2007 Schwans Cup

[Northern Hockey]

The teams for the Gold division(now renamed Blue division) has been released for next years Schwan Cup tourney and neither Roseau or Edina are in it.

I was just wondering why? Maybe Edina and Roseau didnt apply because they hosts tourneys, but why wouldnt they try and get 2 of the best teams in this tourney after, last year you think they would learn. Some of them teams last year were in way to deep.


You think Roseau and Edina would have tried to get in this or rearrange there schedule to be in this tourney.

I am up north and I am dissapointed I wont get to see Edina in this tourney.

[State Champ 97]

I'm pretty sure Roseau hosts one and it is a big economic help to their program. Don't know about Edina.

[hipcheck]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Its all about raising the almighty dollar for your programs now days.

Roseau needs to raise big $$$$ to do alot of traveling. Hosting their own tourney helps them out quite a bit.

[boblee]

The teams for the Gold division(now renamed Blue division) has been released for next years Schwan Cup tourney and neither Roseau or Edina are in it.

I was just wondering why? Maybe Edina and Roseau didnt apply because they hosts tourneys, but why wouldnt they try and get 2 of the best teams in this tourney after, last year you think they would learn. Some of them teams last year were in way to deep.


You think Roseau and Edina would have tried to get in this or rearrange there schedule to be in this tourney.

I am up north and I am dissapointed I wont get to see Edina in this tourney.

The tournament has a predertimined strategy to set up the tournament brackets.

[HShockeywatcher]

Who are the 8 teams?

[Iceburg]

Who are the 8 teams?

Press release:

TEAMS ANNOUNCED FOR 7th ANNUAL SCHWAN CUP BOYS’ HOCKEY TOURNAMENT, DECEMBER 26-28, 2007

Blaine, Minn. (March 5, 2007) – With high school hockey interest heating up for the MSHSL Boys’ Hockey Tournament this week, the National Sports Center announced the team lineup for the 7th annual Schwan Cup boys’ high school hockey tournament, December 26-28, 2007.

Schwan Cup is the among the most prestigious annual Minnesota high school holiday tournaments, is seen as a preview of the annual MSHSL state tournament, and a gauge of early-season quality among the top teams in the state.

Playing in the top blue division (formerly called the gold division) will be defending Schwan Cup champion Holy Angels, Centennial, White Bear Lake, Roseville, Duluth East, Hill-Murray, Moorhead and defending Schwan Cup bronze division champion, Minnetonka. Most of the blue division games will be played at the Xcel Energy Center in Saint Paul.

Playing in the red division (formerly called the silver division) will be defending silver division champion Edina, Benilde-St. Margaret’s, Blaine, Brainerd, Breck, Cretin-Derham Hall, St. Thomas Academy, and Wayzata. Most of the red division games will be played at Aldrich Arena in Maplewood. The championship game will be at the Xcel Energy Center.

Teams slated to play in the white division (formerly called the bronze division), will be Blake, Burnsville, Champin Park, Eastview, Mahtomedi, Maple Grove, Orono, and Stillwater. Most the white division games will be at Brooklyn Park Arena. The championship game will also be at the Xcel Energy Center.

First-round game pairings will be announced in September.

[HShockeywatcher]

It all looks good except one thing to me. Two years ago Cretin wins Bronze and St Thomas come in 2nd and they both move up to silver. This year Edina wins silver, they stay in silver and Minnetonka wins Bronze to move up to GOLD?!

You're entitled to your opinions about the cake-eaters, and I think St Thomas and Cretin are right where they belong, especially after last year's performance, but how does Minnetonka get to move up to gold?

Edina wins their conference, the silver division, goes to state and has to stay in silver.
Minnetonka doesn't win their conference, doesn't go to state, but wins only the bronze and suddenly are in the gold?

I'd switch Edina and Minnetonka and all is well.

[gomnhky]

I heard from a very reliable source that Edina was asked and "strongly"
encouraged to play in the Gold/Blue division but the coach wanted to stay in the Silver/Red division, due primarily to the team's schedule for that month.

[blueblood]

gomnhky is correct, Edina turned down the opportunity to move up the new Blue division.

Minnetonka was asked to move up to the Blue (Gold) division since they won the White (Bronze) division after Edina's decision.

[power92]

I'm pretty sure your position in the Schwan's is ONLY decided by your performance in the previous year (in the Schwan tournament).
Can anyone confirm or deny that?

[HShockeywatcher]

Why not (as much as it pains me to say this) ask Cretin to move up since they got 2nd in the silver? Too bad about Edina, but it doesn't seem right for a team to win and move up two divisions. Also, not to put down the teams in the Bronze, but walking through bad competition doesn't qualify you for skipping a division. There probably isn't a team from Silver that wouldn't have walked through like they did.

I'm guessing that is probably true for the most part weaker, but how for once try to not find one minor detail in everything I say and completely change topics of the thread? If you only used the results of the Schwan's Cup games, there would be at least a few teams more deserving than Minnetonka.

[Northern Hockey]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Its all about raising the almighty dollar for your programs now days.

Roseau needs to raise big $$$$ to do alot of traveling. Hosting their own tourney helps them out quite a bit.

How does a tourney raise money in high school hockey? Is there entry Fee's? Especially a tourney that is as bad as Roseau has. Dont they usually have like LOW, Bismark and some unknown city team?

[HShockeywatcher]

Yes, there are fees for entry into the tourney. Not sure how much of that goes to trophies and such, but that's not the huge part. Then the people that come watch have to pay to get in, and then there's concessions which are a huge money maker at everything.

[Goldy Gopher]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Its all about raising the almighty dollar for your programs now days.

Roseau needs to raise big $$$$ to do alot of traveling. Hosting their own tourney helps them out quite a bit.

How does a tourney raise money in high school hockey? Is there entry Fee's? Especially a tourney that is as bad as Roseau has. Dont they usually have like LOW, Bismark and some unknown city team?

How does a tourney raise money at any level? The teams pay to play in it, the fans pay to watch it and the fans pay to eat and drink at it. That's pretty much how it goes.

[Sparlimb]

I'm pretty sure your position in the Schwan's is ONLY decided by your performance in the previous year (in the Schwan tournament).
Can anyone confirm or deny that?

That isn't true. From what I've heard, the tournament comittee places teams based on projected strength the following year. If a team takes second in the gold division but may be falling off the radar talentwise, they may move down. There are no guarantees and the real motivating factor is trying to put together a tournament that will attract the most fans.

[Zamman]

I had also heard that Edina decided to stay back in the silver division, but not because of their schedule. If you are going to play, why not play with the best in this non-conference tourney. It is still early in the season and whether you win or lose will not matter in the end....I know tha for sure.

[H-M 4 Life]

All I care about this tournament is that Hill can show how good ti will be next year.

[HShockeywatcher]

Zamman, what did you hear about why they chose to stay down? I don't get that argument. If you've got games (like you said) and you have the opportunity to play a bunch of better teams, why not do it?

Still confused why Minnetonka would be asked to move up over a team like Cretin or Benilde...

[Neutron 14]

Zamman, what did you hear about why they chose to stay down? I don't get that argument. If you've got games (like you said) and you have the opportunity to play a bunch of better teams, why not do it?

Anybody else smell the stench of hypocrisy here?

[packerboy]

Good point Neut. HS hides out in B squad land and then chides others for wanting to have a competitive advantage.

But if I am in charge of the Schwans Cup (God forbid), teams play where they are put or they dont play.

[power92]

[quote="HShockeywatcher"]Why not (as much as it pains me to say this) ask Cretin to move up since they got 2nd in the silver? Too bad about Edina, but it doesn't seem right for a team to win and move up two divisions. Also, not to put down the teams in the Bronze, but walking through bad competition doesn't qualify you for skipping a division. There probably isn't a team from Silver that wouldn't have walked through like they did.

I'm guessing that is probably true for the most part weaker, but how for once try to not find one minor detail in everything I say and completely change topics of the thread? [

Does anyone understand this?

You really are a tool. READ THE POSTS. The reason(s) Edina is not playing the Blue has been dicussed. Keep gettin the posts up buddy.





Packerboy, God wouldn't forbid it, the MSHSL would. But I do agree, Edina should be up. I think some of the other teams in the "Blue" have tougher schedules than the Hornets, so if that is the reason,it's pretty weak.

Neut- she's just bitter cause the mighty STA wasn't asked up.

[HShockeywatcher]

weaker, if you can't understand what I was saying I really feel bad for you. All you do everytime I say anything is just find one minor little thing and pick it apart. In this case it was something that wasn't even true.

weaker, if you're going to keep commenting on things I say, read my post. I'm not asking why Edina isn't in the Blue. I agree with packerboy that they should be in the spot they are asked to or not be able to play. It was also commented that other teams have tougher schedules, so that reason is bogus. But I don't even care about them not going up, what I think is ridiculous is that Minnetonka was moved up to Blue. If you're going to comment on something, comment on that.

If you don't want my posts to keep going up, then start reading what I post and stop saying such stupid stuff for me to respond to. The majority of my posts are in response to things others say.

It makes me laugh when other people bring up St Thomas then time and time again I am accused of talking about them so much. If Edina doesn't want to go up, move Cretin up, move Benilde up, or if you don't like private schools, move Brainerd up.

[pipes3030]

on a smaller school note. why did Breck move up to the silver/red division after finishing 7th last year and not making it to state. meanwhile Blake was the consolation champ and made it to state, and they are staying in the bronze/white division.

[power92]

If you don't want my posts to keep going up, then start reading what I post and stop saying such stupid stuff for me to respond to. The majority of my posts are in response to things others say.

FISH ON!

You know, deep down you were wondering why Tonka got moved and STA didn't. You just didn't have the seeds to come out and say it, knowing you would have been hammered for it. Well, I let you off the hook.

I f you have such a problem with the way that tourny is set up, why do you talk to the organizers, I'm sure they would love your "input".

[HShockeywatcher]

No, St Thomas was 1-2 in the Silver Tourney last year. No reason they should move up at all. But hey, here's another ridiculous post of yours that I'm responding to. See, without this dumb post of your's mine would be one less.

This is a discussion board, for discussing opinions. That's what I'm doing. My opinion is that with the pool of teams they have, based on last year's performance that Cretin should be in the Blue, not Minnetonka.