goldy313 wrote:As for head shots, keep your head up and you won't get hit there. Sometimes kids are rewarded for being stupid and having bad habits.
goldy313....These are the two hand pops under the chin that have become so popular because coaches all the way up don't bother teaching proper checking. There are crap chickensh.. hits that aren't called near enough.
That's funny, I call them all the time, but then again, I tend to be on the more rule following side of things then letting kids get away with illegal acts.
Someone brought up the argument about a kid should be able to hook a little because another player is faster. How dumb is that? The faster kid put the extra time in and we should try to even it out by letting the slower kid cheat? Ummm........no. The hockey stick was meant to play the puck and lift the other players stick so that he couldn't play the puck.
theref...are you the big guy that did the Orono-Warroad game?
Slow down a bit I said isn't called NEAR enough and I don't think I was calling you out personally. And I'm not talking just HS here it's from Pee-Wees up...looks to be the standard checking style now in the youth.
goldy313 wrote:As for head shots, keep your head up and you won't get hit there. Sometimes kids are rewarded for being stupid and having bad habits.
goldy313....These are the two hand pops under the chin that have become so popular because coaches all the way up don't bother teaching proper checking. There are crap chickensh.. hits that aren't called near enough.
That's funny, I call them all the time, but then again, I tend to be on the more rule following side of things then letting kids get away with illegal acts.
Someone brought up the argument about a kid should be able to hook a little because another player is faster. How dumb is that? The faster kid put the extra time in and we should try to even it out by letting the slower kid cheat? Ummm........no. The hockey stick was meant to play the puck and lift the other players stick so that he couldn't play the puck.
I didnt read about being able to hook but I did make mention of a kid having to "olay" and allow the opponent the right of the puck instead of getting infront of him in a foot race to it. If a kid screens for his own teammate, it is interference. If a kid is in a foot race and is skating in front of a faster player he is just using his body like they do going to the net shielding hte opponent from the puck. 2 different situations and one of which should not be called...
newsguy35 wrote:The first 2 games I saw this year were brutal. Not in a "non-call" way but in the fact that there was no flow because of all of the penalties...
...if there is a whistle ever 2 seconds the game gets boring and loses the up beat tempo...
newsguy35 wrote:Was a goalie and there were many of games I bumped the post off by kicking side to side so that the scrum in front of the net didnt cost our team a goal. Its called being heads up...
What about the lack of flow from nets being knocked off? The purpose of nets being easy to dislodge is not to get stoppages when in a jam.
And back on topic - If the refs enforce the rules then not only will the game favor skilled play (isn't that what we all want?), but a smart coach can really take advantage. Instead of there being 10 interference penalties each side, teach your team to play clean and you will be +10 in power plays awarded.
Whiners always complain. I remember a game where a team was behind and was awarded 5 or 6 straight power plays. Did their fans like that? No, they were complaining that the whistles were stopping the flow and hurting them from having rhythym. Are you kidding me?!?!
newsguy35 wrote:The first 2 games I saw this year were brutal. Not in a "non-call" way but in the fact that there was no flow because of all of the penalties...
...if there is a whistle ever 2 seconds the game gets boring and loses the up beat tempo...
newsguy35 wrote:Was a goalie and there were many of games I bumped the post off by kicking side to side so that the scrum in front of the net didnt cost our team a goal. Its called being heads up...
What about the lack of flow from nets being knocked off? The purpose of nets being easy to dislodge is not to get stoppages when in a jam.
And back on topic - If the refs enforce the rules then not only will the game favor skilled play (isn't that what we all want?), but a smart coach can really take advantage. Instead of there being 10 interference penalties each side, teach your team to play clean and you will be +10 in power plays awarded.
Whiners always complain. I remember a game where a team was behind and was awarded 5 or 6 straight power plays. Did their fans like that? No, they were complaining that the whistles were stopping the flow and hurting them from having rhythym. Are you kidding me?!?!
havent seen a penalty called on dislodging the net. its heads up and if you do it sparingly the officials laugh and joke with you about it.
As for being behind and getting calls, that is not even close to what this is about. Its about the "interference" calls. The calls where the slower player gets a penalty for playing with heart and trying to play without the puck... Not even necessarily throwing a check without it, just using his body to shield an opponent. I want to see an interference on a player who drives to the net and shields the opponent from the puck. The opponent doesnt have the puck, thus it should be a penalty? Same concept...
goldy313 wrote:As for head shots, keep your head up and you won't get hit there. Sometimes kids are rewarded for being stupid and having bad habits.
goldy313....These are the two hand pops under the chin that have become so popular because coaches all the way up don't bother teaching proper checking. There are crap chickensh.. hits that aren't called near enough.
That's not a check, never has been. It should be and is a penalty. What gets me is when a kid skates with his head down and gets hit with a shoulder or hip or even worse and becoming more common is a kid lowering himself down to avoid a check then being hit in the head and the defender is punished. This is youth hockey BS.
goldy...TOTALLY agree with you I thought you were coming from a different angle. I get a kick out of some of the calls this season saw the Hahn kid absolutely CRUSH some puck carriers at the center ice dot who had their heads down with TEXTBOOK shoulder checks and he's gotten the gate both times. It has looked as of late that the refs are making calls by crowd reaction I didn't realize we had put skirts the boys. Funny one last night on the subject of interference a Warrior D is backing up on the PK and the suckhole guy on the PP sets up behind him he backs into the kid not knowing he's even there because he's playing the guy with the puck in front of him the kid behind him falls down and he picks up 2 more interference.
newsguy35 wrote:
havent seen a penalty called on dislodging the net. its heads up and if you do it sparingly the officials laugh and joke with you about it.
I prefer that skaters use skills (skating, puckhandling, passing, shooting) to win games instead of clutching and grabbing. And that goalies also use skills to stop pucks instead of knocking nets off moorings.
newsguy35 wrote:As for being behind and getting calls, that is not even close to what this is about.
You had been talking about keeping flow in a game. I used the complaining about getting PPs when behind as an example of how some people will complain about anything. It was not aimed at you. Here's where I feel it applies: I just couldn't believe that the parents were upset that the other team's interferences were being penalized. They weren't scoring on the power plays and so were complaining that the whistles were stopping the flow and hurting them from gaining momemtum for a comeback.
newsguy35 wrote:
havent seen a penalty called on dislodging the net. its heads up and if you do it sparingly the officials laugh and joke with you about it.
I prefer that skaters use skills (skating, puckhandling, passing, shooting) to win games instead of clutching and grabbing. And that goalies also use skills to stop pucks instead of knocking nets off moorings.
newsguy35 wrote:As for being behind and getting calls, that is not even close to what this is about.
You had been talking about keeping flow in a game. I used the complaining about getting PPs when behind as an example of how some people will complain about anything. It was not aimed at you. Here's where I feel it applies: I just couldn't believe that the parents were upset that the other team's interferences were being penalized. They weren't scoring on the power plays and so were complaining that the whistles were stopping the flow and hurting them from gaining momemtum for a comeback.
So you dont want the kids absolutely giving everything to the game? I would much rather see the great saves too but the kids do what they have to do to win. If it is going to be called this tight then go to Europe and watch them play like that as they dont hit at all, they dont throw their body and everything into the game. Instead its all stick work and bs. Sorry but that is just my opinion. If you want to call it feel free but none of the coaches would back you on it as they teach them to throw everything they have in the game and every check... Pretty simple, water the game down to pure stick-handling and speed and lose what hockey is really about, being a better team also means to give and receive hits. If you call your penalties the way you call them then you will lose hockey altogether...
newsguy35 wrote:
havent seen a penalty called on dislodging the net. its heads up and if you do it sparingly the officials laugh and joke with you about it.
I prefer that skaters use skills (skating, puckhandling, passing, shooting) to win games instead of clutching and grabbing. And that goalies also use skills to stop pucks instead of knocking nets off moorings.
newsguy35 wrote:As for being behind and getting calls, that is not even close to what this is about.
You had been talking about keeping flow in a game. I used the complaining about getting PPs when behind as an example of how some people will complain about anything. It was not aimed at you. Here's where I feel it applies: I just couldn't believe that the parents were upset that the other team's interferences were being penalized. They weren't scoring on the power plays and so were complaining that the whistles were stopping the flow and hurting them from gaining momemtum for a comeback.
So you dont want the kids absolutely giving everything to the game? I would much rather see the great saves too but the kids do what they have to do to win. If it is going to be called this tight then go to Europe and watch them play like that as they dont hit at all, they dont throw their body and everything into the game. Instead its all stick work and bs. Sorry but that is just my opinion. If you want to call it feel free but none of the coaches would back you on it as they teach them to throw everything they have in the game and every check... Pretty simple, water the game down to pure stick-handling and speed and lose what hockey is really about, being a better team also means to give and receive hits. If you call your penalties the way you call them then you will lose hockey altogether...
Please reference where I said that effort was not important? Players should put everything in the game. That means within the rules.
Clutching, grabbing, and other kinds of interference stem from not putting forth a good effort and trying to take the easy, lazy, and illegal way out. I hope that coaches teach kids to put forth a better effort. Checking is fine. A good check needs good skill and effort and it's in the rules. Interference is not fine. Its necessity comes from less skill and effort and it's against the rules.
Maybe the day will come when we will praise and highlight replays of great interferences and goal dislodges instead of great goals and saves. I hope it doesn't come.
Undercover Hockey Lover wrote:I didn't realize we had put skirts the boys. Funny one last night on the subject of interference a Warrior D is backing up on the PK and the suckhole guy on the PP sets up behind him he backs into the kid not knowing he's even there because he's playing the guy with the puck in front of him the kid behind him falls down and he picks up 2 more interference.
Agree - but I think US hockey wants to refer to them as kilts and not skirts.....more manly like Braveheart but still breezy.
I have seen Interference calls like this too. It's very funny and it comes down to the referee making a by-the-book call on the event rather than looking at, and judging the intent.
