Orono Coach Brad Ryan Gone?

fivehole628 · Post by **fivehole628** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:48 pm

George Blanda wrote:mnpuckfan21 - I, too, have seen Coach Ryan in action. And although I don't agree with coaches getting run out by parents, he was the biggest baby I saw behind any bench last year.

Very true, big whiner... for an example, in the game at Delano; Orono scored after the buzzer rang to head into O.T., all the Orono players knew the buzzer had rang so they just stood in their bench... but then Ryan yelled at them to go and celebrate the goal... so they did. As Ryan then walked on to the ice, the ref's called it no goal... and even though he knew it was true he just had to get a word in on this. So in front of the crowd he whined like a little baby. Whenever something doesnt go Ryan's way, he complains. I'm glad he's leaving... he sets a bad example for good sportsmanship. Oh by the way... that story was from a resource standing next to the Orono bench that game.

elitehockey · Post by **elitehockey** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:53 am

I have to laugh out loud when I read some of this nonsense about Ryan's coaching ability. I must applaud Ryan for stepping into a job where he was going to receive little financial benefit and not so great treatment .. and then proceeding to take medocre teams to 2 State Tournaments. He, as did most, probably understood why there wasn't a line-up of good coaches ready to interview for this coaching position.

I understand this is once again the case with this program.

fivehole628 · Post by **fivehole628** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:18 am

elitehockey wrote:I have to laugh out loud when I read some of this nonsense about Ryan's coaching ability. I must applaud Ryan for stepping into a job where he was going to receive little financial benefit and not so great treatment .. and then proceeding to take medocre teams to 2 State Tournaments. He, as did most, probably understood why there wasn't a line-up of good coaches ready to interview for this coaching position.

I understand this is once again the case with this program.

I agree that hes a good coach, but he needs to improve his attitude

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:04 pm

Any recent candidates for the job?

BARDOWN4s · Post by **BARDOWN4s** » Fri May 25, 2007 12:01 pm

BRAD RYAN 2 STate TOURNEY BIRTHS
Than he gets canned- I dont know Orono what more can you ask for if a parent thinks its so easy to coach let them coach a team they wont last a minute!!!!!

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Fri May 25, 2007 12:14 pm

Blue&Gold wrote:
George Blanda wrote:mnpuckfan21 - I, too, have seen Coach Ryan in action. And although I don't agree with coaches getting run out by parents, he was the biggest baby I saw behind any bench last year.

That said, he's had success at Orono. I have heard several complaints out of Orono, but like what was said...maybe their kid just wasn't good enough. Sometimes, the parents just need to get a clue.

The same thing has been happening up at Cathedral. A certain family's kids weren't playing and they pretty much forced out two coaches...and from what I've heard, have tried to get the third out.
I heard the same thing. Heck, even when the kid was playing, they wanted to get the current coach out. Sometimes hockey would be better if the parents only got a tape of the game after, and wasn't allowed into the rink. (Especially that family..)

"Happiness is coaching a team of orphans."

hockeygod · Post by **hockeygod** » Fri May 25, 2007 1:27 pm

I have done my share to get a coach fired and I have to say that the biggest thing a coach can do is keep the lines of communication open with the parents, once the coach blows off a parents concern (which may or may not be legit) the coach has started a war, if the coach makes a habit of blowing off parents he is building a list of enemys that will badmouth him at every opportunitty. where if he would have just addressed the potential problems to begin with he could have defused the situation before it got out of hand........i would rather have an agry parent inside my tent pissing out than outside my tent pissing in

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Fri May 25, 2007 3:22 pm

hockeygod wrote:I have done my share to get a coach fired and I have to say that the biggest thing a coach can do is keep the lines of communication open with the parents, once the coach blows off a parents concern (which may or may not be legit) the coach has started a war, if the coach makes a habit of blowing off parents he is building a list of enemys that will badmouth him at every opportunitty. where if he would have just addressed the potential problems to begin with he could have defused the situation before it got out of hand........i would rather have an agry parent inside my tent pissing out than outside my tent pissing in

Wow, bet the coaches loved you as your player(s) moved from Mites to High School. Bet your lad doesn't go to Holy Angels. Trebil won't deal with your type of interference. Give Trebil grief and your kid will ride the pine.

Do you yell at refs too???

A lot of coaches like Trebil and Pauly only deal with the kids during the season. If there is a player issue, the player needs to talk to coach.

Unless there is abuse or an academic issue, coaches should deal with players only while in season.

WendyClark · Post by **WendyClark** » Fri May 25, 2007 6:36 pm

hockeygod wrote:I have done my share to get a coach fired and I have to say that the biggest thing a coach can do is keep the lines of communication open with the parents, once the coach blows off a parents concern (which may or may not be legit) the coach has started a war, if the coach makes a habit of blowing off parents he is building a list of enemys that will badmouth him at every opportunitty. where if he would have just addressed the potential problems to begin with he could have defused the situation before it got out of hand........i would rather have an agry parent inside my tent pissing out than outside my tent pissing in

You must be very proud of YOURSELF! Quit playing through your sons/daughters eyes.

carpenterguy · Post by **carpenterguy** » Mon May 28, 2007 7:29 pm

hockeygod wrote:I have done my share to get a coach fired and I have to say that the biggest thing a coach can do is keep the lines of communication open with the parents, once the coach blows off a parents concern (which may or may not be legit) the coach has started a war, if the coach makes a habit of blowing off parents he is building a list of enemys that will badmouth him at every opportunitty. where if he would have just addressed the potential problems to begin with he could have defused the situation before it got out of hand........i would rather have an agry parent inside my tent pissing out than outside my tent pissing in

It's because of parents like you that many quality people get out of or stay out of coaching.

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Mon May 28, 2007 7:53 pm

carpenterguy wrote:
hockeygod wrote:I have done my share to get a coach fired and I have to say that the biggest thing a coach can do is keep the lines of communication open with the parents, once the coach blows off a parents concern (which may or may not be legit) the coach has started a war, if the coach makes a habit of blowing off parents he is building a list of enemys that will badmouth him at every opportunitty. where if he would have just addressed the potential problems to begin with he could have defused the situation before it got out of hand........i would rather have an agry parent inside my tent pissing out than outside my tent pissing in
It's because of parents like you that many quality people get out of or stay out of coaching.

Add quality refs to your list as well. Guys like that are probably all over them too. Couldn't be my kid........must be the coach or refs fault.

Get teachers fired? Why not, that D couldn't be the kid's fault. Must have been the idiot teacher.

Let parents parent, players play

Hockeyguy_27 · Post by **Hockeyguy_27** » Mon May 28, 2007 8:46 pm

hockeygod wrote:I have done my share to get a coach fired and I have to say that the biggest thing a coach can do is keep the lines of communication open with the parents, once the coach blows off a parents concern (which may or may not be legit) the coach has started a war, if the coach makes a habit of blowing off parents he is building a list of enemys that will badmouth him at every opportunitty. where if he would have just addressed the potential problems to begin with he could have defused the situation before it got out of hand........i would rather have an agry parent inside my tent pissing out than outside my tent pissing in

I completely disagree. The coach should be concerned with his players and shouldn't have to be accountable to the parents. The exceptions would be academic issues or extenuating personal circumstances. The biggest mistake a young coach can make is to open lines of communication with parents. This is like a green light for them to push their selfish agendas. Coaches should coach and parents should STFU!

notahockeyguy · Post by **notahockeyguy** » Mon May 28, 2007 9:21 pm

hockeygod I know you have done this before as you were the leader to get the Hill Murray girls coach fired and you daughter is not even gonna play next year. It is parents like you that really that make people want to get into or stay in high school coaching.

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Mon May 28, 2007 9:58 pm

notahockeyguy wrote:hockeygod I know you have done this before as you were the leader to get the Hill Murray girls coach fired and you daughter is not even gonna play next year. It is parents like you that really that make people want to get into or stay in high school coaching.

The guy needs a hobby. Maybe road-rage during rush hour.

hockeygod · Post by **hockeygod** » Tue May 29, 2007 8:30 am

You guys are so funny, you form a lynch mob without even knowing all the facts...hows that any different than what happens to coaches, as for the Hill Murrays girls coach yes I was part of the lynch mob but I was far from the leader. As for my daughter, she no longer goes to Hill Murray. I was just trying to point out that if coaches comunicated better with the parents they wouldn't be losing there job as much. That was the case with Hill's girls coach, As more pressure was put on him he climbed deeper into his shell and allowed the rumblings to turn into earthquakes that proved to be the end of his coaching tenure, and by handling things the way he did we saw it as he was firing himself. Because he never felt he needed to justify his decisions to the parents he never gained the support he needed to fend off the onslaught he was up against..he underestemated the resolve of quite a few parents and hid in his silence.

bugsy · Post by **bugsy** » Tue May 29, 2007 8:32 am

Hockeyguy_27 wrote:
hockeygod wrote:I have done my share to get a coach fired and I have to say that the biggest thing a coach can do is keep the lines of communication open with the parents, once the coach blows off a parents concern (which may or may not be legit) the coach has started a war, if the coach makes a habit of blowing off parents he is building a list of enemys that will badmouth him at every opportunitty. where if he would have just addressed the potential problems to begin with he could have defused the situation before it got out of hand........i would rather have an agry parent inside my tent pissing out than outside my tent pissing in
I completely disagree. The coach should be concerned with his players and shouldn't have to be accountable to the parents. The exceptions would be academic issues or extenuating personal circumstances. The biggest mistake a young coach can make is to open lines of communication with parents. This is like a green light for them to push their selfish agendas. Coaches should coach and parents should STFU!

I agree completely. I know that my son's head coach has a rule that if the kids have a problem with stuff, ie playing time etc, that they need to be the one that talks to the coach. This is not just about sports, it is also helping these kids mature and preparing them for the real world where mommy and daddy are not going to be able to dictate how things go for their kids. Parents, the best thing you can do for your player is let them deal with frustrations directly and not let them come home and say "Daddy coach is not playing me enough, can you make a call for me"
Instead, tell the dang kid to go find out why he is not playing and then work on the things needed to get more playing time.
These kids are young adults and need to be treated that way.

hockeygod · Post by **hockeygod** » Tue May 29, 2007 8:48 am

If someone is getting fired over playing time thats a tragedy, in our case there were many underlying reasons that had nothing to do with playing time or how the team played it was about little things that we don't need to go into. Things that may have an explanation but left unexplained raise many questions with parents about how things are being run. when a coach turn his back like many of you suggest he is asking for problems.....it's just my opinion from what I've seen first hand

Knowlzee · Post by **Knowlzee** » Tue May 29, 2007 9:11 am

Maybe it would be best to go to the bathroom in the proper facility, such as a tiolet,....satelite,.....or at least well into the woods away from the tent. Being inside the tent and trying to go outside is very risky. At best, you may leave a puddle at the tent entrace to step in. And be careful not to set up the tent on a slope with the door at high ground, as it may run in the door (or under the tent) any way.

Botom line - Angry parents relieving themselves anywhere near the tent may not be a good idea.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Tue May 29, 2007 9:21 am

Knowlzee wrote:Maybe it would be best to go to the bathroom in the proper facility, such as a tiolet,....satelite,.....or at least well into the woods away from the tent. Being inside the tent and trying to go outside is very risky. At best, you may leave a puddle at the tent entrace to step in. And be careful not to set up the tent on a slope with the door at high ground, as it may run in the door (or under the tent) any way.

Botom line - Angry parents relieving themselves anywhere near the tent may not be a good idea.

Camping this past weekend Knowlzee???

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Tue May 29, 2007 10:54 am

I have thought about this coach communication issue for quite some time, and I believe that the coach has to be a very good communicator to his players, these young men go out and bust there humps for one thing.. and that's to play the game they love, if they are not getting feedback on a continous basis, then IMO the coach is not performing at a level that is acceptable.

Little Johnny should never have to even have to ask mom or dad to make a call, because the player should know where he stands ... what his strengths to build on are, and his weaknesses to improve on are.
If all this information is communicated to the player on an ongoing basis, with a clear channel to ask the coach and get honest feedback on why things are the way they are, then there should be no problem.

If Johnny comes home and mom or dad say's " why are you not playing much", Johnny should be able to say I talked to coach(or better yet, coach talked to me ) and he said, I need to do this and that, and I understand what it is he is telling me.
And then mom and dad... as disappointed and hurt for Johnny you may be, need to accept that fact and watch and see if Jonny has the salt to pick it up or is going to fold, that's the true charactor of someone who will succeed in life.

Coaches out there, you want less parent problems? always communicate with your players, give them some 1 on 1 time (even just a minute here and there)and let the players communicate with the parents.

Players, communicate with your parents! they want to know what's going on! many parent/coach problems would never start if the player would communicate honestly with the parents in the 1st place.

Parents, the coach has 20 some Varsity players, and 20 some JV players to communicate with, so be patient.
They are coaching the players and do not owe anything to the parents, other then mutual respect. I have found that the 24 hr rule is the minimum and that if you wait even longer you will see things more clearly, and possibly not embarass yourself and your child.

So if the coach and players are communicating and everyone knows where their at, that's well done, if the players don't know, and can't keep the parents informed there will be problems.

So in the short version = communication is the key if everyone knows there role.

My 2 ¢ been there! - done that!

hockeygod · Post by **hockeygod** » Tue May 29, 2007 11:18 am

I agree with you 100%, communication is the key good coaching, and if the players are informed it helps inform the parents not only of the good parts of a program but also of the bad parts of the program. and if a coach is willing to deal with the problems as the come along (and they will come) then he will be successful. I also agree that some of the coaches that have been fired may not have deserved to be, but there undoing didn't come from one problem or one small group of parents as is implied on this board. In most cases there firing came from not responding to problems as the came up. An athletic director won't fire a coach cause he's making coaching decisions but he will fire a coach because he's not respected by the team or his real customers, the parents. and that respect is earned. When asked a question by a player or parent The coach should answer it. Not by hiding, swearing, making himself unavailable. When my child asks why he's not playing my child needs to hear that he needs to work on his skating, or passing, or whatever, thats what coaching is, it is teaching the game. Not going into a cuss filled diatribe about why people are always complaining about playing time, and to often that diatribe is what starts the ball rolling into a coach getting fired and everyone thinks it's about playing time when in reality it's about attitude.....and by the way, the Hill girls coach didn't get fired over playing time. it was multiple things that added up over time

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Tue May 29, 2007 11:46 am

The one thing that I have a hard time with there is "customers?"
I could make more money driving a school bus part time, then what these guys get paid.
These coaches mostly do this because of their love for the game, and kids, and to give something back.

Yes, there are the ego freaks, and the power mongers, but I believe that is the minority.

I'm curious what question would be suitable for a parent to approach the coach rather then the player doing it? unless it was maybe a volunteer issue or something.

Clearly if the coach is abusive then the player/parent should be approching the AD not the coach.
I have been around kids and this game for many years in parenting and coaching, and not all these little johnny's are very respectful of the coaches, teammates, parents, or any authority, and it's not suprising to me that a good portion of the problems with parents/player/ and communication come from the same kids that seem to lack this respect...it all starts at home...and you know the apple don't fall far from the tree!!

hockeygod · Post by **hockeygod** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:05 pm

Your right about kids not being respectful around coaches, but the coach supposed to be the adult in this situation. As for the customer, yes the parents are customers because without the parental support either the kids will be gone or the coach will be gone and even though the coach dosn't get the money (which I think is a crime) the district is getting money for the student attending there and alot of athletes would not go to a school with out a sports program. What question should a parent ask? how about "Why are you screaming at kids outside tht lockeroom during the game where all the fans can see?" or how about " where were you, the whole team was at the arena and you never showed" or how about "do you really feel it's neccesary to swear so much in front of the kids" ... the bottem line is if a kid is being disrespected it is the parents who must then ask the questions because the kid will not ask anything from a coach who is a bully, if the parent is then disrespected then they should be going to the AD with the problem. and I have seen some parents who ask the coaches questions because they don't beleive what there kids are telling them and they just want to verify what was said. so there are many cases where a coach should be asked things by a parent.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:34 pm

hockeygod wrote:Your right about kids not being respectful around coaches, but the coach supposed to be the adult in this situation. As for the customer, yes the parents are customers because without the parental support either the kids will be gone or the coach will be gone and even though the coach dosn't get the money (which I think is a crime) the district is getting money for the student attending there and alot of athletes would not go to a school with out a sports program. What question should a parent ask? how about "Why are you screaming at kids outside tht lockeroom during the game where all the fans can see?" or how about " where were you, the whole team was at the arena and you never showed" or how about "do you really feel it's neccesary to swear so much in front of the kids" ... the bottem line is if a kid is being disrespected it is the parents who must then ask the questions because the kid will not ask anything from a coach who is a bully, if the parent is then disrespected then they should be going to the AD with the problem. and I have seen some parents who ask the coaches questions because they don't beleive what there kids are telling them and they just want to verify what was said. so there are many cases where a coach should be asked things by a parent.

I think most of your examples are straight to the AD questions.Public humiliation, excessive swearing, bullying, and intimidation.
The last one about verifcation is a good reason and is understandable, although it eludes to a trust issue, to you not believe what the player has told you the coach said? or you don't believe what the coach is saying is true?
The rest should be dealt with thru the AD... just as if you have a problem at the store you ask to see the manager, or their boss.

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:40 pm

hockeygod wrote:Your right about kids not being respectful around coaches, but the coach supposed to be the adult in this situation. As for the customer, yes the parents are customers because without the parental support either the kids will be gone or the coach will be gone and even though the coach dosn't get the money (which I think is a crime) the district is getting money for the student attending there and alot of athletes would not go to a school with out a sports program. What question should a parent ask? how about "Why are you screaming at kids outside tht lockeroom during the game where all the fans can see?" or how about " where were you, the whole team was at the arena and you never showed" or how about "do you really feel it's neccesary to swear so much in front of the kids" ... the bottem line is if a kid is being disrespected it is the parents who must then ask the questions because the kid will not ask anything from a coach who is a bully, if the parent is then disrespected then they should be going to the AD with the problem. and I have seen some parents who ask the coaches questions because they don't beleive what there kids are telling them and they just want to verify what was said. so there are many cases where a coach should be asked things by a parent.

How in the world did your squad get a coach like you are describing?

I had a coach that I felt disrespected me in high school. My dad suggested that I ask for a meeting with the coach. It took courage, but I had that meeting with coach. We discussed the concerns I had and went on.

In the meeting he said I had things to work on. I worked on my deficiencies and made myself a better player. Coach helped me be a better player and a better person. My dad made me a better person because he stayed away from the problem and issisted that I handle it myself.

It took courage for my dad to insist that I handle the problem I had with coach.

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