QRF Rankings

[brookyone]

In regards to the QRF, the ranking of the other team is irrelevant, it's the number of wins that team has. Not sure which teams you are referring too. but those numbers are close enough together that the 11-0 team will start to move upwards like New England did in the NFL QRF this year.

Again, I have no idea which team you are talking about (guessing Stillwater), but the fact that they are 11-0 and ranked 6th or 7th is proof that the schedule has not been "pretty tough". Any undefeated team that has played a "pretty tough" schedule would not be ranked that low, as the QRF is very heavily weighted towards strength of schedule (along with what that team does with it). I believe that is the major factor (along with outcome) in determining which team has played better this year.

In the case of the opponents ranking being irrelevant, this is where I would prefer a subjective vote by a human being, because I surely feel that should absolutely be a component of any attempt to rank teams. Wouldn't using # of opponents wins as a component exclusive of team rankings be potentially significantly skewed via an opponents weak schedule? What am I not understanding here? Seems like a flaw to me.

Also, it may not be the toughest schedule anyone has played, but Stillwater's schedule to date has been no creampuff:

http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Team.m ... /Minnesota

I can understand Stillwater being hurt by the number of losses some / many of their opponents thus far have accumulated. When you look at the quality / ranking of those responsible for many of those losses...well again, that's where I feel eliminating a teams ranking from a calculation leads to questionable results.

Then again, I may be full of crap.

[hockeywild7]

I think any poll that doesnt figure in a human factor is skewed as is the QRF. As far as strength of schedule goes, show me a team ahead of Stillwater that has played a tougher one? Using scoring differentials is also a flaw as there are many intangibles that go into each game that are not accounted for. Not having your full line-up because of an injury or sickness, using 4th lines or playing backups against an assumed weak opponent.

[MNHockeyFan]

Updated QRF rankings 12/17/07

Class AA
1 Eden Prairie (9-0-1) 61.5
2 Holy Angels (7-2-0) 58.7
3 Centennial (9-1-0) 55.9
4 Stillwater Area (12-0-0) 54.8
5 Roseville (9-1-1) 54.6
6 Duluth Area (7-0-3) 54.4
7 Edina (9-2-1) 53.6
8 Elk River (8-1-1) 50.2
9 Grand Rapids/Greenway (9-1-1) 49.7
10 Eagan (6-2-1) 47.1
11 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (6-5-0) 45.4
12 Cretin-Derham Hall (4-3-3) 44.6
13 Hopkins (10-1-1) 44.0
14 Benilde-St. Margaret's (7-3-0) 42.0
15 Hastings (8-3-0) 41.8
16 Forest Lake (7-4-1) 41.1
17 Minnetonka (5-4-0) 40.8
T-18 Wayzata (4-3-5) 39.5
T-18 Irondale (9-0-1) 39.5
T-20 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (8-2-0) 37.9
T-20 Moorhead (5-2-0) 37.9
22 Hill-Murray (5-3-1) 37.5
23 Blaine (6-5-0) 36.9
24 Apple Valley (8-3-0) 36.5
25 White Bear Lake (3-5-2) 36.4
26 Eastview (9-3-0) 35.7
T-27 North St. Paul (4-5-0) 35.1
T-27 Bemidji (5-6-0) 35.1
29 Shakopee (5-5-0) 35.0
30 Farmington (5-4-1) 34.6
31 Cambridge-Isanti/Mora (5-3-0) 34.4
T-32 Burnsville (2-7-1) 33.1
T-32 Rochester Mayo (7-4-0) 33.1
34 North Wright County (6-4-2) 32.6
35 Minneapolis (4-3-3) 32.2
36 St. Cloud Tech (6-2-2) 32.1
37 Coon Rapids (2-5-1) 31.7
T-38 Lakeville North (6-3-1) 31.2
T-38 Buffalo (5-6-0) 31.2
T-40 St. Francis (3-6-0) 31.0
T-40 River Lakes (3-6-1) 31.0
42 Anoka (5-4-2) 30.2
43 Andover (4-5-0) 29.8
44 St. Cloud Icebreakers (5-4-2) 29.6
45 Brainerd (5-7-0) 29.4
46 Mounds View (3-6-2) 29.2
47 Maple Grove (4-7-1) 28.4
48 Owatonna (5-3-0) 28.0
49 Chisago Lakes Area (5-5-0) 27.2
50 Spring Lake Park (4-5-0) 26.0
51 Rosemount (4-7-0) 25.9
52 North Metro (4-9-0) 25.6
53 Chaska (4-6-0) 25.2
54 Woodbury (2-8-0) 24.4
55 Park of Cottage Grove (4-5-1) 23.7
56 Lakeville South (2-6-2) 22.2
57 Sartell/Sauk Rapids (5-5-0) 21.9
58 St. Paul Blades (5-5-0) 21.4
59 Bloomington Kennedy (5-6-0) 20.1
60 Prior Lake (2-6-1) 19.4
61 Dodge County (4-6-0) 19.2
62 Robbinsdale Armstrong (1-10-0) 17.9
T-63 Bloomington Jefferson (1-8-1) 17.2
T-63 Rochester John Marshall (3-6-0) 17.2
65 Champlin Park (3-6-1) 17.1
66 Rogers/Zimmerman (2-7-0) 13.0
67 Robbinsdale Cooper (1-9-0) 11.4
68 Winona (1-6-0) 11.3
69 Tartan (0-9-0) 9.2
70 Rochester Century (0-12-0) 7.1

Class A
1 Blake (11-0-2) 67.8
2 Breck (10-1-1) 51.4
T-3 Alexandria (8-1-2) 50.8
T-3 Roseau (8-2-1) 50.8
5 Crookston (8-2-0) 49.0
6 Warroad (8-1-1) 48.1
7 South St. Paul (6-4-0) 43.3
8 New Prague (8-1-1) 42.2
9 Mankato West (7-2-0) 37.6
10 Hibbing/Chisholm (5-6-0) 37.4
11 Mound-Westonka (7-3-0) 37.1
12 Hutchinson (6-3-1) 36.6
T-13 Richfield (4-5-1) 35.6
T-13 Albert Lea (6-3-0) 35.6
15 East Grand Forks (6-3-0) 34.0
16 Silver Bay (3-5-1) 33.1
17 Austin (7-4-0) 32.3
18 New Ulm (3-8-1) 28.8
19 Marshall (6-2-0) 28.0
20 St. Louis Park (3-7-0) 27.8
21 Henry Sibley (5-6-0) 26.7
22 Northfield (5-4-0) 25.7
23 St. Paul United (6-5-1) 25.6
24 Luverne (2-5-0) 25.4
25 Morris Area/Benson/Minnewaska Area (6-1-0) 25.3
26 L-H/St. Peter/Le Center (7-3-0) 25.2
27 Faribault (4-5-0) 24.1
28 Eveleth-Gilbert (5-3-0) 23.1
29 International Falls (5-3-1) 22.9
30 Mahtomedi (3-6-0) 22.7
31 Red Wing (4-6-0) 21.9
32 Orono (3-8-0) 21.4
33 Willmar (4-5-0) 21.1
34 LP-GE/W-DC (5-4-0) 20.8
35 Totino-Grace (2-8-0) 19.5
36 Simley (3-7-0) 19.2
37 Princeton (3-7-1) 18.3
38 Thief River Falls (3-9-0) 17.4
39 Fergus Falls (1-8-0) 17.0
40 Minnehaha Academy (1-8-0) 15.0
41 Fairmont (4-2-0) 14.7
42 East Range (3-3-0) 14.0
43 Detroit Lakes (3-5-0) 13.7
44 Moose Lake Area (1-5-1) 13.6
45 Park Rapids/Menahga/Nevis (1-7-0) 12.9
46 Lake of the Woods (0-8-0) 12.8
47 Litchfield/D-C (1-10-0) 12.6
48 St. Paul Saints (1-8-0) 12.5
49 Little Falls (0-9-0) 9.5
50 Waseca (1-8-0) 9.3
51 Windom Area (2-4-0) 9.2
52 Mankato East (1-7-0) 8.9
53 Worthington (0-5-1) 8.4
54 Redwood Valley (0-4-1) 2.1
55 Holy Family Catholic/Waconia (0-0-0) 0.0

[Minnesota-Scores.com]

Like I said earlier, it all depends on how you get to the ranking. If you think it's better using ranking instead of opponents wins, by all means, create your ladder system and see how it goes. That's how the QRF started, I created a formula and tested it against some boys basketball scores. Seemed to work well, tweaked a few things....tried it against other sports and here we are.

I'm all for competition, but I don't get how people don't see this (and the PS2 from what I've seen) works. Nothing is perfect, but these types of rankings DO show positive things too.

For goal differential, take it out and you get basically the same rankings, the overall numbers just become squeezed together. That's why I leave it in. People complain about goal differential too much, it's not a big deal.

By the way, you can obviously go where you want to find your information, but it's a tiny bit of a slap in the face to discuss the QRF and put a link to another site. Would have much preferred this one.

http://www.minnesota-scores.net/teamsch ... 0&tid=2210 Wonder how much the win over Roseville will boost the Ponies. I'm going to guess they move up to 2 or 3 after I calculate around noon today.

Thanks again everybody, best of luck to your teams this year!

[keepitreal]

Over the next two weeks, most of the top teams will be facing off against each other and/or several high quality opponents in the Kaposia, Schwan's Cup, Edina, and Cable 12 tournaments, among others. Factoring in three games against higher-caliber teams should provide a measurable degree of clarity when it comes to formula-based rankings such as QRF.

I believe we will see an accurate picture begin to form when these scores are factored in.

In any case, the rankings provide great entertainment value and it's all about what happens on the ice. We appreciate Minnesota-scores.net and your efforts to provide an objective ranking method. As fans with too much time on our hands, these types of power rankings are sure to elicit passionate opinions.

[goalzilla]

Rankings will always be fuel for a good debate! I am unfamiliar with QRF. if it takes varibles into cosideration how can EP be #1? Now, EP fans don't go wild on me here... EP is a very good team and has played what I consider 2 strong teams Egan and Warroad beating one and a tie with the other. They are ranked #1. Stillwater who is currently 13-0 played 11 opponants who were ranked at the time they played but as of today they go to #3. Stillwater has Edina this week if they go 14-0 before the Kaposia it will make for an interesting holiday weekend. Who knows what will go on there as they say "on any given day" will it really sway the rankings if there are some major upsets? I am still partial to the rankings with human factor, but I will continue to follow QRF I might learn something new:o)

good thread!!!

[kvats12]

In the case of the opponents ranking being irrelevant, this is where I would prefer a subjective vote by a human being, because I surely feel that should absolutely be a component of any attempt to rank teams. Wouldn't using # of opponents wins as a component exclusive of team rankings be potentially significantly skewed via an opponents weak schedule? What am I not understanding here? Seems like a flaw to me.

This would just be asking for trouble. City teams would more than likely be higher ranked due to a larger vote from the population (if you had the general public vote) and if you selected a committee to vote it could be biased. And as I said before, what do the rankings really mean other than potential matchups anyway? We don't vote teams into playoffs or the state tournament.

[MNHockeyFan]

Updated 12/19/07

Class AA
1 Stillwater Area (13-0-0) 63.0
2 Holy Angels (8-2-0) 62.3
3 Eden Prairie (9-0-1) 61.5
4 Centennial (10-1-0) 58.3
5 Roseville (9-2-1) 57.8
6 Duluth Area (8-0-3) 57.2
7 Edina (10-2-1) 55.6
8 Grand Rapids/Greenway (10-1-1) 53.7
9 Elk River (9-1-1) 51.9
10 Hopkins (11-1-1) 48.3
11 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (7-5-0) 47.8
12 Eagan (6-2-1) 47.5
13 Hastings (8-3-0) 45.2
14 Benilde-St. Margaret's (7-3-0) 44.9
15 Cretin-Derham Hall (4-4-3) 44.4
16 Forest Lake (8-4-1) 44.1
17 Minnetonka (5-5-0) 42.1
18 Irondale (9-0-1) 41.9
19 Moorhead (6-2-0) 41.7
20 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (8-2-0) 41.2
21 Shakopee (6-5-0) 40.5
22 White Bear Lake (4-5-2) 40.0
23 Wayzata (5-3-5) 39.8
24 Cambridge-Isanti/Mora (6-3-0) 39.4
25 Hill-Murray (6-3-1) 38.6
26 Rochester Mayo (8-4-0) 38.5
27 Bemidji (5-6-0) 38.4
28 St. Cloud Tech (7-2-2) 38.1
29 North St. Paul (5-5-0) 37.8
30 Apple Valley (8-4-0) 37.6
31 Blaine (6-5-1) 37.4
32 North Wright County (7-4-2) 36.4
33 Eastview (9-3-0) 35.7
34 Coon Rapids (3-5-1) 34.8
35 Buffalo (5-7-0) 34.3
T-36 Farmington (5-5-1) 33.9
T-36 Burnsville (2-7-1) 33.9
38 Andover (4-5-1) 33.7
39 River Lakes (4-6-1) 32.7
40 Minneapolis (5-3-3) 32.6
41 Lakeville North (6-3-1) 32.1
42 Brainerd (6-7-0) 31.8
43 St. Cloud Icebreakers (5-5-2) 31.0
T-44 Anoka (5-5-2) 30.6
T-44 Maple Grove (4-8-1) 30.6
46 Mounds View (4-6-2) 30.4
47 St. Francis (3-6-1) 29.9
48 St. Paul Blades (6-5-0) 29.0
T-49 North Metro (4-10-0) 27.7
T-49 Rosemount (4-7-0) 27.7
T-49 Chisago Lakes Area (5-6-0) 27.7
52 Owatonna (5-4-0) 27.6
53 Spring Lake Park (4-6-0) 26.7
54 Chaska (4-6-0) 25.6
55 Woodbury (2-9-0) 24.8
56 Park of Cottage Grove (4-6-1) 23.8
57 Sartell/Sauk Rapids (5-6-0) 23.4
58 Lakeville South (2-6-2) 23.0
59 Bloomington Kennedy (6-6-0) 21.9
60 Dodge County (4-6-0) 20.5
61 Prior Lake (2-7-1) 20.0
62 Robbinsdale Armstrong (1-11-0) 18.9
63 Champlin Park (3-6-1) 18.6
64 Bloomington Jefferson (1-8-1) 17.6
65 Rochester John Marshall (3-7-0) 17.0
66 Rogers/Zimmerman (2-7-1) 15.7
67 Robbinsdale Cooper (1-9-0) 12.6
68 Winona (1-7-0) 11.8
69 Tartan (0-10-0) 10.1
70 Rochester Century (0-13-0) 7.3

Class A
1 Blake (11-0-2) 73.8
2 Alexandria (9-1-2) 58.0
3 Breck (10-1-1) 57.5
4 Roseau (8-2-1) 53.8
5 Warroad (8-1-1) 51.7
6 Crookston (9-2-0) 51.2
7 South St. Paul (6-4-0) 45.9
8 Mankato West (8-2-0) 43.0
9 New Prague (9-1-1) 42.5
10 Mound-Westonka (8-3-0) 41.1
11 Hutchinson (7-3-1) 40.1
12 Hibbing/Chisholm (5-7-0) 39.7
13 Richfield (4-6-1) 36.1
14 Marshall (8-2-0) 36.0
15 Albert Lea (7-3-0) 35.5
T-16 East Grand Forks (6-4-0) 34.7
T-16 Silver Bay (3-6-1) 34.7
18 Austin (7-5-0) 33.7
19 New Ulm (4-8-1) 31.6
20 Luverne (3-5-0) 30.6
21 St. Louis Park (3-8-0) 30.0
22 Morris Area/Benson/Minnewaska Area (7-1-0) 29.4
23 Henry Sibley (5-7-0) 29.3
24 Northfield (5-5-0) 28.7
25 St. Paul United (6-5-1) 28.0
26 Eveleth-Gilbert (6-3-0) 27.3
27 Faribault (5-5-0) 27.2
28 L-H/St. Peter/Le Center (8-4-0) 26.4
29 Red Wing (4-7-0) 25.3
30 Simley (4-7-0) 24.7
T-31 LP-GE/W-DC (5-4-0) 23.8
T-31 Mahtomedi (3-6-0) 23.8
33 Willmar (4-6-0) 23.7
34 International Falls (5-3-1) 22.9
35 Orono (3-9-0) 22.1
36 Princeton (3-8-1) 20.2
37 Totino-Grace (2-8-0) 19.8
38 Thief River Falls (3-10-0) 19.3
39 Fergus Falls (1-9-0) 19.0
40 Detroit Lakes (3-6-0) 18.2
41 Minnehaha Academy (1-9-0) 17.5
42 Fairmont (5-2-0) 16.3
43 Moose Lake Area (2-5-1) 14.8
44 East Range (3-5-0) 14.3
45 Litchfield/D-C (1-11-0) 13.9
46 St. Paul Saints (2-8-0) 13.4
T-47 Park Rapids/Menahga/Nevis (1-7-0) 13.2
T-47 Little Falls (1-9-0) 13.2
49 Lake of the Woods (0-8-0) 13.1
50 Worthington (0-6-1) 12.8
51 Waseca (1-8-0) 10.6
52 Mankato East (1-8-0) 10.4
53 Windom Area (2-5-0) 10.1
54 Redwood Valley (0-4-1) 2.7
55 Holy Family Catholic/Waconia (0-0-0) 0.0

[brookyone]

In the case of the opponents ranking being irrelevant, this is where I would prefer a subjective vote by a human being, because I surely feel that should absolutely be a component of any attempt to rank teams. Wouldn't using # of opponents wins as a component exclusive of team rankings be potentially significantly skewed via an opponents weak schedule? What am I not understanding here? Seems like a flaw to me.

This would just be asking for trouble. City teams would more than likely be higher ranked due to a larger vote from the population (if you had the general public vote) and if you selected a committee to vote it could be biased. And as I said before, what do the rankings really mean other than potential matchups anyway? We don't vote teams into playoffs or the state tournament.

Ah yeah...who's talking about a vote by the general public?

Talking about a vote by (hopefully) informed, knowledgeable, select & neutral group of individuals who are also professional enough to omit any personal bias (if it exists) from their vote. I'm not saying those circumstances exist...but they certainly should for any persons charged with voting / ranking. If you can't assemble a group of voters with said integrity there isn't much point to even having a poll. When I look at rankings I like to assume it isn't the equivalent of a third world presidential election with ballot box stuffing.

The ideal would IMO be that those who vote actually watch the teams play and cast their votes accordingly based at least in part on observations beyond goal margins and wins / losses with no regard to the strength of the opponents. Things like the best group of forwards...best group of D etc. It's all subjective, but still has good potential for more accuracy than a mathematical ranking in my view...which can make no "conscious" account or lucid comparison of individual team strenghts / weaknesses. However, looking at voter polls...It seems pretty clear this isn't happening either.

I think everyone understands the rankings aren't all that meaningful, important or accurate in many cases. My only objective has been to refute the opinion held by some that mathematically based rankings are clearly superior and more accurate. I'm just not sold on that.

[hockeyheaven]

No system is going to be the end all for everyone. Polls, quantitative measurements, or even present league standings are merely measuring sticks. Just a means of predicting outcome. Nothing more, and nothing less. Polls are contrived from personal perceptions and biases base primarily on potential. Were as systems like this QRF depicts a momentary snapshot of an unbiased rank based on actual performance measured against consequence. In the end nothing is really certain until that puck is dropped. To take any of these lists as definite is really only self serving.
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[cluelessinminnesota]

QRF would be better if it removed the penalty for the class A teams.

Teams like Blake, Breck, Roseau and Warroad are much better than every team in Section 1AA, yet your "objective" computer program hurts those who play the strong A teams and rewards those who play weak AA teams.

[MNHockeyFan]

Rankings: December 23, 2007

Class AA
1 Eden Prairie (11-0-1) 68.6
2 Stillwater Area (13-0-1) 68.2
3 Holy Angels (9-2-0) 67.4
4 Grand Rapids/Greenway (11-1-1) 63.7
5 Edina (10-2-2) 63.1
6 Centennial (11-1-0) 62.4
7 Eagan (8-2-1) 60.6
8 Roseville (9-3-1) 59.6
9 Elk River (10-1-1) 58.3
10 Duluth Area (8-2-3) 56.3
11 Hopkins (11-1-2) 54.7
12 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (7-6-0) 50.6
13 Benilde-St. Margaret's (9-3-0) 49.8
14 Moorhead (7-2-0) 48.4
15 Wayzata (6-3-5) 47.8
16 Forest Lake (8-4-1) 47.4
17 Irondale (11-0-1) 47.0
18 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (9-3-0) 46.1
19 White Bear Lake (5-5-2) 45.7
20 Hastings (8-4-0) 45.5
21 Minnetonka (6-6-0) 45.4
22 Cretin-Derham Hall (5-4-3) 45.1
23 Cambridge-Isanti/Mora (7-3-0) 44.8
24 Blaine (7-6-1) 43.6
25 Hill-Murray (7-3-1) 42.2
26 Rochester Mayo (8-4-0) 41.8
T-27 Shakopee (6-6-0) 41.7
T-27 Bemidji (6-6-0) 41.7
29 Apple Valley (8-5-0) 41.3
30 St. Cloud Tech (8-3-2) 41.0
T-31 Coon Rapids (3-5-1) 39.6
T-31 Farmington (6-5-1) 39.6
33 Eastview (10-3-0) 39.3
34 Andover (5-5-1) 38.9
35 Burnsville (4-7-1) 38.5
36 North Wright County (8-4-2) 37.7
37 Lakeville North (8-3-1) 36.9
38 Minneapolis (6-3-3) 35.7
39 St. Cloud Icebreakers (6-5-2) 35.6
40 North St. Paul (6-6-0) 35.5
41 Maple Grove (4-8-1) 35.3
42 Chaska (5-6-1) 34.9
43 St. Francis (4-6-1) 34.6
44 Anoka (6-5-2) 34.3
45 River Lakes (5-6-1) 34.1
46 Buffalo (5-9-0) 33.7
47 Brainerd (6-8-0) 33.5
48 St. Paul Blades (7-5-0) 31.0
49 Chisago Lakes Area (5-8-0) 30.9
50 Mounds View (4-7-2) 30.8
51 Rosemount (4-8-0) 30.2
52 Owatonna (5-5-0) 29.3
53 North Metro (4-11-0) 28.4
54 Spring Lake Park (4-8-0) 27.5
55 Lakeville South (2-8-2) 26.9
T-56 Park of Cottage Grove (4-7-1) 26.3
T-56 Prior Lake (3-8-1) 26.3
58 Robbinsdale Armstrong (3-11-0) 25.7
59 Woodbury (2-11-0) 25.3
60 Sartell/Sauk Rapids (5-7-0) 24.4
61 Bloomington Kennedy (6-7-0) 23.1
62 Dodge County (5-7-0) 20.8
63 Rochester John Marshall (3-7-0) 20.3
64 Champlin Park (3-7-1) 19.9
65 Bloomington Jefferson (1-10-1) 19.8
66 Rogers/Zimmerman (2-7-2) 18.7
67 Robbinsdale Cooper (1-10-0) 13.3
68 Winona (2-7-0) 12.2
69 Tartan (0-11-0) 11.3
70 Rochester Century (0-14-0) 7.7

Class A1 Blake (11-0-2) 80.9
2 Warroad (10-1-1) 62.3
3 Alexandria (11-1-2) 62.2
4 Breck (10-2-1) 62.1
5 Roseau (8-3-1) 59.3
6 New Prague (10-2-1) 51.2
7 Crookston (10-2-0) 51.0
8 Mankato West (9-2-0) 49.0
9 South St. Paul (7-5-0) 46.8
10 Mound-Westonka (8-3-1) 45.0
11 Hutchinson (7-3-1) 44.5
12 Hibbing/Chisholm (5-8-0) 44.2
13 Silver Bay (4-6-1) 40.6
14 Marshall (8-2-0) 39.4
15 Richfield (4-7-1) 38.5
T-16 New Ulm (5-8-1) 37.5
T-16 Albert Lea (7-4-0) 37.5
18 Austin (7-5-0) 37.0
19 East Grand Forks (7-4-0) 36.8
20 Henry Sibley (6-7-0) 35.1
T-21 St. Louis Park (5-8-0) 33.7
T-21 Northfield (6-6-0) 33.7
23 Simley (5-7-0) 31.2
24 St. Paul United (7-5-1) 30.9
25 Red Wing (5-8-0) 29.9
26 Luverne (4-5-0) 29.0
T-27 Faribault (6-5-0) 28.4
T-27 L-H/St. Peter/Le Center (8-5-0) 28.4
29 Mahtomedi (3-8-0) 27.8
30 Morris Area/Benson/Minnewaska Area (8-1-0) 27.2
31 Orono (4-9-0) 26.3
32 LP-GE/W-DC (5-4-0) 25.7
T-33 Totino-Grace (2-10-0) 25.5
T-33 Willmar (4-7-0) 25.5
35 Eveleth-Gilbert (7-4-0) 23.6
36 International Falls (6-4-1) 23.3
37 Fergus Falls (1-10-0) 22.7
38 Thief River Falls (3-10-0) 21.3
39 Princeton (3-9-1) 20.4
40 Detroit Lakes (3-7-0) 20.2
41 Minnehaha Academy (1-10-0) 19.4
42 Moose Lake Area (2-5-1) 17.7
43 Fairmont (5-2-0) 16.7
44 Litchfield/D-C (1-12-0) 16.4
T-45 Lake of the Woods (0-9-0) 15.8
T-45 East Range (3-5-0) 15.8
47 St. Paul Saints (2-8-0) 15.6
48 Park Rapids/Menahga/Nevis (1-8-0) 14.9
49 Little Falls (1-10-0) 14.0
50 Worthington (0-6-1) 12.8
51 Mankato East (1-9-0) 11.3
52 Windom Area (2-6-0) 11.1
53 Waseca (1-9-0) 11.0
54 Redwood Valley (0-5-1) 4.3
55 Holy Family Catholic/Waconia (0-0-0) 0.0

[keepitreal]

Top 25 Rankings: December 30, 2007
Includes results from completed weekend tournaments; Kaposia will probably change the rankings again with 3 of the top 6 in the tournament:

Class AA
1 Eden Prairie (12-0-1) 83.4
2 Stillwater Area (14-0-1) 80.9
3 Holy Angels (11-3-0) 75.4
4 Grand Rapids/Greenway (14-1-1) 74.8
5 Edina (10-4-2) 73.3
6 Roseville (10-3-1) 69.8
7 Hopkins (13-2-2) 67.7
8 Duluth Area (10-3-3) 67.0
9 Centennial (12-3-0) 66.2
10 Eagan (9-4-1) 65.6
11 Minnetonka (9-6-0) 62.7
12 Elk River (11-2-2) 61.4
13 Wayzata (9-3-5) 61.3
14 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (7-7-2) 58.9
15 Cretin-Derham Hall (6-5-3) 57.1
16 Hill-Murray (9-4-1) 56.5
17 Blaine (9-7-1) 56.3
18 Irondale (13-1-1) 56.1
19 White Bear Lake (7-6-2) 55.7
20 Hastings (10-4-0) 55.6
21 Benilde-St. Margaret's (9-6-0) 54.5
22 Moorhead (9-3-0) 54.0
23 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (11-3-1) 53.9
24 Eastview (13-3-0) 53.0
25 Forest Lake (9-6-1) 51.9


Class A
1 Blake (14-0-2) 101.1
2 Breck (12-3-1) 78.2
3 Warroad (11-2-2) 77.0
4 Alexandria (11-1-2) 72.5
5 Roseau (10-3-1) 69.6
6 Mankato West (11-3-0) 60.3
7 South St. Paul (8-5-0) 58.5
8 Crookston (10-3-0) 57.6
9 Silver Bay (6-7-1) 57.3
10 New Prague (11-4-1) 56.8
11 Mound-Westonka (10-4-1) 55.2
12 Hibbing/Chisholm (5-9-0) 53.8
13 Hutchinson (8-4-1) 52.1
14 Albert Lea (10-4-0) 50.6
15 Henry Sibley (6-8-0) 46.0
16 New Ulm (7-8-2) 44.6
17 Richfield (5-9-1) 43.7
18 Marshall (9-4-0) 42.4
19 Austin (8-7-0) 41.9
20 St. Paul United (8-5-2) 41.2
T-21 East Grand Forks (7-6-0) 40.6
T-21 St. Louis Park (5-11-0) 40.6
23 Simley (7-7-0) 40.2
24 Northfield (7-8-0) 39.9
25 Red Wing (5-10-0) 37.3

[cluelessinminnesota]

I don't think QRF is very accurate if they can't even get the score of the game right.

Its happened more than once to Edina. Just look at this.
Dec '07 Time Opponent(s) Result Rec. Location
Sat 1 2:30 PM Wayzata T 1-1 F/OT 5-1-1 Wayzata
Sat 1 7:00 PM Eastview W 4-2 F 6-1-1 Edina
Thu 6 7:00 PM Holy Angels W 5-1 F 7-1-1 Edina
Sat 8 3:00 PM Hopkins L 3-0 F 7-2-1 Hopkins
Tue 11 7:00 PM Buffalo W 5-0 F 8-2-1 Edina
Sat 15 7:00 PM Robbinsdale Armstrong W 7-0 F 9-2-1 Edina
Tue 18 7:30 PM Minnetonka W 3-0 F 10-2-1 Minnetonka
Sat 22 3:00 PM Stillwater Area T 2-2 F/OT 10-2-2 Edina
Edina Tournament
Thu 27 8:00 PM Blaine L 4-2 F 10-3-2 Edina
Edina Tournament
Fri 28 5:30 PM Holy Angels L 3-2 F 10-4-2 Edina
Edina Tournament
Sat 29 3:00 PM Cretin-Derham Hall Report Score Edina


Edina never has played Eastview this year and they beat AHA 3-2 on the 28th. Are other people noticing these errors?

[MNHockeyFan]

Edina never has played Eastview this year and they beat AHA 3-2 on the 28th. Are other people noticing these errors?

I would suggest reporting any errors you notice by sending an email to:

comments@minnesota-scores.net

For QRF they use the game scores as reported by AP and sometimes they are wrong. Once the correct score is verified they will correct the input into QRF.

[MNHockeyFan]

I see where they published an update to the rankings that's dated 12/31, presumably to correct the Edina errors noted above as well as others it appears. As a result Edina has moved up From No. 5 to No. 3. Some of the other teams' point totals have also changed.

Class AA
Rankings: December 31, 2007
1 Eden Prairie (12-0-1) 83.4
2 Stillwater Area (14-0-1) 82.1
3 Edina (11-3-2) 75.7
4 Grand Rapids/Greenway (14-1-1) 74.8
5 Holy Angels (10-4-0) 71.2
6 Roseville (10-3-1) 70.7
7 Hopkins (13-2-2) 68.3
8 Duluth Area (10-3-3) 67.0
9 Centennial (12-3-0) 66.2
10 Eagan (9-4-1) 65.9
11 Minnetonka (9-6-0) 63.6
12 Wayzata (9-3-5) 61.6
13 Elk River (11-2-2) 61.4
14 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (7-7-2) 58.9
T-15 Blaine (9-7-1) 56.7
T-15 Cretin-Derham Hall (6-6-3) 56.7
17 Hill-Murray (9-4-1) 56.5
18 Hastings (10-4-0) 56.4
19 White Bear Lake (7-6-2) 56.3
20 Irondale (13-1-1) 56.1
21 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (11-3-1) 54.6
22 Benilde-St. Margaret's (9-6-0) 53.9
23 Moorhead (9-3-0) 53.2
24 Eastview (13-3-0) 53.0
25 Forest Lake (9-6-1)

[MNHockeyFan]

Updated to reflect the Kaposia scores:

Rankings: January 1, 2008

Class AA
1 Stillwater Area (15-0-1) 82.9
2 Eden Prairie (12-1-1) 81.7
3 Edina (11-3-2) 76.7
4 Grand Rapids/Greenway (14-1-1) 75.6
5 Roseville (11-3-1) 74.9
6 Holy Angels (10-4-0) 71.2
7 Hopkins (13-2-2) 68.3
8 Duluth Area (10-3-3) 67.6
T-9 Centennial (12-3-0) 66.2
T-9 Eagan (9-4-1) 66.2
11 Minnetonka (9-6-0) 63.6
12 Wayzata (9-3-5) 61.8
13 Elk River (11-2-2) 61.4
14 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (7-7-2) 59.7
15 Cretin-Derham Hall (6-6-3) 57.2
16 White Bear Lake (7-6-2) 57.0
17 Hastings (10-4-0) 56.9
18 Hill-Murray (9-4-1) 56.8
19 Blaine (9-7-1) 56.7
20 Irondale (13-1-1) 56.1
21 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (11-3-1) 55.2
22 Benilde-St. Margaret's (9-6-0) 53.9
23 Moorhead (9-3-0) 53.2
24 Forest Lake (9-6-1) 53.1
25 Eastview (13-3-0) 53.0

Class A
1 Blake (14-0-2) 102.2
2 Breck (12-3-1) 79.3
3 Warroad (11-2-2) 77.3
4 Alexandria (11-1-2) 73.1
5 Roseau (10-3-1) 70.3
6 Mankato West (11-3-0) 60.3
7 Silver Bay (6-7-1) 58.9
8 Crookston (11-3-0) 58.5
9 South St. Paul (8-6-0) 58.3
10 New Prague (11-4-1) 56.1
11 Hibbing/Chisholm (6-9-0) 55.3
12 Mound-Westonka (10-4-1) 55.2
13 Hutchinson (8-4-1) 51.2
14 Albert Lea (10-4-0) 50.6
15 Henry Sibley (6-9-0) 46.5
16 New Ulm (7-8-2) 44.6
17 Richfield (5-9-1) 43.0
18 Marshall (9-4-0) 42.6
19 Austin (8-7-0) 41.9
20 St. Paul United (8-5-2) 41.1
21 East Grand Forks (7-6-0) 40.9
22 St. Louis Park (5-11-0) 40.6
23 Simley (7-7-0) 40.2
24 Northfield (7-8-0) 40.1
25 Mahtomedi (5-9-0) 35.9

[MNHockeyFan]

Rankings: January 5, 2008

Class AA
1 Eden Prairie (14-1-1) 87.0
2 Stillwater Area (15-1-1) 85.9
3 Roseville (12-3-1) 85.5
4 Grand Rapids/Greenway (16-1-1) 82.3
5 Edina (11-4-2) 77.3
6 Holy Angels (10-4-0) 75.7
7 Hopkins (13-2-2) 70.8
8 Duluth Area (11-3-3) 69.7
9 Eagan (9-5-1) 69.4
10 Minnetonka (9-6-0) 67.8
11 Centennial (12-4-0) 66.3
12 White Bear Lake (8-6-2) 65.9
13 Wayzata (10-3-5) 65.5
14 Benilde-St. Margaret's (10-6-0) 63.9
15 Elk River (11-2-2) 63.6
16 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (7-7-2) 62.9
17 Hill-Murray (10-4-1) 62.2
18 Moorhead (10-3-0) 61.1
19 Hastings (10-5-0) 59.8
20 Cretin-Derham Hall (6-7-3) 59.3
21 Irondale (13-2-1) 59.1
22 Blaine (9-7-1) 58.6
23 Eastview (14-3-0) 58.1
24 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (11-3-1) 56.8
25 Apple Valley (9-7-1) 55.4
26 Forest Lake (9-7-1) 54.8
27 Chaska (9-6-1) 52.5
28 Burnsville (6-8-2) 52.2
29 Rochester Mayo (9-6-1) 52.0
30 Lakeville North (10-4-2) 51.4

Class A
1 Blake (15-0-3) 101.1
2 Breck (12-3-2) 83.6
3 Warroad (12-2-2) 82.1
4 Alexandria (12-1-2) 78.0
5 Roseau (11-3-2) 76.8
6 Crookston (12-3-1) 66.4
7 Mankato West (12-3-0) 66.0
8 South St. Paul (8-8-0) 62.0
9 Hibbing/Chisholm (7-10-0) 60.3
10 Silver Bay (6-8-1) 59.6
11 New Prague (11-4-1) 59.2
12 Albert Lea (11-4-0) 54.7
13 Mound-Westonka (10-5-2) 54.6
14 New Ulm (8-8-2) 50.5
15 Hutchinson (8-6-1) 50.0
16 Henry Sibley (8-9-0) 49.3
17 St. Paul United (9-5-2) 47.9
18 Richfield (6-10-1) 47.8
19 East Grand Forks (8-7-0) 47.7
20 Austin (9-7-0) 44.8
21 Simley (8-7-0) 44.7
22 Northfield (7-9-0) 42.9
23 Marshall (10-4-0) 42.5
24 St. Louis Park (5-12-0) 42.4
25 Mahtomedi (5-10-0) 39.6
26 LP-GE/W-DC (8-4-1) 38.6
27 Orono (5-11-0) 36.7
28 Faribault (7-8-0) 36.5
29 Red Wing (4-12-0) 36.3
30 Morris Area/Benson/Minnewaska Area (11-2-0) 35.8

[hockeyrube7]

Are things maybe a bit more balanced this year, it looks like the top 5 to 6 in class A could compete with any of the AA teams? At least by what we are seeing in scores as of late.

[GOCARDS1]

Lets Play Hockey Rankings
1/10/08
Class 2A
1. Roseville
2. Grand Rapids/Greenway
3. Stillwater
4. Eden Prairie
5. Hopkins
6. Holy Angels
7. Edina
8. Elk River
9. Wayzata
10. Eagan.

Class 1A
1. Blake
2. Warroad
3. Breck
4. Alexandria
5. Roseau
6. Crookston
7. Mankato West
8. New Prague
9. South St. Paul
10. Hibbing/Chisholm.

QRF Rankings
1/10/08
Class 2A
1 Eden Prairie
2 Roseville
3 Grand Rapids/Greenway
4 Stillwater Area
5 Edina
6 Holy Angels
7 Duluth Area
8 Hopkins
9 Wayzata
10 Eagan

Class 1A
1 Blake
2 Breck
3 Warroad
4 Alexandria
5 Roseau
6 Crookston
7 Mankato West
8 Hibbing/Chisholm
9 South St. Paul
10 New Prague

[cluelessinminnesota]

It is too bad that KRACH isn't around to give us another poll.

Without KRACH I think QRF is the best measurement. It seems to understand SOS better than the human rankers.

Pretty soon we can throw these rankings out and start the second season!!!!

[joehockey]

Rankings: January 11, 2008
1 Eden Prairie (16-1-1) 99.3
2 Roseville (14-3-1) 95.6
3 Grand Rapids/Greenway (16-1-1) 92.2
4 Stillwater Area (15-1-2) 91.0
5 Holy Angels (12-4-0) 86.3
6 Edina (12-5-2) 84.6
7 Duluth Area (12-3-3) 79.5
8 Hopkins (15-2-2) 78.3
9 Eagan (11-5-1) 78.1
10 Wayzata (11-4-5) 75.4
11 Benilde-St. Margaret's (12-6-0) 73.8
12 Centennial (14-4-0) 73.7
13 Elk River (12-2-2) 72.5
14 Minnetonka (9-8-0) 71.5
15 White Bear Lake (9-7-2) 70.1
16 Hastings (12-5-1) 68.5
17 Hill-Murray (11-4-1) 68.1
18 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (8-8-2) 67.9
19 Blaine (11-7-1) 67.4
20 Irondale (14-2-1) 65.6
21 Moorhead (10-4-1) 65.2
22 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (13-3-1) 64.9
23 Eastview (14-4-0) 64.5
24 Apple Valley (11-7-1) 63.5
25 Rochester Mayo (12-6-1) 62.0
T-26 Burnsville (8-8-2) 60.7
T-26 Forest Lake (10-7-1) 60.7
28 Cretin-Derham Hall (7-8-3) 59.9
T-29 North St. Paul (10-7-0) 58.4
T-29 Andover (8-7-2) 58.4
31 St. Cloud Tech (11-6-2) 58.3
32 Bemidji (8-10-0) 58.2
33 Chaska (10-7-1) 56.2
34 Lakeville North (10-6-2) 56.1
35 Coon Rapids (4-9-1) 54.5
36 Anoka (9-7-2) 54.3
37 Mounds View (7-10-2) 52.9
38 Cambridge-Isanti/Mora (9-6-1) 52.7
39 Farmington (10-6-2) 51.7
40 St. Francis (9-7-2) 51.4
T-41 Minneapolis (11-4-3) 51.1
T-41 Shakopee (10-8-0) 51.1
43 Maple Grove (6-10-1) 48.0
44 North Wright County (10-5-2) 47.5
45 Brainerd (8-8-1) 47.3
46 St. Cloud Icebreakers (8-7-2) 45.9
47 Buffalo (7-9-0) 45.7
48 North Metro (6-12-0) 44.5
49 Robbinsdale Armstrong (5-14-0) 42.8
50 Rosemount (7-11-0) 42.6
51 Chisago Lakes Area (7-11-0) 42.1
52 River Lakes (5-8-2) 41.8
T-53 Lakeville South (4-12-2) 41.5
T-53 Park of Cottage Grove (6-10-1) 41.5
55 Owatonna (7-8-1) 41.4
56 Spring Lake Park (8-11-0) 41.3
57 Bloomington Jefferson (4-13-1) 39.8
58 St. Paul Blades (8-8-1) 39.5
59 Prior Lake (4-14-1) 38.7
60 Woodbury (4-14-0) 37.7
61 Bloomington Kennedy (8-10-1) 35.0
62 Rochester John Marshall (5-11-0) 32.2
63 Dodge County (6-10-0) 29.9
64 Sartell/Sauk Rapids (5-11-1) 29.7
T-65 Rogers/Zimmerman (4-11-2) 29.6
T-65 Champlin Park (5-11-1) 29.6
67 Winona (5-10-0) 22.8
68 Robbinsdale Cooper (1-16-0) 20.2
69 Tartan (0-16-0) 19.6
70 Rochester Century (0-18-0) 13.5

[MNHockeyFan]

QRF Rankings: January 16, 2008

Class AA
1 Eden Prairie (17-1-1) 107.7
T-2 Roseville (15-3-2) 100.5
T-2 Grand Rapids/Greenway (18-2-1) 100.5
4 Edina (13-5-2) 97.8
5 Stillwater Area (17-1-2) 94.6
6 Holy Angels (14-4-0) 94.3
7 Hopkins (16-3-2) 86.7
8 Eagan (13-5-1) 85.1
9 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (16-3-1) 82.5
10 Duluth Area (12-3-4) 82.4
11 White Bear Lake (10-7-3) 82.0
12 Hill-Murray (13-4-1) 80.7
T-13 Centennial (16-4-0) 80.3
T-13 Wayzata (11-5-5) 80.3
15 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (9-8-2) 77.0
16 Benilde-St. Margaret's (13-6-0) 76.6
17 Elk River (12-3-2) 76.3
18 Blaine (13-7-1) 75.7
19 Minnetonka (11-8-0) 73.3
20 Moorhead (11-4-1) 72.6
21 Hastings (13-6-1) 69.6
22 Irondale (15-2-1) 68.5
23 Burnsville (9-8-2) 68.0
T-24 Bemidji (9-10-0) 67.5
T-24 Eastview (15-5-0) 67.5
26 Cretin-Derham Hall (8-8-3) 65.2
27 Apple Valley (11-8-1) 65.1
28 Forest Lake (10-8-1) 65.0
29 Rochester Mayo (13-6-1) 64.2
30 Andover (9-8-2) 63.9
T-31 North St. Paul (11-8-0) 63.8
T-31 St. Cloud Tech (11-7-2) 63.8
33 Chaska (10-8-1) 61.1
34 Farmington (11-6-2) 60.2
35 Mounds View (8-11-2) 58.5
36 Lakeville North (10-7-2) 58.1
37 Anoka (9-8-2) 57.6
38 Cambridge-Isanti/Mora (11-7-1) 57.2
39 Coon Rapids (5-10-1) 56.8
40 Minneapolis (12-5-3) 56.2
41 Shakopee (11-9-0) 55.3
42 St. Francis (10-7-2) 54.3
43 Maple Grove (7-11-1) 52.9
44 Buffalo (9-9-0) 51.7
45 St. Cloud Icebreakers (9-7-2) 51.6
46 North Wright County (10-7-2) 49.9
47 Brainerd (8-9-2) 49.7
48 Owatonna (9-8-1) 48.4
49 North Metro (6-14-0) 47.9
50 Rosemount (7-12-0) 46.6
51 Park of Cottage Grove (6-12-1) 46.1
52 Robbinsdale Armstrong (5-15-0) 46.0
53 Spring Lake Park (8-11-0) 45.1
54 Chisago Lakes Area (7-11-1) 44.5
55 St. Paul Blades (9-9-1) 43.5
56 Lakeville South (4-13-2) 43.2
57 River Lakes (6-10-2) 42.5
58 Bloomington Jefferson (5-13-1) 41.9
59 Woodbury (4-16-0) 41.6
60 Prior Lake (4-15-1) 41.5
61 Dodge County (8-10-0) 37.9
62 Bloomington Kennedy (8-10-1) 37.3
63 Champlin Park (6-12-1) 36.0
64 Rochester John Marshall (6-12-0) 34.7
65 Sartell/Sauk Rapids (6-11-1) 34.6
66 Rogers/Zimmerman (4-14-2) 32.3
67 Winona (6-11-0) 26.6
68 Tartan (2-17-0) 24.9
69 Robbinsdale Cooper (1-19-0) 21.3
70 Rochester Century (0-20-0)

Class A
1 Blake (17-0-3) 118.3
2 Breck (14-4-2) 99.0
3 Alexandria (15-1-2) 94.4
4 Warroad (14-4-2) 92.3
5 Roseau (14-4-2) 91.1
6 Crookston (13-4-1) 80.5
7 Mankato West (14-4-0) 79.1
8 South St. Paul (10-9-0) 76.2
9 Hibbing/Chisholm (7-12-1) 75.1
10 Silver Bay (9-9-1) 74.7
11 New Prague (13-6-1) 71.7
12 Albert Lea (13-5-0) 71.4
13 Mound-Westonka (12-6-2) 66.4
14 New Ulm (9-8-2) 63.1
15 Henry Sibley (10-10-0) 61.5
16 Hutchinson (9-8-1) 58.9
17 Austin (11-8-0) 58.7
18 Marshall (14-4-0) 58.6
19 St. Paul United (10-6-3) 56.6
20 East Grand Forks (11-7-0) 54.2
21 Richfield (7-12-1) 53.6
22 Simley (9-11-0) 53.4
23 Orono (7-13-0) 50.5
24 Northfield (8-12-0) 49.5
25 St. Louis Park (5-13-1) 48.0
26 Faribault (8-11-0) 47.6
27 Morris Area/Benson/Minnewaska Area (12-3-0) 46.8
28 Red Wing (5-15-0) 45.6
29 Mahtomedi (7-12-0) 45.0
30 Willmar (8-10-0) 44.0
31 Totino-Grace (4-15-0) 43.8
32 Luverne (8-9-0) 42.6
33 Fergus Falls (5-11-2) 42.0
34 Eveleth-Gilbert (12-7-0) 41.1
35 LP-GE/W-DC (10-5-1) 40.8
36 L-H/St. Peter/Le Center (10-7-0) 40.5
37 International Falls (9-8-1) 39.1
38 St. Paul Saints (5-13-0) 38.6
39 Detroit Lakes (6-10-0) 38.0
40 Thief River Falls (4-14-0) 34.8
41 Princeton (4-14-1) 34.2
42 Litchfield/D-C (3-18-0) 31.8
43 Minnehaha Academy (3-15-0) 29.5
44 Park Rapids/Menahga/Nevis (2-13-0) 28.8
45 Moose Lake Area (5-10-1) 28.1
46 East Range (8-8-0) 27.8
47 Lake of the Woods (2-16-1) 26.6
48 Fairmont (6-6-0) 25.3
49 Mankato East (3-16-0) 23.2
50 Little Falls (2-15-1) 21.5
51 Waseca (3-13-0) 17.1
52 Worthington (0-10-1) 15.5
53 Windom Area (4-11-0) 12.6
54 Redwood Valley (0-9-1)

[hockeywild7]

Stillwater being ranked 5th is an embarrassment to the ranking system. QRF needs to revamp its computer system. How can Edina be ranked above Stillwater? Stillwater plays as tough a schedule as anyone. Ranking Roseville ahead of them at this point also makes no sense. EP is a great team, but look at their strength of schedule. Stillwater has split their series with Roseville, has two fewer losses, yet gets ranked lower. Sorry but no matter how you cut it this ranking system has serious flaws. BRING BACK KRACH!

[MNHockeyFan]

Sorry but no matter how you cut it this ranking system has serious flaws. BRING BACK KRACH!

As I remember from last year's discussions, the QRF and KRACH systems are (or were) very similar except that QRF adds margin of victory as a component, in addtion to wins/losses, strength of schedule, etc. For example under KRACH a narrow win (like 2-1) carried as much weight as would a much larger margin of victory (like 8-1) over the same team. I'm not arguing one way or the other which is better, but as I recall this was the main difference between the two systems. You can argue which formula leads to more accurate results, but what both of them have going in their favor is that local favoritism (and the reputations the various programs have) do not enter into it. Each is/was based solely on actual game outcomes over the course of the season. From there it's just a matter of the relative weightings that are used to produce each polls' results.

At the end of the day QRF, LPH, AP, etc. are all just different yardsticks of how the teams supposedly measure up to one another. As has been said many times before, they don't give out state championships based on who's No. 1 in any of these polls.