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[Neutron 14]

Poor witto Roseau. Always makes me laugh.

Roseau has such few numbers compared to the "cities teams" how can they compete?

Simple. Youth and High School Hockey "DEFINE" Roseau. Here is my top 5 reasons.

1. There is virtuely no competition with other sports for the best atheletes.
2. Their coaching throughout the ranks is not matched by any other association.
3. Ice time is not a problem.
4. The commitment and support to the program encompasses the whole town.
5. Hey its Roseau, what else is there to do?

Come HS tournament time, 90% of the citiots are rooting for poor witto Roseau. Me too.

[BoogeyMan]

Neutron14, Come on! Are you serious? Yes hockey is the main sport in Roseau. What's wrong with that?

The funny thing about it. Their kids get just as much ice time as any of the top skaters in the metro. Yet none of the metro teams could touch Roseau this year? Why not?

Don't feel sorry for witto poor Roseau. Feel sorry for the metro teams that have numbers and couldn't compete. Spare me on the good metro skaters went elsewhere to play routine.

If you want the commitment and support for the program to encompass your whole town. You have some work to do. Roseau found a way to do it. Can you? Good luck!

Don't be jealous. Admire what they accomplished.

PEACE!

[tomASS]

Neutron14, Come on! Are you serious? Yes hockey is the main sport in Roseau. What's wrong with that?

The funny thing about it. Their kids get just as much ice time as any of the top skaters in the metro. Yet none of the metro teams could touch Roseau this year? Why not?

Don't feel sorry for witto poor Roseau. Feel sorry for the metro teams that have numbers and couldn't compete. Spare me on the good metro skaters went elsewhere to play routine.

If you want the commitment and support for the program to encompass your whole town. You have some work to do. Roseau found a way to do it. Can you? Good luck!

Don't be jealous. Admire what they accomplished.

PEACE!

[Neutron 14]

Ya got me too tomASS, I've got no idea how he interpreted what I said the way he did. Nor do I care. HS got a brother?

[tomASS]

Ya got me too tomASS, I've got no idea how he interpreted what I said the way he did. Nor do I care. HS got a brother?

we're on the same page - see the clear shield mask topic and my last comment.

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Ya got me too tomASS, I've got no idea how he interpreted what I said the way he did. Nor do I care. HS got a brother?

we're on the same page - see the clear shield mask topic and my last comment.

BoogeyMan = ChanMan made a mistake of thinking he had a clear mask on. May explain some things.

[DumpandChase1]

I am wondering why people are saying that Roseau is one of the top associations around. The last I checked they have only won 4 state titles, 3 pee wee and 1 bantam. Their last title coming in 1986.

They have a very successful high school program, but that was not the original question.

[tomASS]

I am wondering why people are saying that Roseau is one of the top associations around. The last I checked they have only won 4 state titles, 3 pee wee and 1 bantam. Their last title coming in 1986.

They have a very successful high school program, but that was not the original question.

but maybe it's focus has been on player development at the youth level rather than just about winning ? That would be reflected at the HS level.

[BoogeyMan]

I am wondering why people are saying that Roseau is one of the top associations around. The last I checked they have only won 4 state titles, 3 pee wee and 1 bantam. Their last title coming in 1986.

They have a very successful high school program, but that was not the original question.

but maybe it's focus has been on player development at the youth level rather than just about winning ? That would be reflected at the HS level.

tomASS- It's taking a while. But I think you're understanding the whole process. Just like I've been trying to tell you. Develop the kids when they're younger and watch them succeed when their high school players.

Kind of like your advanced soccer league you were a part of. Develop the kids young.

I'm kind of getting choked up. You FINALLY get it.

It may be time for the beer you promised me.

PEACE!

[tomASS]

topic was hockey associations - was addressing Roseau's good one like many here in the TC.

I'm always been for youth development, never against it - the means is how we differ.

By the way which is your favorite youth hockey association?

[BoogeyMan]

My favorite youth hockey association? Hmmmmm! Tough one. I respect many of the obvious associations.
But you have to tip your hat to the associations play at a higher level with smaller numbers. Hard to overlook.

tomASS, A couple questions for you:

1) What are the negative effects on youth hockey associations if younger kids play up?
If some kids are good at a younger age. Why not let them play up? Even Wayne Gretzky started playing with kids two years older than himself. Everyone always likes to use Gretzky as an example.

2) If the associations choose not to let the kids play up. Why not offer elite or advance programs for the kids?
If parents don't agree with the association. They are hancuffed. They are forced to play with the association in there community. Or go play in another type of program. This is what you are seeing kids do. I know, I know. Mites shouldn't skate more than 50 hours in a season. Blah, blah, blah. Fact is, the kids are leaving their local associations to find more ice time and better instruction. Time will tell if this is a success or not. We'll see! I'm not trying to justify anything. Facts are facts! It will be interesting to see what happens in the next couple years.

PEACE!

[tomASS]

you didn't answer my question- vagueness is not an answer. What are the obvious ones and why?

Which one's are you tipping your hat to?

[Can't Never Tried]

1) What are the negative effects on youth hockey associations if younger kids play up?

Interference by overzealous parents!

2) If the associations choose not to let the kids play up. Why not offer elite or advance programs for the kids?

Because again... It's overzealous parents that think they know what's best for youth hockey....It's not about seperating kids...good kids make average kids better when they play against each other..the greater good!

[breakout]

Booga Man is going to get another thread locked up. He has already knocked out two.

Same old deal...............his agenda

Check out the rules: stick to the topic

[tomASS]

you didn't answer my question- vagueness is not an answer. What are the obvious ones and why?

Which one's are you tipping your hat to?

so sticking to the rules as breakout suggests

Boogeyman - questions concerning the topic asked above.

Do you have any answers to the topic matter at hand?

[DumpandChase1]

I am wondering why people are saying that Roseau is one of the top associations around. The last I checked they have only won 4 state titles, 3 pee wee and 1 bantam. Their last title coming in 1986.

They have a very successful high school program, but that was not the original question.

but maybe it's focus has been on player development at the youth level rather than just about winning ? That would be reflected at the HS level.

tomAss, good point. But, Roseau also does not have to worry about losing its top players to 10 different private schools.

[tomASS]

I am wondering why people are saying that Roseau is one of the top associations around. The last I checked they have only won 4 state titles, 3 pee wee and 1 bantam. Their last title coming in 1986.

They have a very successful high school program, but that was not the original question.

but maybe it's focus has been on player development at the youth level rather than just about winning ? That would be reflected at the HS level.

tomAss, good point. But, Roseau also does not have to worry about losing its top players to 10 different private schools.

yep that point cannot be disputed

[Neutron 14]

tomAss, good point. But, Roseau also does not have to worry about losing its top players to 10 different private schools.

Yep, its the different kind of wolves they have to worry about in Roseau.

The literal kind!

[PanthersIn2011]

Of course, Roseau had a wee bit of success prior to the "private school era" of Minnesota hockey.

[slapper5]

Lakeville Hockey is Pretty Good

[wyztaJGA4vertildeath!!!]

Yeah... Wayzata will sweep house at all levels this year... No biggie really...

[thinkb4engaging]

Wayzata:

Correct no big deal winning championships.

Wayzata is just an example of one of those associations which is "pushing" their players down due to their traveling program structure. Look at how many players they are really developing at the higher level. Look at their success at the high school level- not much. If they had more players playing A level rather than thinking a state title at the A or B level is the goal, maybe their high school program would be more successful. 20-25% of their players should be playing A hockey- not 10%. Look at their conference competition and the number of players at their association levels- they are at the 25% A participation level.. This has been covered in past blogs but still no changes- just more and more B teams. Would certainly vote for Roseau over Wayzata or Edina! Would bet Roseau has even more than 25% A team participation.
at each level (squirts, peewees and bantams).

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Wayzata:

Correct no big deal winning championships.

Wayzata is just an example of one of those associations which is "pushing" their players down due to their traveling program structure. Look at how many players they are really developing at the higher level. Look at their success at the high school level- not much. If they had more players playing A level rather than thinking a state title at the A or B level is the goal, maybe their high school program would be more successful. 20-25% of their players should be playing A hockey- not 10%. Look at their conference competition and the number of players at their association levels- they are at the 25% A participation level.. This has been covered in past blogs but still no changes- just more and more B teams. Would certainly vote for Roseau over Wayzata or Edina! Would bet Roseau has even more than 25% A team participation.
at each level (squirts, peewees and bantams).

I agree with you. What can you do to help facilitate change?

Part of the problem is that so few people want to step up and get involved. I don't know if you are one of the people that sit back and throw out good ideas but don't take action. Consider making a push to get it done. You may have more people with you than you might imagine.

Hope you get after it.

[northhock07]

Think before engaging...

It's obvious you have an issue with Wayzata due to the history of your posts. Wayzata is currently at the top of youth hockey in Minnesota.

2007 Junior Gold A State Champions
2007 Peewee A State Champions
2007 Peewee B State Champions and 2nd Place
2007 Fargo Flyers International Tournament Squirt A Champions
2007 Bantam A 4th in State
2007 Bantam B 3rd in State

The reason for the lack of success at the HS level boils down to 1 major reason...the majority of the top youth Wayzata players are enrolled at Blake, BSM, Breck, etc.

Comparing Wayzata and Roseau at the Youth level is a waste of time and energy.

[Around the boards]

Yeah I agree some of the top Wayzata players move to the privates, but with all the numbers in the program there still should be enough talent around to field a quality high school team..Perhaps there is a coaching issue....