UND LOSES ANOTHER NORTHERN BOY RAVENDALEN COMMITS TO SCSU

crazymary · Post by **crazymary** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:30 pm

[quote="USA Hockey"]Just because a recruit was offered a scholarship at a respective school doesn't mean the amount of the scholarship was matched by the other school. The recruit will then take what he feels is the better offer (larger amount of money). This happens plenty of times in recruiting including this and the Marvin situation. Also, with Jordy Christian I will stand by my source and say he was never offered by UND.[/quote]

Never disputed that. Questions came up whether there was a an offer from UND or whether they were even interested. According to the interview with Bryce it's obvious that UND was not only interested, but made some type of offer. I don't care if it was close to nothing, it looks like an offer was made. Good for SCSU and Bryce.

Puckguy19 · Post by **Puckguy19** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:10 pm

crazymary wrote:
USA Hockey wrote:Just because a recruit was offered a scholarship at a respective school doesn't mean the amount of the scholarship was matched by the other school. The recruit will then take what he feels is the better offer (larger amount of money). This happens plenty of times in recruiting including this and the Marvin situation. Also, with Jordy Christian I will stand by my source and say he was never offered by UND.
Never disputed that. Questions came up whether there was a an offer from UND or whether they were even interested. According to the interview with Bryce it's obvious that UND was not only interested, but made some type of offer. I don't care if it was close to nothing, it looks like an offer was made. Good for SCSU and Bryce.

If that's the case, then agreed . . . good for SCSU. As to good for Bryce . . . I don't know. If all those schools were interested, and offering opportunities, SCSU is a curious choice. Not really a consistent top-five WCHA program.

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:17 pm

USA Hockey wrote:Just because a recruit was offered a scholarship at a respective school doesn't mean the amount of the scholarship was matched by the other school. The recruit will then take what he feels is the better offer (larger amount of money).

It could very well be that in this situation he was offered as much by the school you root for. Just because UND lost out in this case, it doesn't mean it had to be due to a scholarship disparity. There are a lot of factors that go into these decisions and this kid may have seen a better fit elsewhere for a variety of reasons that had nothing to do scholarship amount.

wingsrule · Post by **wingsrule** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:28 am

Gopher Blog wrote:
USA Hockey wrote:Just because a recruit was offered a scholarship at a respective school doesn't mean the amount of the scholarship was matched by the other school. The recruit will then take what he feels is the better offer (larger amount of money).
It could very well be that in this situation he was offered as much by the school you root for. Just because UND lost out in this case, it doesn't mean it had to be due to a scholarship disparity. There are a lot of factors that go into these decisions and this kid may have seen a better fit elsewhere for a variety of reasons that had nothing to do scholarship amount.

GopherBlog - Help me out here. Year's ago I know it was common for the Gopher's to provide "partial scholarships" in hockey. I was told by a former college administrator that the top athletic programs (hockey, football & basketball) were mandated to provide full rides to their recruits. Can you confirm or set me straight? Thanks!

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:37 am

wingsrule wrote:GopherBlog - Help me out here. Year's ago I know it was common for the Gopher's to provide "partial scholarships" in hockey. I was told by a former college administrator that the top athletic programs (hockey, football & basketball) were mandated to provide full rides to their recruits. Can you confirm or set me straight? Thanks!

Partial scholarships are commonplace in college hockey. Partial scholarships are very much allowed. Each D1 program can hand out a maximum of 18 scholarships and are allowed to split them up as they deem necessary.

I believe the athletes have to receive full scholarships in all other sports and maybe this administrator is just under the assumption that hockey is the same way. But he is incorrect.

greenwave9 · Post by **greenwave9** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:24 pm

Bryce is a very good high school player who has a tendancy to overhandle the puck. My only question would be if he is tough enough to play at this level. When I have seen him if you put a body on him he is no where to be found. No question he has the tools to play at this level.

mn4hockey · Post by **mn4hockey** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:22 pm

even if this is true it's just a verbal commitment which virtually means nothing other than you have the schools attention... a school can make verbal commitments to 20 players a year if they want to but that doesn't mean they're gonna keep all of them... i wouldn't believe it until it's on paper... bryce is a good hockey player and might play d-1 one day, but it's my personal opinion that he would have to play a year or two of juniors before any school would commit to someone with his size and injury backround... if it all works out, congrats to bryce..

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:12 pm

mn4hockey wrote:even if this is true it's just a verbal commitment which virtually means nothing other than you have the schools attention... a school can make verbal commitments to 20 players a year if they want to but that doesn't mean they're gonna keep all of them... i wouldn't believe it until it's on paper... bryce is a good hockey player and might play d-1 one day, but it's my personal opinion that he would have to play a year or two of juniors before any school would commit to someone with his size and injury backround... if it all works out, congrats to bryce..

I don't know Bryce. His name does appear in Heisenberg's hockey recruit page. It also talks about verbal commitments, etc.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... D4LEtZ3kFg

Heisenberg is usually right on. I would say congratulations to Bryce are in order

Grizzly12 · Post by **Grizzly12** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:54 am

Just a question. Who writes the Allenspachs blog? And where does he get his information?

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:04 am

Grizzly12 wrote:Just a question. Who writes the Allenspachs blog? And where does he get his information?

Okay, I'll bite. Kevin Allenspach is a pretty good journalist for the St. Cloud Times, so he gets his information directly from the source (players, coaches, etc.). Otherwise, in his blog he will often link to other reputable blogs and news outlets.

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:05 pm

Seems to me UND is attracting some solid city types: Fink, Kristo, Gleason and most recently Feinhage.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:42 pm

breakout wrote:Seems to me UND is attracting some solid city types: Fink, Kristo, Gleason and most recently Feinhage.

Kristo grew up a Sioux fan, though he is indeed a quality player. The other three were good recruiting victories, though I believe (correct me if you'd like GB) that Fink was the only one being pursued by the Gophers.

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:30 pm

The Exiled One wrote:Kristo grew up a Sioux fan, though he is indeed a quality player. The other three were good recruiting victories, though I believe (correct me if you'd like GB) that Fink was the only one being pursued by the Gophers.

Fink and Kristo (though I think they knew it was unlikely on Kristo so how hard they went after him is up for debate). But much further along with Fink (we don't need to open that old story again). The two defensemen were not pursued at all (other than your usual general "recruiting contact" that a lot of kids get at some point).

Speaking of which, the whole "recruiting contact" remark that some media people (such as Allenspach) use in commitment articles is a rather meaningless term. If a school isn't going to be serious enough to offer a scholarship (or tell a player they will offer one at some point soon), then "recruiting contact" is a rather empty comment. Talking to a kid about his future and nothing more is not exactly the same as offering him a scholarship to play on your team.

WarroadWarrior · Post by **WarroadWarrior** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:09 am

You are trying to tell me that Cary Eades had no clue how good a player Bryce is? I'm sure he was well aware and they at least tried getting him there

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:32 am

Cary Eades seems to be one of the hardest working WCHA Assitant Coach/recruiter. I can't imagine much slipping by him.

Hockeyguy_27 · Post by **Hockeyguy_27** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:46 pm

breakout wrote:Cary Eades seems to be one of the hardest working WCHA Assitant Coach/recruiter. I can't imagine much slipping by him.

Yes, I agree Eades is like the James Brown of WCHA coaches (without the silly clothing and dancing)

Fargo · Post by **Fargo** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:57 pm

Hockeyguy_27 wrote:
breakout wrote:Cary Eades seems to be one of the hardest working WCHA Assitant Coach/recruiter. I can't imagine much slipping by him.
Yes, I agree Eades is like the James Brown of WCHA coaches (without the silly clothing and dancing)

Eades was the gutsiest college hockey fighter - diving into and taking on the entire Wisconsin bench by himself.

Hockeyguy_27 · Post by **Hockeyguy_27** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:43 pm

Fargo wrote:
Hockeyguy_27 wrote:
breakout wrote:Cary Eades seems to be one of the hardest working WCHA Assitant Coach/recruiter. I can't imagine much slipping by him.
Yes, I agree Eades is like the James Brown of WCHA coaches (without the silly clothing and dancing)
Eades was the gutsiest college hockey fighter - diving into and taking on the entire Wisconsin bench by himself.

I think that might have been Jim Archibald. He was a complete nut job.

D16Dad · Post by **D16Dad** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:51 am

Hockeyguy_27 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
Hockeyguy_27 wrote: Yes, I agree Eades is like the James Brown of WCHA coaches (without the silly clothing and dancing)
Eades was the gutsiest college hockey fighter - diving into and taking on the entire Wisconsin bench by himself.
I think that might have been Jim Archibald. He was a complete nut job.

That was a great Sioux era