7AA Pre Season Trash Talk Thread

[Neutron 14]

Here is my general rule of thumb when doing a PRESEASON RANKING:

The #1 team is the one that won last year. Plain and simple #1 until proven otherwise.

After that, it is a general assesment combining last season and the returning talent with what is expected this season.

Also, I do not preseason rank for the future. What I rank is what I believe in the here and now. It could change tomorrow, it could hold true all year.

So that is my logic.

Gotcha bobbers. I was just wondering how you guys arrived at your delusio... err... conclusions.

[Mightydog]

Bobbie,

Haven't been on for a while so I thought I'd check what's up. Is it just me or do some of these guys have no idea how PRE season rankings work? I think you clarified yourself to the point where no further explanation is needed. Keep up the great postings and stop in sometime and say Hi! Don't forget the guys who got you through!! jk

[EREmpireStrikesBack]

Here is my general rule of thumb when doing a PRESEASON RANKING:

The #1 team is the one that won last year. Plain and simple #1 until proven otherwise.

After that, it is a general assesment combining last season and the returning talent with what is expected this season.

Also, I do not preseason rank for the future. What I rank is what I believe in the here and now. It could change tomorrow, it could hold true all year.

So that is my logic.

If you choose #1 based on where they finished last year, then why not do the same with the rest? Why should 2-8 be looked at differently than #1? If the #1 team was made up of entirely seniors and returning no players (highly highly unlikely, but this is just for an example), then should they still be #1 just because of what the team did the year before even though this team has absolutely no ties to the year before?

I agree completely with ranking for right now. Whether it is a preseason, inseason or postseason ranking, it should have to do with what is going on right now. But in saying that, why does your #1 team get a pass again? If it has to do with right now, then what does last year have to do with it?

I don't mean to pick you apart, but I question your logic when it isn't consistent.

I'll be sure to watch out for this new guy who seems to like whatever comes out of you, no matter what hole.

[Neutron 14]

I'll be sure to watch out for this new guy who seems to like whatever comes out of you, no matter what hole.

Don't ya get it ER? Its PRE-SEASON!

Ya just can't make this stuff up...

[Can't Never Tried]

Here is my general rule of thumb when doing a PRESEASON RANKING:

The #1 team is the one that won last year. Plain and simple #1 until proven otherwise.

After that, it is a general assesment combining last season and the returning talent with what is expected this season.

Also, I do not preseason rank for the future. What I rank is what I believe in the here and now. It could change tomorrow, it could hold true all year.

So that is my logic.

If you choose #1 based on where they finished last year, then why not do the same with the rest? Why should 2-8 be looked at differently than #1? If the #1 team was made up of entirely seniors and returning no players (highly highly unlikely, but this is just for an example), then should they still be #1 just because of what the team did the year before even though this team has absolutely no ties to the year before?

I agree completely with ranking for right now. Whether it is a preseason, inseason or postseason ranking, it should have to do with what is going on right now. But in saying that, why does your #1 team get a pass again? If it has to do with right now, then what does last year have to do with it?

I don't mean to pick you apart, but I question your logic when it isn't consistent.

I'll be sure to watch out for this new guy who seems to like whatever comes out of you, no matter what hole.

This would live up to the 1st four words of this thread

As much as I'm not a Tornado fan, IMO that's the team to beat in this section this year.

[Neutron 14]

As much as I'm not a Tornado fan, IMO that's the team to beat in this section this year.

But thats DURING the season, this is PRE-SEASON!

[Can't Never Tried]

As much as I'm not a Tornado fan, IMO that's the team to beat in this section this year.

But thats DURING the season, this is PRE-SEASON!

Right, OK... then I'd say it's anyones guess here in the preseason.

[Neutron 14]

Right, OK... then I'd say it's anyones guess here in the preseason.

Sigh... Try and keep up please. Grand Rapids won the Section last year. That makes them the PRE-SEASON favorite according to our Rapids friends.

[5 Hole]

..... It's only the first week of November, and already the anger in the 7AA threads is in mid-season form. Too bad Brainerd isn't in the section this year. It just won't be the same without all their exciting posters.

[boblee]

I go with the defending champion as #1 because I am from the school as #1 until beaten.

And just because I RANK them #1 right now does not mean I think they are the preseason favorite.

We just discussed that we are ranking for NOW. Not for the end of the season...

[east hockey]

..... It's only the first week of November, and already the anger in the 7AA threads is in mid-season form. Too bad Brainerd isn't in the section this year. It just won't be the same without all their exciting posters.

Hey, the running of smack between Rapids and Brainerd fans prior to their game was worth the price of admission. We used to see some classic stuff. I'll miss Brainerd, too.

(almost sounds like a eulogy, eh?)

Lee

[Frequent_MN_Flyer]

Yeah, I'll miss having a team in the section that never, and I mean never beat Rapids!

[5 Hole]

..... It's only the first week of November, and already the anger in the 7AA threads is in mid-season form. Too bad Brainerd isn't in the section this year. It just won't be the same without all their exciting posters.

Hey, the running of smack between Rapids and Brainerd fans prior to their game was worth the price of admission. We used to see some classic stuff. I'll miss Brainerd, too.
Lee

... Dangle show and the boys WILL most definetaly be missed

[EREmpireStrikesBack]

And just because I RANK them #1 right now does not mean I think they are the preseason favorite.

We just discussed that we are ranking for NOW. Not for the end of the season...

You are contradicting yourself bobber. You say that you are ranking them #1, but doesn't mean they are preseason favorite. Then you say you are ranking for now... wouldn't that mean you want the preseason favorite as #1?

[boblee]

It is cule of thumb to put the defending champ at #1 in a preseason poll. Outside of that I am ranking what I think the teams should look like RIGHT NOW. A preseason favorite is still a pick for down the road. A favorite to win the section may not be the team who is #1 at a given time.

[Undercover Hockey Lover]

And I bet your a vanilla ice cream guy too. The Grand Rapids team you are basing all this on is GONE!!! This is a new year those new GR kids aren't the section champs. Basing a #1 ranking on last year's finish is such an easy way to tout a team that doesn't deserve a #1 spot. I'm old school and I'm not even old school enuff to buy into the last year's ending #1 is this year's #1. Use your noodle and make a prediction on research not what your favorite team did last season. Done and Gone, the only way you can do the last year deal is if the ENTIRE TEAM returns and right now all of GR's heroes are long gone.

[boblee]

That's where you're wrong. I am not making any kind of PREDICTION. None at all. Also, Grand Rapids returns section champions, and some very key ones. Sam Sparen, Robb Roy, and Corey Kosak have played a key role on a team that has played in two state championships. Sam Rendle scored the biggest goal of the year last year. Tony Palkki scored a goal that set up Patrick White to get Rapids out of the section semis. Greniger, Prokop, and Moore filled in very nicely early in the season when the team was thin due to injuries. Eric Bishop has played a part on this team for two years. The big names may be gone, but there is plenty of talent left. And by the way, I have not said I believe this team will be great this year. I have not made any kind of assessment like that and I will not until I see them play in the scrimmages the week before the season starts.

[Undercover Hockey Lover]

That's where you're wrong. I am not making any kind of PREDICTION. None at all. Also, Grand Rapids returns section champions, and some very key ones. Sam Sparen, Robb Roy, and Corey Kosak have played a key role on a team that has played in two state championships. Sam Rendle scored the biggest goal of the year last year. Tony Palkki scored a goal that set up Patrick White to get Rapids out of the section semis. Greniger, Prokop, and Moore filled in very nicely early in the season when the team was thin due to injuries. Eric Bishop has played a part on this team for two years. The big names may be gone, but there is plenty of talent left. And by the way, I have not said I believe this team will be great this year. I have not made any kind of assessment like that and I will not until I see them play in the scrimmages the week before the season starts.

Ranking them #1 in a pre-season poll isn't making an assessment or a prediction?

And I really could care less how many posts you have.......

[boblee]

I am making no such prediction about how the team WILL be. If it makes you feel better, I think the seeding will end up something more like this come february:

1. Duluth East
2. Anoka
3. Grand Rapids
4. Cloquet
5. Elk River
6. Forest Lake
The Rest

But that is a clear shot in the dark because not a single team has taken the ice.

[Undercover Hockey Lover]

I am making no such prediction about how the team WILL be. If it makes you feel better, I think the seeding will end up something more like this come february:
1. Duluth East
2. Anoka
3. Grand Rapids
4. Cloquet
5. Elk River
6. Forest Lake
The Rest

But that is a clear shot in the dark because not a single team has taken the ice.

Bingo!!!! NOW you've created a pre-season ranking using your head and not your heart. And guess what....you've even hit on the premise of a pre-season poll...a shot in the dark. The funny part is you waffle very poorly....Will be....is February.

Here's My shot in the dark.
1. DE
2. Anoka
3. Cloquet
4. Elk River
5. GR
And the rest.....

Just curious....is there some significant reason you number your posts? Does that number make you the posting hero? Or does it mean you haven't written anything that could be construed as contraversial in the whole time you've been here?

[GR3343]

I am making no such prediction about how the team WILL be. If it makes you feel better, I think the seeding will end up something more like this come february:
1. Duluth East
2. Anoka
3. Grand Rapids
4. Cloquet
5. Elk River
6. Forest Lake
The Rest

But that is a clear shot in the dark because not a single team has taken the ice.

Are you still not able to understand the words PRE-SEASON? The NCAA has PRE-SEASON rankings just like anyone else. Is it a prediction? When a team wins the National Championship - see USC - even though that team is no longer intact, they still received a very high ranking to start the next season. It's all speculation and the fact that you continue to argue your point shows your true ignorance of the situation. It's posters like you that continue to take the true topic of the original thread and turn it into something it's not. Stick to the topic and perhaps some debate on the subject. Make an effort not to try to hammer someone because of their opinion.

[Undercover Hockey Lover]

Hey, You Rangers have a thread about Pre-season TRASH TALK and none of you can talk trash. (That's Trash Talk)

This thread should have been called: GR is #1 because they were last year and we say so. (That's Trash Talk)

A lot of the pre-season polls are reflective of last year's standing because....many sports writer's are too LAZY to do their homework breaking down what a team loses or gains for the upcoming season. They pull up a screen which shows them how everybody finished last season and then pencil whip their responses.

I take way more stock in Pre-Season Coaches Polls versus the Sports Writers Polls, Coaches normally don't pencil whip their responses and they normally can't vote for their own squad. Take the WCHA Pre-Season Poll if you used Boblee's premise of last year's number #1 at the end is this year's #1 to start; the Goophs should have been number #1 because they won the WCHA last season and who was ranked #1...the Fighting Flickertails.

Eat that GR3343. (That's Trash Talk...need another lesson?)

[Neutron 14]

It is my opinion that any pre-season poll/ranking IS a prediction. Last years FINAL ranking isn't the starting point for this seasons rankings. As with any poll/ranking, your asking what people think. We KNOW that Rapids finished first last year.

It appears that this sentiment is shared by everybody except those fine posters who happen to live in Grand Rapids.

[TheHockeyDJ]

There is a difference between prediction and pre-season rankings to me.
Every year, I don't care it it's GR, CEC, DE, or ER, they should be #1 if they finished #1. If you feel otherwise, sorry, your feelings are wrong.

Predictions on seeds.

1. Duluth East
2. Grand Rapids
3. Anoka
4. Cloquet
5. Elk River
6. Forest Lake

Winner - Will be a 3 peat. Hockey is a team game gentlemen. White and Stesjkal are great players, but their graduation does not doom this team to an 0-25 record and 9th seed in the section. GR has arguably the best coach in the section, he'll know what to do to win with what he has. It's a new year. Grand Rapids has better talent coming back than most of you assume.

[Undercover Hockey Lover]

Like I said the thread SHOULD be: GR is #1 because they were last year and we say so.

Just curious and I'd like you to explain it to us all that aren't from GR. How is a prediction and a pre-season ranking different? Isn't a poll taken before something happens....a prediction?

By the way nobody has said they would be 0 - 25 and a 9th seed you took it to that extreme. I only went down to a 5 seed and I'll toss in 10 regular season losses to boot.