What would you do?

#1hockeymom · Post by **#1hockeymom** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:52 pm

The situation is a team has two goalies that are somewhat even and have split most of the games to date. One goalie steps forward and starts to play hot. It is now after the first of the year and my opinion is you stick with your hot tender. It is her job to lose. It's not about hurting feelings but playing to win and rewarding those who have earned it. If goalie A gets cold then goalie B would get the start. What would you do to motivate your goalies?

Love,

Mom

Media · Post by **Media** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:25 pm

If there was a big game ie: section game, tough opponent, rivalry then goalie A would get the start. If there were games where goalie B could do the job she would certainly get some shots down the stretch. Yes its about winning, but winning what ? you are a single injury away from having Goalie B as your starter the rest of the way. I dont see it as either or, unless there is a great " descrepancy" If one is a sr and one is an underclassman will have an impact on my decision as well because you must continue to develop the underclassman.If you are thinking short term play your senior all the way through.but your missing a chance to develop the future. Do you playfor the future of a team or for the future of a program. I think both can be satisfied. Remember as quick as a goalie can get hot she can also get cold,Then goalie B better be ready and thats hard to do sitting on the bench. Keeping everyone on the bench excited and contributing will much further than not. Just my opinion on a very complex issue .

goalzilla · Post by **goalzilla** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:55 pm

Although it's necessary to get your "B" goalie some shots, if the "A" goalie is on fire I am a firm believer not to break stride or deminish confidence. Unless goalie "A" says I need a break or is showing signs of fatigue let her roll. The "B" goalie can always get some shots at the JV level if it's a concern. But if they are playing equal alternate them until one show consistancy and then go with who's hot. My kids are goalies and they know what comes with the territory. If you're slumping work your butt off at practice and go at 110% gain the coach's confidence to get a shot to gain your #1 spot back.

Bash Brother · Post by **Bash Brother** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:29 pm

You gotta go with the hot goalie. The roseau boys did it last year and it seemed to work out alright for them.

xk1 · Post by **xk1** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:58 am

The last thing to do is bring your argument to this forum. Have your daughter talk to her coach, it's between her and the coach.

#1hockeymom · Post by **#1hockeymom** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:05 pm

xk1 wrote:The last thing to do is bring your argument to this forum. Have your daughter talk to her coach, it's between her and the coach.

No argument here xk1, just hockey people discussing real hockey issues. I presented the question for discussion purposes only. Maybe you should stop reading between the lines and let me know what would you do

Love,

Mom

roll4lines · Post by **roll4lines** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:44 pm

#1hockeymom wrote:
xk1 wrote:The last thing to do is bring your argument to this forum. Have your daughter talk to her coach, it's between her and the coach.
No argument here xk1, just hockey people discussing real hockey issues. I presented the question for discussion purposes only. Maybe you should stop reading between the lines and let me know what would you do

Love,

Mom

XK1 is right. Quit taking about your own kid. I'm sure she would say the same thing.

xk1 · Post by **xk1** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:24 am

There is no "right" answer and whatever the coach does will be second guessed if the team loses. My observation is that if all things are roughly equal, go with the senior as the younger goalie will have their chance.

Parents discussing this type of thing in a public forum or really even at the rink, is a real hockey issue. If you need to vent, take it offline and with people not associated with the team.

Valley Eggroll · Post by **Valley Eggroll** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:15 pm

The best way to motivate your goalies would be to pull them and skate 6 attackers. This would also help to motivate your D.

tomASS · Post by **tomASS** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:29 pm

xk1 wrote:There is no "right" answer and whatever the coach does will be second guessed if the team loses. My observation is that if all things are roughly equal, go with the senior as the younger goalie will have their chance.

Parents discussing this type of thing in a public forum or really even at the rink, is a real hockey issue. If you need to vent, take it offline and with people not associated with the team.

Valley Eggroll · Post by **Valley Eggroll** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:07 pm

Hey Roll4, you must be rolling something. Most coaches have an open door policy. You open the door for them!! They don't want to listen to what the player has to say. These players get labeled as "whiners" when they adress these issues with the coach. Unless your hometown has a "bleeding heart" for a coach, it's best to keep your mouth shut. He/she will do what they think is best to win. I even heard of a team the rolls 4 lines!!

polars · Post by **polars** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:10 pm

Valley Eggroll wrote:Hey Roll4, you must be rolling something. Most coaches have an open door policy. You open the door for them!! They don't want to listen to what the player has to say. These players get labeled as "whiners" when they adress these issues with the coach. Unless your hometown has a "bleeding heart" for a coach, it's best to keep your mouth shut. He/she will do what they think is best to win. I even heard of a team the rolls 4 lines!!

I say toughen up and play.

polars · Post by **polars** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:11 pm

Valley Eggroll wrote:Hey Roll4, you must be rolling something. Most coaches have an open door policy. You open the door for them!! They don't want to listen to what the player has to say. These players get labeled as "whiners" when they adress these issues with the coach. Unless your hometown has a "bleeding heart" for a coach, it's best to keep your mouth shut. He/she will do what they think is best to win. I even heard of a team the rolls 4 lines!!

I think eegRoll and Roll4 are one in the same. Either way I agree with both. Go big red!

winnings not 4 everyone · Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:35 pm

I think the senior goalie should get the start. She has put in her time and her parents the money to deserve a chance to play as a senior. I would suggest to any up and comming 14U's to pay attention to their spot on the food chain. Remember, you have the opportuntity to open enroll before 9th grade and be eligible. Sure beats riding the pine for 2-3 years.

tomASS · Post by **tomASS** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:03 pm

winnings not 4 everyone wrote:I think the senior goalie should get the start. She has put in her time and her parents the money to deserve a chance to play as a senior. I would suggest to any up and comming 14U's to pay attention to their spot on the food chain. Remember, you have the opportuntity to open enroll before 9th grade and be eligible. Sure beats riding the pine for 2-3 years.

Really

even if the senior is not as good as the younger goalie? - sounds like entitlement. Maybe you could get the MSHSL to pass a rule like that?

goalzilla · Post by **goalzilla** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:25 pm

Regardless of the players class status they need to earn the spot. IF the coach is a stand up guy and not beholding to someone's parents he'll go with the player who earned it. Example if I have a kid that is a senior and the other is of lower class standing; they are equal in abiility and the senior just gets by on the minimum and works at 80%, etc and the younger player is hungry and works their butt of everyday, and is just unrelenting; sorry they earned it and I'm running with them. With that said I would also have a little sit down with my Upper Classman to make sure they understood why they arent playing and what they can do to change it around. Then the ball is their hands they can run with it or take a knee. As a coach I operate this way and as a parent I make it clear to my kids if you dont work hard you arent going to get many chances if any, you need to make your opportunities. There comes a time when as a parent you have to have a reality check and talk to your kid too, if you can see the reason why they arent playing. If it is a goalie you are talking about you have to shine that much more to stand out because most teams dont have goalie coaches and the other coaches dont have a clue about training a goalie.

dmbenough2Bagoalie · Post by **dmbenough2Bagoalie** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:28 pm

Remember, you have the opportuntity to open enroll before 9th grade and be eligible. Sure beats riding the pine for 2-3 years.

wo W lo O k like you A re someone whom is open fo R some mo R e new recruits. ha i kinda have a feeling i kn O w where you A re from : D

As for the tender situation i say roll with what is working as long as that performance and work ethic rolls over into every practice and the tenders head is in the right place which includes doing well in school, and having a good on and off ice attitude. No one wants to deal with a pre-madona including teamates and coaches. But on the other hand this is a subject for coaches and captains to discuss not us folks online.

JohnG · Post by **JohnG** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:28 am

I'd go with the hot goalie regardless whether she's a senior or not.

#2 Hockey Mom · Post by **#2 Hockey Mom** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:51 am

If a high school hockey coach is giving a kid a start because they are a senior and not because they truly earned it, then you are not playing competitive hockey. Go coach club hockey. Since when do kids learn anything by having it handed to them? IMO, kids learn a lot more when they have to work for it! It gets old when you hear about "pecking order" in high school sports because this is just not reality. The better player should be out there regardless of age!

Love, Mom

winnings not 4 everyone · Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:03 pm

It suprises me the number of HS coaches that still work on the developmental aspect of the game. If they would truly coach to win, they could weed out the dead weight by not offering them any optimism to continue to play. In two weeks, we will see the coaches who have it figgered out.

hockeywild7 · Post by **hockeywild7** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:34 pm

Not sure why any coach wouldn't work on the "developmental"part of the game and I don't think I would want me daughter to play for a coach who didn't. Don't give them any optimism? Not sure what that is supposed to mean.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:52 pm

Good coaches will give ALL of their players optimism, even as they make difficult lineup decisions. Players that get real down on themselves will give up mentally and stop trying to improve their games. This can have a negative effect on the team's development.

Media · Post by **Media** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:17 am

MNHockey Fan you are spot on with your comment.

finance_gal · Post by **finance_gal** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:44 am

hockeywild7 wrote:Not sure why any coach wouldn't work on the "developmental"part of the game and I don't think I would want me daughter to play for a coach who didn't. Don't give them any optimism? Not sure what that is supposed to mean.

In our daughters case the coach just wasn't capable of doing any developmnet work, I don't think he ever played high school hockey and had no knowledge of what was needed. so what we got was alot of rah rah BS and watching the same 7 players on the ice.

hockeya1a · Post by **hockeya1a** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:23 am

finance_gal wrote:
hockeywild7 wrote:Not sure why any coach wouldn't work on the "developmental"part of the game and I don't think I would want me daughter to play for a coach who didn't. Don't give them any optimism? Not sure what that is supposed to mean.
In our daughters case the coach just wasn't capable of doing any developmnet work, I don't think he ever played high school hockey and had no knowledge of what was needed. so what we got was alot of rah rah BS and watching the same 7 players on the ice.

I think only allowing 7 or 8 girls on the ice all of the time shows a coaches weekness! and it shows he is not into developing, but simply winning at all cost.
What a shame you might have a diamond in the rough!

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