Toronto Prospects Tourney?

CrossbarandIn99 · Post by **CrossbarandIn99** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:57 am

Anyone know the dates or rosters for thid tourney yet?

Offside · Post by **Offside** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:19 pm

my advice; if you have a chance to play in the Exposure Tournament sponsored by the Elite League and Shattuck, don't go to Toronto unless you want to go to Toronto for other reasons eg vacation, see the sites, etc.

The big difference is that the Prospects has Canadian Jr scouts and coaches but otherwise the USHL, D1 and D3 scouts/coaches for roughly the same teams are at both.

PuckNasty07 · Post by **PuckNasty07** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:30 pm

Offside wrote:my advice; if you have a chance to play in the Exposure Tournament sponsored by the Elite League and Shattuck, don't go to Toronto unless you want to go to Toronto for other reasons eg vacation, see the sites, etc.

The big difference is that the Prospects has Canadian Jr scouts and coaches but otherwise the USHL, D1 and D3 scouts/coaches for roughly the same teams are at both.

They are at different dates this year, Toronto is in Early May; Xposure is April.

I heard that the Xposure was not the greatest turn out last year and that some JV guys got into it?? You think there would be more scouts at an international event compared to an event with just MN kids. Specially when theres 64 teams?? in the Toronto tournament.

Offside · Post by **Offside** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:05 pm

fine go. find out for yourself. waste your money. but Toronto is a great place to visit.

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:21 pm

Offside-

Your are correct in saying that the Prospects Tournament has Canadian Jr. scouts and if a player is interested in Major Jr. Hockey as an option, this is a great exopser opportunity for them. But it is scouted by the OHL and Minnesota kids are not elgible to be drafted by any OHL teams.

If you are top 20 U-18 player, you probably already have your college path set and these players typically don't even particapate in the prospects tournament. If your not, the prospect tournament would be a good exposer opportunity for you with some colleges and jr. teams. If you can afford to to both the prospects and elite leage exposer, do both. You might play one of your better games in the prospects tournament and turn right around to stink up the place at the SSM/elite league camp. You can't predict what will or won't happen and where it will happen, which is why you want to increase your odds.

Any top 20 to top 40 U16 players could also possible benift from the exposer opportunites that might come thier way by particapting at a prospect tournament.

The 13, 12 and 11 year old parents are wasting there time, more importantly your money and you are being sold some swamp water if you are buying into the dream that your kid is going to be discovered at 11, 12 or 13.

Doug Mackenzie · Post by **Doug Mackenzie** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:26 pm

I've been to both, the level of play in Tornto was much higher than Xposure.

But I guess it would depend on what your future goals are and who has already talked to you.

The scouts I talked to in Toronto also said that the knock on many Mn kids is that they only play against other MN kids. Now with Xposure, it's the same old thing MN kids vs. MN kids. A lot of these scouts want to see how these kids are going to react to playing a Canadien style of game, which is much more physical. How they react to playing with a stick in their side, having to move through a body in front of the net, maybe even have to drop the gloves.

My view may be skewed a little though, since most of the scouts I was talking to were junior scouts. I doubt college scouts care about how well a kid can through hands.

Offside · Post by **Offside** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:14 am

Doug, you're brilliant. What do you think those scouts in Toronto would say?

If you want to play in the Canadian leagues, by all means go to Toronto. Otherwise, the same junior A and D1 scouts will be at both.

But, if you've never been to Toronto, go, it's a great place to vacation.

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:40 am

Offside-

You are mis-informing people here. If you want to play Major Jr. Hockey in Canada and you are from Minnesota, you are wasting your time and money going to the Prospects Tournament in Toronto!!!!The only Canadian scouts that will be at the Toronto Prospects are from the OHL and a Minnesota kid is not draft elgible for the OHL.

The Global Sports Camp in Vancuver is where a Minnesota Kid should go, as it is very similar to the Toronto Prospects with scouts from the Major Jr. Hockey's from WHL. The Global Sports will also have the same scouts from the USHL and college in attendance.

One big difference between the two is the Toronto Prospects are organized by "teams", where are you are just placed on a team in the Global Sports.

Offside · Post by **Offside** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:27 am

High Flyer,

I apologize if you think I'm misinforming people here but I think you need to read my message again.

First of all, individuals can apply to play in Toronto not just teams. Go the their web site.

Also,

I only said who was there in Toronto (Canadian coaches and scouts and D1/D3 and Junior Scouts). I never said anything about who was eligible to play in Canada. The same Junior A (USHL, NAHL) and college scouts are at the Exposure tourney.

My basic message was that two tournaments will get a MN/midwest kid roughly the same exposure so why go to Toronto? The Exposure tournament as plenty of scouts and plenty of good players especially considering last year was the first year.

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:57 pm

Offside-

1) Yes, the Toronto Prospects web site says you can apply, but the reality is that the organizer of this event relies on other individuals to organize a team from differents areas. You can apply and it will just get forwarded to another person who may or may not call you to particapate on a team from your area.

2) Yes, some of the same organizations will be represented at both the Toronto Prospects and Elite Prospect, but you will find more of the "decision makers" attending the Toronto Prospects vs. the Elite Prospects. Would you rather play in front of a decision maker or a scout who passes information onto the decision maker?

I do not agree with your statement that the two tournaments are compariable from an exposure stand point and certinally not a competition standpoint. This is what the organizers of the Elite Prospects want you to believe, so buyer beware and read the fine print (if you can find it).

The turth is that any expouser opportunity is a good idea and you can afford them and you have the time, go to as many as you can to increase your odds.

Major Jr. Hockey is also great choice that offers paid educational
benifits, so just don't limit your sites on college hockey.

Offside · Post by **Offside** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:05 pm

Agree to disagree. I've talked with many who have gone to both. Sure, if you have a lot of money, go to all of them.

mercurymoves · Post by **mercurymoves** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:08 pm

So where does that leave the Great 8? Same kids if they are a senior, same scouts?

hockey00 · Post by **hockey00** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:16 pm

does any one have the roster of the minnesota teams going up to toronto?

Bash Brother · Post by **Bash Brother** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:25 pm

I am looking for a list of guys going to toronto.

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:59 am

hockey00 wrote:does any one have the roster of the minnesota teams going up to toronto?

Roster posted on this link:

http://www.ushl.com/centralscouting/showcase.cfm

Bash Brother · Post by **Bash Brother** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:40 pm

High Flyer wrote:
hockey00 wrote:does any one have the roster of the minnesota teams going up to toronto?
Roster posted on this link:

http://www.ushl.com/centralscouting/showcase.cfm

it says there is a taylor morgan from rosemount high school, they mean mike morgan or this is a different school?

Rbkhockey21 · Post by **Rbkhockey21** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:54 pm

i think its a mistake..i think its mike morgan from rosemount high school.

i dont think this is the actual list for toronto i think its for the showcase tournament in chicago

Bash Brother · Post by **Bash Brother** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:44 pm

Rbkhockey21 wrote:i think its a mistake..i think its mike morgan from rosemount high school.

i dont think this is the actual list for toronto i think its for the showcase tournament in chicago

thats what i was thinking because nate percy told me he was going and i dont see his name

Rbkhockey21 · Post by **Rbkhockey21** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:30 pm

Does he know for sure he is going? Do you know any other players who are going?

hast-h-fan · Post by **hast-h-fan** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:04 pm

Offside wrote:my advice; if you have a chance to play in the Exposure Tournament sponsored by the Elite League and Shattuck, don't go to Toronto unless you want to go to Toronto for other reasons eg vacation, see the sites, etc.

The big difference is that the Prospects has Canadian Jr scouts and coaches but otherwise the USHL, D1 and D3 scouts/coaches for roughly the same teams are at both.

How do ya get the chance to play at these?

hockey00 · Post by **hockey00** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:23 pm

the first line for champlin is going meyers grandner and herzog

hockeyguy99 · Post by **hockeyguy99** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:16 pm

I would take Herzog and Meyers up there, but I don't know about Grander. He is not as dominate as the other two.

mnhock20 · Post by **mnhock20** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:25 am

hockeyguy99 wrote:I would take Herzog and Meyers up there, but I don't know about Grander. He is not as dominate as the other two.

You can't take any of these guys without the others. Grandner usually starts anything this line does from his gritty play in the d-zone. Grandner is an absolute workhorse

Bash Brother · Post by **Bash Brother** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:42 pm

Rbkhockey21 wrote:Does he know for sure he is going? Do you know any other players who are going?

I dont know anything for sure but he said he was getting excited for toronto and if he is going i would think some other rosemount guys are going.

PuckNasty07 · Post by **PuckNasty07** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:10 pm

those are not the mn teams going to toronto. those rosters are somthing different because the rosters for Toronto should be MN Blades teams, and usually one MN AAA Starz team goes.