Aaron Crandall to Green Bay

shooter111 · Post by **shooter111** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:49 am

Touche, guys.

But yeah not gonna lie, its just fun being there.
Winning is obviously a good thing, but honestly, wouldnt you want fans who'd be at the games no matter what?

Has the Crandall leaving thing been confirmed yet anyway? Or is it still just a rumor.

thestickler07 · Post by **thestickler07** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:54 am

Last I heard it sounded like he was staying. But I am not sure. Saint Thomas does have a capable backup in Altrichter, but I am unsure of his status. I guess we will see next year.

forecheck · Post by **forecheck** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:48 pm

flatontheice wrote:
forecheck wrote:
Dino wrote:Dont print that....word is Aaron Crandall of St Thomas will spend his senior year playing for the Gamblers......
heard they are also after K Flaherty from east to leave and play his
senior year, see he is on the roster anybody????

Keegan isnt going anywhere. Go post your rumors somewhere else.

Chill Pal,,, didn't start a rumor, it's the truth

Cristo · Post by **Cristo** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:09 pm

shooter111 wrote:Touche, guys.

But yeah not gonna lie, its just fun being there.
Winning is obviously a good thing, but honestly, wouldnt you want fans who'd be at the games no matter what?

Has the Crandall leaving thing been confirmed yet anyway? Or is it still just a rumor.

One of my buddies talked to Crandall on Monday, confirming this rumor to be true. Crandall will be leaving next year for the USHL.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:21 pm

Just curious why an all state goalie would leave. I'm from the community so I care a little bit, but it's not like we haven't had top players leave before. Just curious why you'd leave when you are an all state athlete and have the chance to lead your team to another state championship, especially for your senior year. That's a lot to give up.

Hockeyguy_27 · Post by **Hockeyguy_27** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:36 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:Just curious why an all state goalie would leave. I'm from the community so I care a little bit, but it's not like we haven't had top players leave before. Just curious why you'd leave when you are an all state athlete and have the chance to lead your team to another state championship, especially for your senior year. That's a lot to give up.

Maybe it is like he has already done as much as there is to do in HS hockey. He was All State and won a state tournament. I don't fault him for doing this.

Cristo · Post by **Cristo** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:40 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:Just curious why an all state goalie would leave. I'm from the community so I care a little bit, but it's not like we haven't had top players leave before. Just curious why you'd leave when you are an all state athlete and have the chance to lead your team to another state championship, especially for your senior year. That's a lot to give up.

It could be that he's already been blessed with the experience of winning a state championship and feels that he would progress more effectively as an athlete if he were to face tougher competition. However, that's a moot point as it's likely he may not see any ice time next year. He'll be a third string goalie to begin with and, although USHL rules state that a high school transfer must dress for 60% of games, Crandall will dress but not play (assuming no complications ensue with Green Bay's current starting goaltender).

Hockeyguy_27 · Post by **Hockeyguy_27** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:47 pm

Cristo wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:Just curious why an all state goalie would leave. I'm from the community so I care a little bit, but it's not like we haven't had top players leave before. Just curious why you'd leave when you are an all state athlete and have the chance to lead your team to another state championship, especially for your senior year. That's a lot to give up.
It could be that he's already been blessed with the experience of winning a state championship and feels that he would progress more effectively as an athlete if he were to face tougher competition. However, that's a moot point as it's likely he may not see any ice time next year. He'll be a third string goalie to begin with and, although USHL rules state that a high school transfer must dress for 60% of games, Crandall will dress but not play (assuming no complications ensue with Green Bay's current starting goaltender).

Cristo, you said what I said only more eloquently

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:06 pm

Well, after your explanation my question is quiet more relevant. If you could dress but barely play any games or have a chance at playing 90% of games and winning a state title while spending your senior year with the guys you've spent all of high school with, which would you choose?

Seems like a no brainer to me. That's all.

hockey59 · Post by **hockey59** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:48 pm

I observed the Green Bay try-out camp. Crandall simply played the best and that's why he was selected. He will get his share of playing time. In addition, th headquarters of the company his dad works for is located in Green Bay, so its a nice situation for his family. Best of Luck to Aaron!

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:35 am

Well.. now another player gets a chance to play that probably woudn't have, while this one gets to further himself to the next level.
Keep in mind the sport is for the players, and their futures, we as fans (Alumni

) are just lucky enough to have the best state in which to watch the sport we love so much.

I say best of luck to the both of them.

mnhockey9009 · Post by **mnhockey9009** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:25 pm

HS,
How are you doing after all these big losses, Lee, Crandall, Larson, Walters?, does totino have a chance to upset them and make a run to state?

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:53 pm

mnhockey9009, you didn't list the biggest loss of them all, but that's all right, they'll be fine come sections. And it's not a loss if the players go off and do well elsewhere.

hockeyfanatic99 · Post by **hockeyfanatic99** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:18 am

I see that he is noted as an "affiliate" - what does that mean?

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... ThUg&gid=3

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:36 am

Well, they do all ready have two goalies, both of whom are quite younger and probably have more room to grow. Why not play on a team around here and still play high school? I know people think it's me whining, but it's not. The Cadets would be just fine with the loss, but I could've never given up my senior year like that, especially if I was a returning all state player who could possibly lead my team to another state title.

hockey59 · Post by **hockey59** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:49 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:Well, they do all ready have two goalies, both of whom are quite younger and probably have more room to grow. Why not play on a team around here and still play high school? I know people think it's me whining, but it's not. The Cadets would be just fine with the loss, but I could've never given up my senior year like that, especially if I was a returning all state player who could possibly lead my team to another state title.

HShockeywatcher...let it go...Cranny already won a state title...his next goal is playing D1 hockey...he will get there faster playing in Green Bay...playing and practicing against far superior shooters (compared to High School players)...D1 colleges tend to wait a while before making offers to goalies...case in point... Kent Patterson was taken in the NHL draft yesterday...but still hasn't committed to a D1 school (this could be by his choice, I don't know)...but if not, it goes to show you how much longer it takes for goalies to get offers...another example is Reid Ellingson...just recently committing to Northern Michigan.

The decision process is simply different when your a goalie...and 1990 birth year Cranny is one of two goalies (along with 1987 birth year Kyle Rank) on Green Bays protected list...Aaron will do very well in Green Bay.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:18 pm

hockey59, there's nothing to let go. I've said I'm fine with it. What you wrote was very informative. Maybe I didn't know that they wait to give offers to goalies, which I didn't.

Why can't people simply answer questions instead of being so rude?

hockey59 · Post by **hockey59** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:25 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:Well, after your explanation my question is quiet more relevant. If you could dress but barely play any games or have a chance at playing 90% of games and winning a state title while spending your senior year with the guys you've spent all of high school with, which would you choose?

Seems like a no brainer to me. That's all.

Another HSW quote "Well, they do all ready have two goalies, both of whom are quite younger and probably have more room to grow. Why not play on a team around here and still play high school? I know people think it's me whining, but it's not. The Cadets would be just fine with the loss, but I could've never given up my senior year like that, especially if I was a returning all state player who could possibly lead my team to another state title.

Another HSW quote "Just curious why an all state goalie would leave. I'm from the community so I care a little bit, but it's not like we haven't had top players leave before. Just curious why you'd leave when you are an all state athlete and have the chance to lead your team to another state championship, especially for your senior year. That's a lot to give up".

My bad...its just the way it is...I'm sure it was a very tough decision for Aaron and his family...but the decision was made...this is the path he decided to follow...he is one of the top 2 goalies at Green Bay next year and will get plenty of playing time...best of luck to Aaron!

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:23 pm

Best of luck to him. Hopefully he can do well and impress some good colleges.

goaler · Post by **goaler** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:13 pm

Saw him play twice last year.

Eden Prairie scored five on about 30 shots.

Owatonna, yes Owatonna, scored six on about 30 shots. He looked awful. Down way too soon. No movement. what's up?

Come on, what's all the talk about?

gabT · Post by **gabT** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:20 pm

Personally, I think that he is a great goalie. The only bad thing I could say about him is that he gets too mad at himself which is probably the reason the he had the 2 performances that goaler mentioned. All-State, is that good?

I wish him luck in the future.

goalieguy1 · Post by **goalieguy1** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:37 am

We've had this discussion before, but the consensus of most scouts is that Crandall is an average goalie at best. He's been protected by playing on very good teams. I remember one scout at their section final saying that if STA and Red Wing had changed goalies, STA would have won 12-0, instead of it being 3-2 after two periods.

His numbers are impressive because STA dominates a lot of the poorer teams on their schedule. For example, last year he had these games:

SSP - 1 goal on 11 shots
Sibley - 1 goal on 10 shots
Tartan - a 12-save shutout
Simley - an 11-save shutout
Tartan again - 1 goal on 11 shots

So his stats get padded without breaking a sweat, but then when he faces good teams you get:

Duluth Marshall - 4 on 33 shots
Cretin - 5 on 22 shots
Edina - 4 on 32 shots
Burnsville - 2 on 18 shots
Brainerd - 3 on 18 shots
Hill-Murray - 4 on 28 shots

I realize he had another good games against H-M, along with a couple others, but the bottom line is that he's totally a product of the great STA teams of recent years...if the team hadn't carried him to state (where he got outplayed by the Hermantown goalie) there would be no talk of him being "all-state" - and it's highly unlikely he'll be any factor at all in the USHL. I don't want to sound like I'm ripping on him personally, he's probably a great kid, but he's absolutely an ordinary goalie.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:36 pm

goalieguy1,

I'm not at all going to try to rip you apart, because I too believe he isn't god on skates. He's a good goalie, but I've talked to many who have played with him and they don't think he's amazing, quite overrated. Although, I do think that saying "he's totally a product of the great STA teams of recent years" is a bit over the top. He was the sole reason St Thomas was still in the game at OT that they played Edina in Schwans. But my problem with him is his consistency. He'll have a great game like that, then a horrible one, instead of just being consistently good. And as was said he gets mad at himself. If there is a zero under the name of the other team on the scoreboard he does play like a top notch goalie, but once the numbers get bigger he starts falling apart.

The question I have though is why he was selected all state? Even if what you say is true that he was just carried by the great team he was on, St Thomas is a small Class A team when there are many bigger Class AA teams and other A teams. I was even baffled by him getting it. But you don't get an honor like all state, an honor that only two goalies get if you don't have it. Why not Phillippi or something like that?

Jans22 · Post by **Jans22** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:26 pm

I heard from a reliable source that Keegan Flarehty from Duluth East along with Taylor Johnson from White Bear Lake will be leaving their Senior years along with Crandal, can anyone confirm this please?

goalieguy1 · Post by **goalieguy1** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:53 pm

We've been through this before...He put up great stats with a very good team, but if you break the stats down, there's nothing special there. You could have taken any one of 25 goalies from around the state, put them on STA and they would still have won 24 games and gone to state.

I don't have time to go through the whole numbers drill, but one thing that jumps out is that he had eight shutouts, which seems impressive. Then you look closer and see that three of them were against Richfield, and he didn't have to make too many saves to get them. Then he gets a 5-save shutout against North, an 12-save shutout against Simley, a 12-save shutout against Tartan...In his eight shutouts, he averaged less than 18 shots a game, and his team won by a combined 39-0. These are games that any competent varsity goalie is going to get a shutout in.

Again, I'm not saying he's a bad goalie, or a bad kid, he's just an average goalie who was lucky enough to play on a great team. If I'm wrong, and he has a big season in Green Bay, I'll admit my mistake, but I don't see that happening.

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