Penalty Leaders why do they get such a bad rap?

[BCGHockey]

Interesting facts that I picked up reviewing the MGHCA website. These numbers are as of 1/13/08 and only as accurate as the MGHCA information. I pulled the top penalty minute players, used seniors only, and players with at least 10 points. This is a complete listing of all senior players that fell into the above criteria. Many of these players have a rap against them as being cheap and dirty type players. However it shows you the kind of players that the D1 programs are looking for. Big, strong, physical, aggresive to the puck, and willing to take a beating as well as give it.

60 minutes Andrea Green (Eden Prairie) going to Boston College
56 minutes Jessica Laurinitis (Wayzata) will play D1 not sure where yet!
52 minutes Lauren Smith (Holy Angels) going to Ohio State
50 minutes Monique Weber (Elk River) going to UConn
50 minutes Jac Daggit (Park Cottage Grove) going to SCSU
45 minutes Carey Hoffman (Mankato East) college hockey?
38 minutes Mikaela Mahoney (Buffalo) very nice player good enough to play D3 and maybe walk-on D1
38 minutes Brittany DeBoer (Spr Lake Park) not familiar with
38 minutes Liz Orke (Wayzata) going to Minnesota State Mankato
34 minutes Ariel Mackley (Burnsville) going to Minnesota State Mankato
32 minutes Montana Vichorek (Cloquet) going to Bemidji
32 minutes Tayler Broekemier (Crookston) not familiar with
32 minutes Kelsey Abrahamson (Simley) not familiar with
30 minutes Kelly Seeler (Eden Prairie) going to U of Minnesota
30 minutes Meaghan Brigl (Eastview) great soccer player!
28 minutes Kelsey Ketcher (Eden Prairie) will play D1 not sure where yet!

A total of 16 player listed. 8 have already made public their commitments to play D1 and 2 more I'm extremely confident will be playing D1 next year. So if everything works out as I'm expecting at least 62.5% of these top penalty takers will be playing at the highest level next year.

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[Valley Eggroll]

Yep, that is something certainly to be proud of. Being some of the top women goons in high school hockey. My guess is they are being sought after for something more than just penalty minutes. Of these "commitments", how many are scholarshipped?

[BCGHockey]

I'm sure every single one of them is being sought after for more than their penalty minutes, so I don't quite understand the goon reference. To the best of my knowledge each and everyone that has committed is on schoarship. That doesn't necessarily mean that each and everyone is 100%

[Hansonbrother]

Yep, that is something certainly to be proud of. Being some of the top women goons in high school hockey. My guess is they are being sought after for something more than just penalty minutes. Of these "commitments", how many are scholarshipped?

Heres the bottom line, the reason they get penalties is because of their aggressive play. I'm willing to bet they get alot of high sticks, checking, and interference penalties, going for loose pucks and running picks for their teammates. Because of their aggressiveness and competitiveness, along with amazing skill, they are D-1 players or players that will have an extended hockey career.

[gopher9]

Yep, that is something certainly to be proud of. Being some of the top women goons in high school hockey. My guess is they are being sought after for something more than just penalty minutes. Of these "commitments", how many are scholarshipped?

Heres the bottom line, the reason they get penalties is because of their aggressive play. I'm willing to bet they get alot of high sticks, checking, and interference penalties, going for loose pucks and running picks for their teammates. Because of their aggressiveness and competitiveness, along with amazing skill, they are D-1 players or players that will have an extended hockey career.

Wow Hansonbrother, well said! There is actually someone on here that knows what their talking about! Most D1 players that are commited will be on scholarship at some point in time. Not all their freshman year. Some are recruited walkons.

[Valley Eggroll]

Here's the other bottom line. If these girls get an opportunity to play D1, and continue to rack up these kind of minutes, their college careers will be shortlived. I don't care who you play for, when you put your team down one skater on a regular basis, you become a liability to your success. These girls are lucky, if they racked up these kind of minutes against quality teams, their teams would suffer. Luckily, MN high school sections have such a wide range of caliber among teams, you could skate shorthanded 51 minutes and still win by 10 against the bottom teams in any high school conference.

[gopher9]

Here's the other bottom line. If these girls get an opportunity to play D1, and continue to rack up these kind of minutes, their college careers will be shortlived. I don't care who you play for, when you put your team down one skater on a regular basis, you become a liability to your success. These girls are lucky, if they racked up these kind of minutes against quality teams, their teams would suffer. Luckily, MN high school sections have such a wide range of caliber among teams, you could skate shorthanded 51 minutes and still win by 10 against the bottom teams in any high school conference.

Valley, your not getting the point! When an 8th or 9th grader is going for the puck against a good sized stronger senior and the 8th or 9th grader gets bumped off the puck and falls. Almost 90% of the time there is a penalty called. There is more size parity in college hockey so this will not happen.

[twowayplay]

Keep in mind many of these girls also are on the ice a lot more than others, most probably every other shift. This give them a higher probabilty of getting penalties. I also agree that there aggressive style of play contributes and size. What would be more interesting is a list of players and minutes for misconducts, boarding, high sticking, elbowing, head checking or other more violent type violations.

[polars]

Interesting facts that I picked up reviewing the MGHCA website. These numbers are as of 1/13/08 and only as accurate as the MGHCA information. I pulled the top penalty minute players, used seniors only, and players with at least 10 points. This is a complete listing of all senior players that fell into the above criteria. Many of these players have a rap against them as being cheap and dirty type players. However it shows you the kind of players that the D1 programs are looking for. Big, strong, physical, aggresive to the puck, and willing to take a beating as well as give it.

60 minutes Andrea Green (Eden Prairie) going to Boston College
56 minutes Jessica Laurinitis (Wayzata) will play D1 not sure where yet!
52 minutes Lauren Smith (Holy Angels) going to Ohio State
50 minutes Monique Weber (Elk River) going to UConn
50 minutes Jac Daggit (Park Cottage Grove) going to SCSU
45 minutes Carey Hoffman (Mankato East) college hockey?
38 minutes Mikaela Mahoney (Buffalo) very nice player good enough to play D3 and maybe walk-on D1
38 minutes Brittany DeBoer (Spr Lake Park) not familiar with
38 minutes Liz Orke (Wayzata) going to Minnesota State Mankato
34 minutes Ariel Mackley (Burnsville) going to Minnesota State Mankato
32 minutes Montana Vichorek (Cloquet) going to Bemidji
32 minutes Tayler Broekemier (Crookston) not familiar with
32 minutes Kelsey Abrahamson (Simley) not familiar with
30 minutes Kelly Seeler (Eden Prairie) going to U of Minnesota
30 minutes Meaghan Brigl (Eastview) great soccer player!
28 minutes Kelsey Ketcher (Eden Prairie) will play D1 not sure where yet!

A total of 16 player listed. 8 have already made public their commitments to play D1 and 2 more I'm extremely confident will be playing D1 next year. So if everything works out as I'm expecting at least 62.5% of these top penalty takers will be playing at the highest level next year.

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This trend bodes well for the bryne girl at TG.

[Valley Eggroll]

THAT IS my point. There are too many 8 and 9th graders on the ice that don't belong on the ice~That's why girls can sit in the box and still win over half of their games. If they are that penalized of a player, why are they not smart enough to adapt to the game. They KNOW they are going to get called for running over a weaker player. A great player will adapt to the game. A good player will sit in the box. As you can see, there are not enough great players to fill a D1 roster, therefore they also recruit good players.

[polars]

Yep, that is something certainly to be proud of. Being some of the top women goons in high school hockey. My guess is they are being sought after for something more than just penalty minutes. Of these "commitments", how many are scholarshipped?

Heres the bottom line, the reason they get penalties is because of their aggressive play. I'm willing to bet they get alot of high sticks, checking, and interference penalties, going for loose pucks and running picks for their teammates. Because of their aggressiveness and competitiveness, along with amazing skill, they are D-1 players or players that will have an extended hockey career.

60 minutes in a high school season is selfish. I bet there's at least one ten minute misconduct in there.

[polars]

Interesting facts that I picked up reviewing the MGHCA website. These numbers are as of 1/13/08 and only as accurate as the MGHCA information. I pulled the top penalty minute players, used seniors only, and players with at least 10 points. This is a complete listing of all senior players that fell into the above criteria. Many of these players have a rap against them as being cheap and dirty type players. However it shows you the kind of players that the D1 programs are looking for. Big, strong, physical, aggresive to the puck, and willing to take a beating as well as give it.

60 minutes Andrea Green (Eden Prairie) going to Boston College
56 minutes Jessica Laurinitis (Wayzata) will play D1 not sure where yet!
52 minutes Lauren Smith (Holy Angels) going to Ohio State
50 minutes Monique Weber (Elk River) going to UConn
50 minutes Jac Daggit (Park Cottage Grove) going to SCSU
45 minutes Carey Hoffman (Mankato East) college hockey?
38 minutes Mikaela Mahoney (Buffalo) very nice player good enough to play D3 and maybe walk-on D1
38 minutes Brittany DeBoer (Spr Lake Park) not familiar with
38 minutes Liz Orke (Wayzata) going to Minnesota State Mankato
34 minutes Ariel Mackley (Burnsville) going to Minnesota State Mankato
32 minutes Montana Vichorek (Cloquet) going to Bemidji
32 minutes Tayler Broekemier (Crookston) not familiar with
32 minutes Kelsey Abrahamson (Simley) not familiar with
30 minutes Kelly Seeler (Eden Prairie) going to U of Minnesota
30 minutes Meaghan Brigl (Eastview) great soccer player!
28 minutes Kelsey Ketcher (Eden Prairie) will play D1 not sure where yet!

A total of 16 player listed. 8 have already made public their commitments to play D1 and 2 more I'm extremely confident will be playing D1 next year. So if everything works out as I'm expecting at least 62.5% of these top penalty takers will be playing at the highest level next year.

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I saw Weber mouth off to the ref at the Schwans and get a ten late in the game. To her coaches credit he sent her to the dressing room before overtime started. Too many of these talented kids are selfish and think they can get away with anything. Most coaches don't have the depth to do anything about it.

[Valley Eggroll]

That's why teams that Roll4 lines don't have girls with 60 penalty minutes. Their coaches have the kahunas to sit girls that get carried away. It certainly helps to have depth.

[roll4lines]

That's why teams that Roll4 lines don't have girls with 60 penalty minutes. Their coaches have the kahunas to sit girls that get carried away. It certainly helps to have depth.

Any who rolls 4 may have coconuts but she/he doesn't have any brains. Everyone should show a little brain.

[twowayplay]

Give me an example of a team that rolls four lines

[winnings not 4 everyone]

There is a team in class A that has and plays 4 lines. It will give you something to do to figure out who it is.

[i play hockey]

i am willing to bet that over half of these penalties at the D-1 level...

1) wouldn't have been called

2) wouldn't have even happened (ex. the senior overpowering the 8th grader)

3) would have resulted in punishment by the coach

[winnings not 4 everyone]

Interesting facts that I picked up reviewing the MGHCA website. These numbers are as of 1/13/08 and only as accurate as the MGHCA information. I pulled the top penalty minute players, used seniors only, and players with at least 10 points. This is a complete listing of all senior players that fell into the above criteria. Many of these players have a rap against them as being cheap and dirty type players. However it shows you the kind of players that the D1 programs are looking for. Big, strong, physical, aggresive to the puck, and willing to take a beating as well as give it.


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This trend bodes well for the bryne girl at TG.

I think most of her penalties would still be called in D1. Oops, I forgot, this list is only for those with more than 10 points

[twowayplay]

Over half eh? Give me a break

[i play hockey]

Over half eh? Give me a break

I will settle for "a healthy number"


How many of these girls have multiple 10 minute penalties?

[BCGHockey]

Thanks to i play hockey and gopher9. I agree 100% that after watching many of these top penalty takers play and watching a lot of D1 hockey these players will be just fine once they get to the next level. Many of these players I'm sure have worked extremely hard during the off-season to get where they are as players in both skill and strength. Watching many gogher games over the past few years IMO these girls are all on the right path to being able to compete, have an impact, and stay healthy at the next level. As far as telling them they need to adapt to the game being called (there is some true to that) however you are also then holding back their development in the way they will need to play at the next level. Where everyone will be bigger, stronger, and can stay up on their skates when bumped! Valley Egghead seems strange that many of these (what you call good players) have signed with some pretty darn good programs.

[hockeyrube7]

Heres the bottom line, the reason they get penalties is because of their aggressive play. I'm willing to bet they get alot of high sticks, checking, and interference penalties, going for loose pucks and running picks for their teammates. Because of their aggressiveness and competitiveness, along with amazing skill, they are D-1 players or players that will have an extended hockey career.

HB, great comment! I hope you don't mind me adding that they are all most likely on the ice more then most others also, as they tend to be more skilled and aggressive.

[Valley Eggroll]

Hey Betty Crocker Girls Hockey, these 8 girls you mention represent a very small percentage of the 2007-2008 recruiting class. Maybe you didn't read my previous post entirely. There are not enough great players to fill D1 needs, therefore, good players also get a look. I have seen many talented girls look good on their respective teams. I have seen these same girls look very average when playing with a team of talented girls. They are lucky girls don't typically retaliate when these girls play cheap. The smarter, not necessarily better, player takes advantage of the situation that best benefits their team. Unfortunately, the powerplay percentage is not that great in girls hockey.

[BCGHockey]

Valley I'm impressed that you where able to figure out what BCGHockey stood for or was it a lucky guess? You need to stop snorting the sugar at the sugar plant in C-town.

[Valley Eggroll]

Every Betty Crocker recipe, requires sugar.