the door for a technicality.

SEMetro · Post by **SEMetro** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:15 pm

I am pretty confident Walser knew the rules when it filled out all the paperwork with MH to do a B&A team. The rule on the minimum number of games has been talked about on this forum and the boys forum.

game2game · Post by **game2game** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:16 pm

They also had a few out attending their year-end hs banquets...hats off to the girls who made it and worked their tails off!

johnfrum · Post by **johnfrum** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:56 pm

NNG: I'm unaware of any change in the USA Hockey rostering rules for National Tournament eligible teams in many years. It sure isn't "an ever changing maze".

You can look them up at www.usahockey.com.

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