Advanced 16's & 17's

[boblee]

Any word on the northern teams?

[Indian Head]

7AA/7a Tryout is April 1 in Pequot Lakes

[RLStars]

8a/8aa tryouts are March 31 and April 1st.

[DirtyDangler]

tryouts for 2aa/3a finished yesterday. the roster is:

Forwards
Ryan Walters- STA
Mychal Bangs- Cretin- Derham Hall
Tyler Voight- Lourdes
Cole Peterson- Lourdes
Charlie Hexum- Lourdes
Ryan Miller- SSP
Marco Prokopp- STA
Tony Pittman- Woodbury
Travis Miller- Simley
Gage Miller- Cretin- Derham Hall
?
?

Defense
Mark Alt- Cretin- Derham Hall
Pete Spratte- Lourdes
?- Lourdes
Bryan Mitchell- Red Wing
Tanner Miller- Simley
?
Goalies
Chad Clifford- Sibley
Wynne- STA

Standouts in the tryouts were Walters, Voight, bangs, peterson, alt and prokopp

I agree, I thought the rochester boys Voight, Peterson, and Hexum stood out along with the Cretin boys Bangs, Miller, and Alt, and the STA forwards Prokopp and Walters...one of the Defense is Zach Glass

[boblee]

7AA/7a Tryout is April 1 in Pequot Lakes

Thank you!

[riverskater]

7AA/7a Tryout is April 1 in Pequot Lakes

You must be talking about Advanced 16. Advanced 17 was this weekend MArch 24-25th in Hibbing. Several Brainerd invitees were on vacation for spring break when the invites came out and were not able to make it.

[flatontheice]

thats because the A players arent as good.

That must be why Blake Wheeler didnt make it at any level. What a stupid thing to say.

[gopherhockey33]

wow 1 example congratulations.

[boblee]

Whether a player plays A hockey or AA hockey has no effect on how good of an individual player he is.

[fivehole628]

I dunno the final rosters for 6A-AA, but the selection process was rigged... the Mound head coach and assistant coach were the evaluators, all the Mound players made it past the first cut

[MNWILD07]

Are there even evaluators present at these try outs...its kind of obvious the teams are picked before the kids step on the ice, if you make 15's you'll make 16's and if you make 16's you'll make 17's

[RLStars]

Are there even evaluators present at these try outs...its kind of obvious the teams are picked before the kids step on the ice, if you make 15's you'll make 16's and if you make 16's you'll make 17's

That's not necessarily the case. I know a player that didn't make the D5 Advanced 15 team, but did make the Section 8a/8aa Advanced 16 team. Could have been more, I only knew this player since the Advanced 15's is according to your youth hockey district. District 8a/8aa covers the MN Hockey youth districts 5, 10, 15 and 16.

[minnesotahockey1]

Yeah, just because you make 15's doesnt mean you make 16's champ. Faust didnt make it past the first round in the 16's but made it to the festival for 15's.

[Stealth]

Another interesting situation that is mentioned. Who is running the tryouts and better yet going to be the actual head coach for the team that represent your two sections. Check to see when the rosters come out in comparison to those individuals school. How many taken that have ties from that school or association out of the about 17 kids? Wonder if this theory hold true?

But they do step up, so should that give them a few coaches pick to improve there own players?

Has anybody ever seen this?

[runingwithechukchi]

The coaches want the best players to represent their team period. I don't believe there is any favoritism going on. If there are 2 players of equal talent he is going to take the player who he coaches all year, thats a no-brainer. I believe Paul to be a honest and fair coach he will pick who he feels is the best for his team. Its an honor just to be asked to try out and a great experience, good luck to all players. The 17s from district 4 are looking good.

[MNWILD07]

My previous statement wasnt literal. If a kid who makes 15's one year and a kid who didnt make 15's in the same year are equal in talent they will pick the kid who played last year 9 out of 10 times, the big names make the teams the unheard of talents get the short end. Tryouts should be held without being represented by player name or by team name...just flat out numbers, so the coaches dont know the names of the players, its the only fair way.

[runingwithechukchi]

Section 1, they hold tryouts with numbers. They do a pretty good job finding the players who can play. The good players stick out its pretty obvious who they are. Are there sections holding tryouts with names on the Jersey?

[breakout]

Selfish play is typically the rule of the day in these tryouts. Most kids that try out are home schooled to make minimal passing attempts.

In my opinion, selfish play should be a set back for a kid in these tryouts..........not a reward. Afterall, it is a team game. Identify the players with skill that can and will play a team concept.

[bugsy]

This has been beaten to death. By the time you are 16 and 17, the coaches in the various sections know who you are from playing thru the HS season. Your coach has to nominate you and if he has any integrity he is not just nominating any kid that wants to go to the tryout. Stats from the year have to be provided although they do not usually tell the whole story, but they can be helpful in the decision process. Usually one or two kids may fall thru the crack. Four hours is not alot of time to evaluate 40-50 kids. If somebody does not make it, it is not an end all to their playing career. Advice to those who do not make it, work hard over the summer, improve enough that it forces the evaluators to take you next year

[flatontheice]

wow 1 example congratulations.

Ok you idiot:

Ballard, Niskanen, Patterson, Oshie, Capouch,Lowerse, Gordon, Rassmusen, Riddle, ..I could go on and on but wont waste your time.

[flatontheice]

wow 1 example congratulations.

Gopher33:

This was cut from a message someone else left. I would get my fact straight first before making such a stupid comment.

•There are 191 Schools with registered hockey programs in Minnesota
•Within those schools, there are 4372 rostered varsity players.
•The total enrollment within these 191 schools in 2005 was 203,144 students.
•89 were AA programs and 102 were A programs.
•The rostered AA hockey player numbers were 2525 and for A level was 1847. This is from the MSHSL annual report.
•The 89 AA programs represented 107,806 of the students and the 102 A programs represented 95,338 of the student base.
•In 2005 there were 149 Division 1 Hockey players from Minnesota.
•Of the 159 Division 1 Hockey players 79 were from AA programs and 70 were from A programs.
•The Division 1 Hockey player to student ratio at AA Schools .00073 or .073%
•The Division 1 Hockey player to student ratio at A Schools is .00073 or .073%
•The Division 1 Hockey Player to rostered player ratio at AA Schools is .031 or 3.1%.
•The Division 1 Hockey Player to rostered player ratio at A Schools is .038 or 3.8%.
•This means that from the top level there is an 18% higher chance of playing Division 1 coming from an A level school.
•Of the 149 Division 1 players from Minnesota, 49 of them were from private schools or 33%. The enrollment weighting at these private schools was 9689 students. That means that only 4.8% of the student population represents 33% of the Division 1 players from Minnesota. Using a simple statistics calculation which I don’t want to bore you with the details, it breaks down to the fact you increase your chances of playing Division 1 hockey 18x by playing at a private school. What is more noticeable is that out of the 49 Division 1 players from Private Schools, 29 were from smaller (A ) schools. Benilde was included in the A calculation due to the numbers being from the 2004-2005 season.

•So using the same calculation, you increase your chances of playing Division 1 hockey by a factor of 30 if you play hockey at a small private school.

The probability of getting drafted in the NHL draft if you throw out the NDP and Shattuck is even higher if you attend a A level school (TJ Oshie, Matt Niskanen, Blake Wheeler, Peter Mueler). I would put all the numbers and stats on here that gave me the calculation but the odds are so skewed in favor of the smaller schools it is hard to understand. So for those of you that argue that you get discovered or get “more exposure” by playing AA hockey, the numbers are just not there to support it.

[mohunk]

Wow, flatontheice, I am truly impressed with your statistics. Someone spent a lot of time coming up with them!!!!

I agree re: anonymous tryouts. I recall a few years ago several positions on teams were given without tryouts--"24 players will be selected but 6 have already been chosen and can't/don't need to be here." SAY WHAT??? (Don't quote me on the actual numbers, the point is kids were given spots without a tryout).

Maybe Section 7 selection judges come from Section 8....and players have no identifiers on them (just numbers) with no contact between the judges and players.

[hockey59]

The 17s from district 4 are looking good.

Section 4AA/4A 17 team

Forwards:

Ben Hanowski - Little Falls
Berkley Scott - Anoka
Cody Peck - Fergus Falls
Cory Thorson - Armstrong
John O'Neill - Anoka
Josh Gross - Maple Grove
Kevin Anderson - Armstrong
Kevin Krey - Osseo
Zach Frischmon - Blaine
Zach Vierling - Coon Rapid
Tyler Resch - Alexandria
? (not sure of his name) - Willmar

Defense:

Brandon Burrell - North Metro
Jeff Lesmeister - Anoka
Joe Gaustad - Maple Grove
Joe Scaterelli - Rogers
Lanny Olson - Alexandria
Nick Jensen - Rogers

Goalies:

Joe Howe - Wayzata
J.D. Wells - Anoka

[HOFamer]

wow 1 example congratulations.

Gopher33:

This was cut from a message someone else left. I would get my fact straight first before making such a stupid comment.

•There are 191 Schools with registered hockey programs in Minnesota
•Within those schools, there are 4372 rostered varsity players.
•The total enrollment within these 191 schools in 2005 was 203,144 students.
•89 were AA programs and 102 were A programs.
•The rostered AA hockey player numbers were 2525 and for A level was 1847. This is from the MSHSL annual report.
•The 89 AA programs represented 107,806 of the students and the 102 A programs represented 95,338 of the student base.
•In 2005 there were 149 Division 1 Hockey players from Minnesota.
•Of the 159 Division 1 Hockey players 79 were from AA programs and 70 were from A programs.
•The Division 1 Hockey player to student ratio at AA Schools .00073 or .073%
•The Division 1 Hockey player to student ratio at A Schools is .00073 or .073%
•The Division 1 Hockey Player to rostered player ratio at AA Schools is .031 or 3.1%.
•The Division 1 Hockey Player to rostered player ratio at A Schools is .038 or 3.8%.
•This means that from the top level there is an 18% higher chance of playing Division 1 coming from an A level school.
•Of the 149 Division 1 players from Minnesota, 49 of them were from private schools or 33%. The enrollment weighting at these private schools was 9689 students. That means that only 4.8% of the student population represents 33% of the Division 1 players from Minnesota. Using a simple statistics calculation which I don’t want to bore you with the details, it breaks down to the fact you increase your chances of playing Division 1 hockey 18x by playing at a private school. What is more noticeable is that out of the 49 Division 1 players from Private Schools, 29 were from smaller (A ) schools. Benilde was included in the A calculation due to the numbers being from the 2004-2005 season.

•So using the same calculation, you increase your chances of playing Division 1 hockey by a factor of 30 if you play hockey at a small private school.

The probability of getting drafted in the NHL draft if you throw out the NDP and Shattuck is even higher if you attend a A level school (TJ Oshie, Matt Niskanen, Blake Wheeler, Peter Mueler). I would put all the numbers and stats on here that gave me the calculation but the odds are so skewed in favor of the smaller schools it is hard to understand. So for those of you that argue that you get discovered or get “more exposure” by playing AA hockey, the numbers are just not there to support it.

awesome stats...however, you're just looking at one year. I would imagine and i don't know this for a fact..but over the years the stats would be different. Bottom line is that if you are a good hockey player you will be found and exposure at the AA level is an element but obviously in 2005 it did not mean much...other than that AA teams have more depth and play better competition while A players get more time and the puck on their more to show their stuff...it all equals out in the end....

[HOFamer]

will be interesting to see what happens in 8AA...if Moorhead/Roseau will dominate the selection like they did the section. got to think at least 3 buffalo kids from the 90's and a couple 91's....