Has to be one of the smartest posts I've seen on a board. Here's my question. Where do we draw the line as to when we start setting our kids up to be D-1 or NHL players. I thought sports were to be played for fun until about the Bantam/High School level. Then if you were good at that level, maybe you got to go to college or Juniors, and if you were good at those levels, then you can think professional hockey. Why are we talking about kids being D-1 players when they are mites, squirts, or peewees? Sorry, I know this may seem off topic, but that's what this Machine thing seems to represent to me. I agree with HELPING kids to get better, but at such a cost, there seems to be another motive for it coming from the parents.elliott70 wrote:I don't care if MM exists or not.
Since I live a long way from the TC, it is not an option for my gkids.
As a MH board member I do not care if MM exists or not.
It is a free country (sort of, if you have the money.....).
What seems to grate on me as that people (parents) put so much expectation on a kid by spending a lot of money and time on an 8 year old boy or girl.
Being from up north, I know how the hockey programs (associations) work. I also know the numbers. From D16 numbers, we vary from 4% to 5.5 % of our peewee/bantam numbers moving on to D1 hockey. A very high percentage. Roseau and Warroad are constantly mentioned as top HS hockey programs. East Grand Forks and Thief River Falls are close behind. Down the road we have Grand Rapids, Hermantown, the Duluth programs (Marshall, East) and Cloquet. Throw in I Falls and Virginia and Hibbing every so often and we have top level competition wothout large numbers (all single A by definition). And all playing association hockey.
The difference in my mind is tradition, community support and a 'we versus I' mentality. Not knocking my relatives, friends etc in the metro area, but think about it.
Oh, and all those kids playing for Bernie, I hope they're successful, but more so I hope they are having fun and creating memories that make them life-long hockey people.
Minnesota Made adding more teams?
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Bingo but they'll never ever admit it!theref wrote:Has to be one of the smartest posts I've seen on a board. Here's my question. Where do we draw the line as to when we start setting our kids up to be D-1 or NHL players. I thought sports were to be played for fun until about the Bantam/High School level. Then if you were good at that level, maybe you got to go to college or Juniors, and if you were good at those levels, then you can think professional hockey. Why are we talking about kids being D-1 players when they are mites, squirts, or peewees? Sorry, I know this may seem off topic, but that's what this Machine thing seems to represent to me. I agree with HELPING kids to get better, but at such a cost, there seems to be another motive for it coming from the parents.elliott70 wrote:I don't care if MM exists or not.
Since I live a long way from the TC, it is not an option for my gkids.
As a MH board member I do not care if MM exists or not.
It is a free country (sort of, if you have the money.....).
What seems to grate on me as that people (parents) put so much expectation on a kid by spending a lot of money and time on an 8 year old boy or girl.
Being from up north, I know how the hockey programs (associations) work. I also know the numbers. From D16 numbers, we vary from 4% to 5.5 % of our peewee/bantam numbers moving on to D1 hockey. A very high percentage. Roseau and Warroad are constantly mentioned as top HS hockey programs. East Grand Forks and Thief River Falls are close behind. Down the road we have Grand Rapids, Hermantown, the Duluth programs (Marshall, East) and Cloquet. Throw in I Falls and Virginia and Hibbing every so often and we have top level competition wothout large numbers (all single A by definition). And all playing association hockey.
The difference in my mind is tradition, community support and a 'we versus I' mentality. Not knocking my relatives, friends etc in the metro area, but think about it.
Oh, and all those kids playing for Bernie, I hope they're successful, but more so I hope they are having fun and creating memories that make them life-long hockey people.
Machine>D1 bound
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Funny thing is that these kids are all brought in to tryout for the "Machine". Nice way to draw in numbers. Tell a family that their child is getting an opportunity to tryout for the best knowing all along they will make the one of the lower teams.
Guaranteed if enough kids come in to fill 6 teams at an age group Bernie will make it happen.
Best question yet, "who do they play?" Last I checked there are not 3 or 4 levels of AAA around the state and/or country. They will be forced to play each other which in turn means that the teams will be built accordingly so they can compete against one another.
Problem with that is that the skill level from 1st line to 3rd line will be immense. Is that a good environament for your child to develop in?
It appears there is negative sentiment on this board for Youth Hockey Volunteer board members. In some cases it may be warranted, in others it may not be. Here is a suggestion/solution to make life easier for everyone. If you do not like something within your association, nut up and run for a board position to help make change happen. If that does not fit your schedule then 'volunteer" to assist board members with their jobs, this means network. Anyone without experience knows that board positions take a lot of personal time. The members are volunteers, ask yourself this question next time you get bent, who will run the association if they do not? WILL YOU?
I am not being critical of anyone, just forward with my experiences.
In many cases board members go above and beyond the call because they have passion or time. Many other cases, members do just enough to cover their butts. There is nothing wrong with either approach. They are not paid after all.
To often people let built up frustrations build to a point that they think their childs carreer will be irreparably harmed if they do not evacuate the association. You have a voice, don't sit in the shadows and seethe.
I got involved with my association and made changes, you can too.
This should probably go on its own thread but it all relates.
Guaranteed if enough kids come in to fill 6 teams at an age group Bernie will make it happen.
Best question yet, "who do they play?" Last I checked there are not 3 or 4 levels of AAA around the state and/or country. They will be forced to play each other which in turn means that the teams will be built accordingly so they can compete against one another.
Problem with that is that the skill level from 1st line to 3rd line will be immense. Is that a good environament for your child to develop in?
It appears there is negative sentiment on this board for Youth Hockey Volunteer board members. In some cases it may be warranted, in others it may not be. Here is a suggestion/solution to make life easier for everyone. If you do not like something within your association, nut up and run for a board position to help make change happen. If that does not fit your schedule then 'volunteer" to assist board members with their jobs, this means network. Anyone without experience knows that board positions take a lot of personal time. The members are volunteers, ask yourself this question next time you get bent, who will run the association if they do not? WILL YOU?
I am not being critical of anyone, just forward with my experiences.
In many cases board members go above and beyond the call because they have passion or time. Many other cases, members do just enough to cover their butts. There is nothing wrong with either approach. They are not paid after all.
To often people let built up frustrations build to a point that they think their childs carreer will be irreparably harmed if they do not evacuate the association. You have a voice, don't sit in the shadows and seethe.
I got involved with my association and made changes, you can too.
This should probably go on its own thread but it all relates.
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greybeard58 wrote:Just who will these extra teams play against,besides themselves?
Here's some info someone sent me:
"Each team will have four tournaments and at least one out of town
tournament. (Winnipeg, Brandon, Chicago)."
IT’S ALL ABOUT THE TRAINING
As we all know there are a lot of AAA options out there. Most of AAA teams
involve very few practices and mostly games. This is fine, if that is what you are
looking for. What we offer is just the opposite, a lot of training and fewer games.
The key to success in hockey is the development of the fine motor skills and to
create muscle memory. The only way to do that is through a high amount of
quality repetition.
THE GOAL
Our goals are high. Over the last 15 years of coaching young athletes we have seen
over and over again if you start with a young enough player who has good (not
even great) athletic ability and a strong drive to achieve combine this with enough
ice time and high repetition skill training and they can accomplish great things.
The question is, are you willing to make the commitment? With the right
commitment we can help these young athletes reach their goals and do things that
others can only dream about.
Sudden Death - Sorry you feel I am "transparent", but I have to work extra jobs so my kids can play the game. I am one of those people that don't have the luxury of being able to sit at a computer and frequently update this site. I'll gladly trade my free time to help my kids enjoy their passion. Also, am I not welcome if all I do is offer one post to generate a discussion in order to get educated on MM and their program? All I can say is that I can beat the same points to death that people have posted or I can try and digest both viewpoints and comment when something strikes a chord and I feel it has not been addressed properly.
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Hey 4yourself oh I mean 4thekids Did you read your own first post? The last thing you were trying to do is EDUCATE yourself. You made it very clear that you disapprove of MM adding teams.
If you have to work extra jobs so your kids can play the game... too bad. I guess you should have studied a little more an got better grades so you could get a better job. Since you know so much about hockey you must have spent all your time on the rink rather than in school.
As for the rest of you what do you care? If the players on these teams get a chance to get some good ice and work on their what does it matter?. The funny thing is that if you ask anyone that sends their kid to MM they will all say that MM works the kids hard and the kids get alot out of it. If they do the work!
There are a couple of points that you are missing. First of all, it is a business. That's what they do. They provide a service and make money doing it! Welcome to America. If you don't like them, don't spend $ with them. Second, the people that send their kids to MM like the fact that they do not try to please everyone. They get enough of that crap on their winter teams. They are for the families that are looking for a hard driving coach that is going to truly push their kid. If you have had your kid in their programs then you know that's what you get.
A lot of poeple are mad because of their mite program, they feel that they are going to wreck community hockey, well maybe it needs a little wrecking.
If you have to work extra jobs so your kids can play the game... too bad. I guess you should have studied a little more an got better grades so you could get a better job. Since you know so much about hockey you must have spent all your time on the rink rather than in school.
As for the rest of you what do you care? If the players on these teams get a chance to get some good ice and work on their what does it matter?. The funny thing is that if you ask anyone that sends their kid to MM they will all say that MM works the kids hard and the kids get alot out of it. If they do the work!
There are a couple of points that you are missing. First of all, it is a business. That's what they do. They provide a service and make money doing it! Welcome to America. If you don't like them, don't spend $ with them. Second, the people that send their kids to MM like the fact that they do not try to please everyone. They get enough of that crap on their winter teams. They are for the families that are looking for a hard driving coach that is going to truly push their kid. If you have had your kid in their programs then you know that's what you get.
A lot of poeple are mad because of their mite program, they feel that they are going to wreck community hockey, well maybe it needs a little wrecking.
I think he struck a nerve with you.Sudden Death wrote: If you have to work extra jobs so your kids can play the game... too bad. I guess you should have studied a little more an got better grades so you could get a better job. Since you know so much about hockey you must have spent all your time on the rink rather than in school.
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your premise and assumption is a tad off base in your quote above.
Try again and think it through with a bit more emphasis on think.
waylon seems to be one of the very few MM parents that does not have a faulty logic chip or is so quick to become upset when confronted with contrasting opinions.
You should introduce yourself to Boogeyman. You would get along great! You also have the same logic patterns.
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Wrong. 4 the kids tells us he has to work extra jobs so his kid can play hockey? What, am I suppose to feel sorry for him? The guy say he has no time to keep up with the forum because he work extra jobs, but he has time to start this thread by what, hacking on MM.
Go a head say what you want, but again I will go back to my first comment in this thread which is he is very transparent.
As for MM if you like what they do, skate there. If you don't go some where else. Easy
Go a head say what you want, but again I will go back to my first comment in this thread which is he is very transparent.
As for MM if you like what they do, skate there. If you don't go some where else. Easy
Nicely put! My son is skating in the Minnesota Made Choice Mite league. Very organized and lots of fun. Like I've said in the past. Everyone needs to do what's best for their kids.breakout wrote:Bernie is a great guy. He has done a lot of positive things for Minnesota hockey. He is an out of the box thinker. Hopefully his $8 million dollar investment works out for him.
In my opinion, problems begin when training and all of the other offerings (not just Bernie's deal) that are available become the parents obsession. There can be a "keep up with the Jones" mentality. Believe it or not, some people can barely afford all of the activities that they are sending their kids to. Does that add stress to a family?
There is no blue print out there that gaurantees your child's hockey success. Parents will do what they feel is best for their kids. Hopefully all will keep in mind that hockey is a sport and sports are suppose to be fun.
If you want to develop your kids in the back yard, community park, through your local association or on the moon. Thats your choice. I don't understand why everyone has to bash Bernie?
I realize that some of you have been through the development process for youth hockey. But if you haven't tried Minnesota Made then please do NOT knock it.
PEACE!
Bernie is not bashed by everyone. Also, don't agree with me. It gives me heartburnBoogeyMan wrote:Nicely put! My son is skating in the Minnesota Made Choice Mite league. Very organized and lots of fun. Like I've said in the past. Everyone needs to do what's best for their kids.breakout wrote:Bernie is a great guy. He has done a lot of positive things for Minnesota hockey. He is an out of the box thinker. Hopefully his $8 million dollar investment works out for him.
In my opinion, problems begin when training and all of the other offerings (not just Bernie's deal) that are available become the parents obsession. There can be a "keep up with the Jones" mentality. Believe it or not, some people can barely afford all of the activities that they are sending their kids to. Does that add stress to a family?
There is no blue print out there that gaurantees your child's hockey success. Parents will do what they feel is best for their kids. Hopefully all will keep in mind that hockey is a sport and sports are suppose to be fun.
If you want to develop your kids in the back yard, community park, through your local association or on the moon. Thats your choice. I don't understand why everyone has to bash Bernie?
I realize that some of you have been through the development process for youth hockey. But if you haven't tried Minnesota Made then please do NOT knock it.
PEACE!
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Hockeyguy_27 wrote:Is there any way to give someone the finger with the little icons thingies?breakout wrote:BoogeyMan wrote:Breakout- Relax! For once, it was nice to see you wrote something logical. I'm glad we see eye to eye.
PEACE!
Trust me, we hardly see eye to eye
If you look very close, it is the finger
Breakout- You don't know how fortunate we are to have such a great hockey mind telling us what's best for our kids. I for one want to thank you for your brilliance. We're all better for reading your informative material. I thank you! All the young skaters thank you. It's nice to know we have someone looking out for us comman hockey people.
Please keep up the positivity.
PEACE!
Please keep up the positivity.
PEACE!
BoogeyMan wrote:Breakout- You don't know how fortunate we are to have such a great hockey mind telling us what's best for our kids. I for one want to thank you for your brilliance. We're all better for reading your informative material. I thank you! All the young skaters thank you. It's nice to know we have someone looking out for us comman hockey people.
Please keep up the positivity.
PEACE!
You are far from common Boogey
It's over the top parents like you that keep me entertained
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Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie BernieBoogeyMan wrote:Breakout- I was going to tell you the same thing. Keep up the posting. It's very entertaining. Like I said. We're alll so fortunate to have a great hockey mind to set us straight.
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Re: yep
I have to agree with you, dog. Shinny hockey on the North Rink for several hours every day will turn those young "Squirt guns" into "PeeWee snipers."watchdog wrote:hockey equipment 1,ooo
mm hockey 3,000
droping your kid off at the rink for 2-10 hours of open hockey for free priceless.... talk about the training money cant buy???