Top Programs All Time in Minnesota

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:40 pm

Excellent point finance gal.

It has always amused me how the public schools sit on their hands and do nothing to develop players and then claim the players as "theirs".

The private youth programs develop these kids from the age of 5 on and then when they turn 15, they all of a sudden supposedly belong to the local public high school.

The local high school coach shows up at a couple of bantam clinics and all of a sudden the players are labeled traitors by these yahoos if they continue on and stay loyal to a private program.

There is no question that finance gal has got it right. But the phobics dont like to hear this and they some times respond harshly when reality hits them in the face.

HockeyFan1 · Post by **HockeyFan1** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:02 pm

packerboy wrote:Excellent point finance gal.

It has always amused me how the public schools sit on their hands and do nothing to develop players and then claim the players as "theirs".

The private youth programs develop these kids from the age of 5 on and then when they turn 15, they all of a sudden supposedly belong to the local public high school.

The local high school coach shows up at a couple of bantam clinics and all of a sudden the players are labeled traitors by these yahoos if they continue on and stay loyal to a private program.

There is no question that finance gal has got it right. But the phobics dont like to hear this and they some times respond harshly when reality hits them in the face.

What are you smoking Packerboy?

finance_gal · Post by **finance_gal** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:13 pm

My children don't belong to a school district more like the school district belongs to me, the taxpayer, I would be careful what you ask for because if you really want the privates to have there own youth programs to build from, they could someday have just that, and I guarentee they will have more kids in there programs than the area hockey programs and they would be more successful than the area hockey programs because every hockey parent has a dream of there kid going to state and they will do most anything to give there kids that opportunitty and if means dragging your kid 30 miles for practice everyday then thats what we do. Kids go to Hill and the other privates for all sorts of reasons, hockey is just one of them it just so happens that Hill's program is so successful that players flock to the school for a chance to live the dream. The privates don't recruit players, the public schools fail give the players a reason to stay.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:13 pm

I quit smoking a number of years ago Hockeyfan1.

You should too.

HockeyFan1 · Post by **HockeyFan1** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:59 pm

finance_gal wrote:
it just so happens that Hill's program is so successful that players flock to the school for a chance to live the dream. The privates don't recruit players, the public schools fail give the players a reason to stay.

I guess some people just don't have any "loyalties" in this day and age.

Wow, I'm very proud to be from a community where it is a "privelege" and "honor" to play youth hockey in your community and learn to develop your talents, then help "Lead" your team in High school to a state tournament berth.

I guess I will never understand how one can just pass up the opportunity to represent your home town / school / community - to join a bunch of other "recruits" and try do the same. You talk about taking the fun out of the game?

But, each to their own......

finance_gal · Post by **finance_gal** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:15 pm

what loyalties, we have moved 3 times since my kids started school, who should people be loyal to a school district or do whats best for there kids, when it comes to loyalties my kids win out everytime. How much loyalty do you have to the Mcdonalds you work at? or would you go accross the street to Burger King for an extra $1.00 an hour and if your lucky your loyal public school kid can work right beside you someday I want better for my kids and if it means not going to public school then I'm willing to write the check to make sure someone is teaching them to be the best at whatever tthe try in life.

HockeyFan1 · Post by **HockeyFan1** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:33 pm

finance_gal wrote:what loyalties, we have moved 3 times since my kids started school, who should people be loyal to a school district or do whats best for there kids, when it comes to loyalties my kids win out everytime. How much loyalty do you have to the Mcdonalds you work at? or would you go accross the street to Burger King for an extra $1.00 an hour and if your lucky your loyal public school kid can work right beside you someday I want better for my kids and if it means not going to public school then I'm willing to write the check to make sure someone is teaching them to be the best at whatever tthe try in life.

So better = private schools?

Or...better = going to a private school that recruits other hockey players, to try put together a team - just to make it to a state tournament?

So you're saying it's better to "buy" your kid the opportunity to make it in life?

PS, I don't work at McDonald's.

td577 · Post by **td577** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:34 pm

Wow, in all the discussion about how great the HM program is just makes more of the point about who has the absolute best program in Minnesota.

Go ahead and say Roseau doesn't have the best cradle to high school program in United States youth hockey.

finance_gal · Post by **finance_gal** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:21 pm

Roseau does have a good program, and if I lived up there i'm sure that I would want my kids to go there to, they are a small school where everyone knows everyone, small classes where kids can get the attention they need and a good athletic program, as well as a hockey team that goes to state on a regular basis, If you want those same things for your kids in the cities where do you send your kids to school...Hill Murray.

Buying your kids opportunitties in life? isn't that why we send them to good hockey camps and give them nice homes so that they have a better than average shot in life. Maybe it's not that way in the trailer park where your from HockeyFan1 but most of us try to give our children the best we can afford. By the way, it's nice to see that you've taken the dollar extra an hour and accepted Burger Kings offer. Good for you and try not to spend your windfall all in one place.

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER · Post by **ACTUALFORMERPLAYER** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:47 pm

Is it true that everyone on Hill's team got denied admission to Shattuck?

Hockeyguy_27 · Post by **Hockeyguy_27** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:46 pm

finance_gal wrote:Roseau does have a good program, and if I lived up there i'm sure that I would want my kids to go there to, they are a small school where everyone knows everyone, small classes where kids can get the attention they need and a good athletic program, as well as a hockey team that goes to state on a regular basis, If you want those same things for your kids in the cities where do you send your kids to school...Hill Murray.

Buying your kids opportunitties in life? isn't that why we send them to good hockey camps and give them nice homes so that they have a better than average shot in life. Maybe it's not that way in the trailer park where your from HockeyFan1 but most of us try to give our children the best we can afford. By the way, it's nice to see that you've taken the dollar extra an hour and accepted Burger Kings offer. Good for you and try not to spend your windfall all in one place.

You make some excellent points but agruing the validity of private schools with some people is like arguing politics...you can't win. Some people will never see things in any way other than they want to see them.

Sparlimb · Post by **Sparlimb** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:31 am

Ankles Pierre, Jr. wrote:Hill-Murray Pioneers!

Most (34) State Tournament Appearances EVER!

Most (34) State Tournament Appearances since 1961!

Most (21) MSHSL State Tournament Appearances since 1975 league merger!

Most ( 7) Goals Scored Single Period in a State Tournament Game!

Most (15) State Championship Games since 1961!

Most ( 1) Undefeated Seasons in the post-1975 One-Class All-School MSHSL!

Four ( 4) State Championship Teams in four different decades!

More D-1, TeamUSA, Olympic, and NHL Players than Most Favorite Programs!

Most Stanley Cups for Defensemen!

Most Miracle on Ice Goalies!

Most Hated by Bigots of the Bored!

Best-Looking and Smartest Students, Faculty, and Alumni!

And AP is just posting the obvious stuff...

He didn't even mention best team website or best rivalry in MN (as decided by Kevin Gorg and Anthony Lapantha) or Biggest comeback in state finals history or most state tournaments of any returning goalie, etc...

Sparlimb · Post by **Sparlimb** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:38 am

Green and White Fan wrote:finance_gal, you are being sarcastic right?? More like Hill raids the better players out of somebody elses youth systems. Hill can not be called a hockey program they would have be called a hockey program raider.

Hey GW, how many Warroad kids transferred and played for Roseau this very year? hockey program raider... Maybe they should take your title away, seeing as your acting like another Elk River...

Pioneerprideguy · Post by **Pioneerprideguy** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:17 am

Finance-gal,

Welcome to the Pioneer Family. Hill-Murray has a long history of academic & athletic success which only makes people around these parts just a tad bit jealous. As kids, most of the "haters" were probably denied the opportunity to attend Hill and as adults, would prefer to spend their money on something other than their children's schooling. I don't blame those people, those are individual decisions that people make. I was very fortunate that my parents made the sacrifices possible to allow me to attend HM and because of it, I feel like I'm better off today because of it. I now gladly write the checks out to allow my children the opportunity share in the experience of a private school education. Hill's doors are open to anyone, not just the talented hockey players. I don't hear too many people complain when Hill's football team, girl's hockey team, girls volleyball team win a conference titles (all this past year). Is Hill recruiting the best athletes in every sport? Or maybe, good kids who come from involved parents, are teamed with good coaches/teachers and succeed in the class room, athletic field, and in the community. Boy, sounds like a pretty postive high school experience in my book.

finance_gal · Post by **finance_gal** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:32 am

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote:Is it true that everyone on Hill's team got denied admission to Shattuck?

actually I can think of a few people that went to Shattuck from Hill because they could't quite cut it with us, we wished them the best and hope they get what they want from Shattuck. you should pay attention, you can learn something, because this is the mature way to handle someone leaving your school.

HockeyFan1 · Post by **HockeyFan1** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:52 am

Sparlimb wrote:
Green and White Fan wrote:finance_gal, you are being sarcastic right?? More like Hill raids the better players out of somebody elses youth systems. Hill can not be called a hockey program they would have be called a hockey program raider.

Hey GW, how many Warroad kids transferred and played for Roseau this very year? hockey program raider... Maybe they should take your title away, seeing as your acting like another Elk River...

Sparlimb - who are you referring to as Warroad transfer's?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:22 am

HM is a great hockey school but hasnt won enough championships to be considered one of the all time best programs.

Although it is true that the Catholics werent allowed to play until '75, metro teams were just catching up to the Northern teams by then anyway. The old Catholic teams were great but if the truth be told , they probably couldn't have beat the teams from up north either. Johnson was the only non northern team to win it until Edina in 1969.

The 2 best programs all time are Roseau and Edina and everybody else can forget about it.

HockeyFan1, We are glad that you are proud to play wherever you play. But you and others need to understand that the kids that play for Catholic schools are just as proud.

Ask the kids from CDH who won it in 06. I gurantee you they are just as proud of playing for CDH as you are playing for your school as the kids form Roseau are and so on.

finance_gal · Post by **finance_gal** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:49 am

a very insightful comment, as for the catholics not being able to compete before the merger, they could have competed sporadicly but not year in and year out as they do now, and it is true Hill has tends to to not be able to win the big one as much as they should, but that is part of building a team that hasn't grown up togeather and shows that great players and coaching can be beaten by a lifetime of teamwork and emotion. People don't realize how difficult it is for a kid to compete at Hill, they must first beat out a ton of kids for the honor of playing, then they must put up with the garbage there friends and people on this board say about them, then they must hear the recruiting BS people keep spewing, and to top it all off every team Hill Murray plays gets up and brings there A game. A player has to be pretty special and not just talented to play for Hill and people can hate us all they want but we are still one of the top 3 athletic programs in state.

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:23 pm

He didn't even mention best team website

I have to disagree.

RoseauWarrior · Post by **RoseauWarrior** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:45 pm

Sparlimb wrote:
Green and White Fan wrote:finance_gal, you are being sarcastic right?? More like Hill raids the better players out of somebody elses youth systems. Hill can not be called a hockey program they would have be called a hockey program raider.

Hey GW, how many Warroad kids transferred and played for Roseau this very year? hockey program raider... Maybe they should take your title away, seeing as your acting like another Elk River...

I assume you are joking?? A roseau boy played for Warroad just because of the depth in Roseau, but there weren't any Warriors on the Rams!

rams1989 · Post by **rams1989** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:05 pm

boblee wrote:
He didn't even mention best team website
I have to disagree.

Boblee's right. Ram Hockey's website is the best high school hockey website anywhere.

www.roseauramshockey.com

Sparlimb · Post by **Sparlimb** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:11 pm

HockeyFan1 wrote:Sparlimb - who are you referring to as Warroad transfer's?

I was told by someone that 3 players from Warroad played for Roseau this year due to an interest in playing AA. Maybe they were 9th graders, I'm not sure. This was fromthe guy who sits in front of me at State, so I take it with a grain of salt. So let me know if that is not the case...

My point is that lots of public schools take transfers too. In some sports, more kids transfer to the public schools then the private schools.

HockeyFan1 · Post by **HockeyFan1** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:31 am

Sparlimb wrote:
HockeyFan1 wrote:Sparlimb - who are you referring to as Warroad transfer's?

I was told by someone that 3 players from Warroad played for Roseau this year due to an interest in playing AA. Maybe they were 9th graders, I'm not sure. This was fromthe guy who sits in front of me at State, so I take it with a grain of salt. So let me know if that is not the case...

My point is that lots of public schools take transfers too. In some sports, more kids transfer to the public schools then the private schools.

The answer is a big... NO ...No Warroad players played for the Rams.

Green and White Fan · Post by **Green and White Fan** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:39 am

Sparlimb, Call the guy who sat in front of you and tell him the facts. No Warroad kids on Roseau teams this year. As mentioned by another poster, Warroad made it to state and probably would not have, if it wasn't for a Roseau goalie.

I realize things are different in the big city than they are in the rural areas. People still want what's best for their own child, but there is more loyalty and pride. Almost 100% of our youth coaches have come through the system and had the HONOR of playing for the Rams. THe whole goal of our youth hockey is to build for the high school team. You earn the right to call yourself a Ram. Youth players will call themselves Rams and be told by their coaches, you haven't earned the Ram moniker yet. It seems some people are so selfish with their kids, that they take the fun out of sports. Move to this town, move to that town, go to this school, go to that school. Where do you learn team play, trust and how to develop as a team and lifelong friendships. Guys come back to ROseau each year for a old timers tournament. 14 local teams this year, with local meaning guys who for the most part played through the Roseau system. Some come hundreds of miles or from across the country to come HOME and play. THat is loyalty, dedication and just a plain love and pride in your community and team. THis is not a bash on privates or metro schools, but those who live in small towns will understand this and appreciate it!

hipcheck · Post by **hipcheck** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:21 am

International Falls does a tournament similar to Roseau. This year they had 24 teams in various age brackets. Open; 30+; 40+ and 50+.

Used as a fund raiser for the youth program. Old Broncos from all over came back to support the program.

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