Ness/Gardiner

komada77 · Post by **komada77** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:46 pm

I'd say Ness is the more talented player, but Gardiner has more potential and will be a better pro player.

wingmaster · Post by **wingmaster** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:37 pm

boblee wrote:I have talked to many of the state's top players and they all say Aaron Ness. By the way, in this thread, leave Gleason out of it. That is not what is being asked.

really?, and who would the states top players be? other than gardiner and ness.

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:44 pm

wingmaster wrote:
boblee wrote:I have talked to many of the state's top players and they all say Aaron Ness. By the way, in this thread, leave Gleason out of it. That is not what is being asked.
really?, and who would the states top players be? other than gardiner and ness.

I have talked to multiple kids from Grand Rapids, Cloquet, Moorhead, International Falls, etc. I have never heard a serious answer for Gardiner, but being up north probably has something to do with that. A name I have heard on the forward side is Youso, but he is not involved in this conversation.

black sheep · Post by **black sheep** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:51 pm

Both great...the grass is green in both pastures.

I am not sure about Gardiner....but I am quite sure Ness has ESP, it is the only logical explanation why he can be places and see things before they happen.

wingmaster · Post by **wingmaster** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:18 pm

black sheep wrote:Both great...the grass is green in both pastures.

I am not sure about Gardiner....but I am quite sure Ness has ESP, it is the only logical explanation why he can be places and see things before they happen.

it could also be that he is on a class AA team playong a class A schedule. we have all watched a mite game.

hwkfan · Post by **hwkfan** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:01 pm

"I have talked to multiple kids from Grand Rapids, Cloquet, Moorhead, International Falls, etc"
well its a big suprise those towns said ness. as the hill-murrays and centennials down here and see what they say. plus, gardner just started playing d so these teams havent seen him at d, if at all.
but Cloquet did and he fired like 16 shots on them in a 51 minute game in their barn. while they hardly had a scoring chance on him. maybe he embarrased them?
Gardiner GAME WINNER
and if you asked cloquets big rival D. East who gardner skated circles around (I saw it)...what might they say?
Gardiner GAME WINNER
Easts cross town rival marshall played gardiner tough 2 nights later, but with a minute left...
Gardiner GAME WINNER
the kids you talked to is making your responses loaded...just like oliver does to the scoresheets in his junior gold tournament the rams hosted over xmas.

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:32 am

hwkfan wrote:"I have talked to multiple kids from Grand Rapids, Cloquet, Moorhead, International Falls, etc"
well its a big suprise those towns said ness. as the hill-murrays and centennials down here and see what they say. plus, gardner just started playing d so these teams havent seen him at d, if at all.
but Cloquet did and he fired like 16 shots on them in a 51 minute game in their barn. while they hardly had a scoring chance on him. maybe he embarrased them?
Gardiner GAME WINNER
and if you asked cloquets big rival D. East who gardner skated circles around (I saw it)...what might they say?
Gardiner GAME WINNER
Easts cross town rival marshall played gardiner tough 2 nights later, but with a minute left...
Gardiner GAME WINNER
the kids you talked to is making your responses loaded...just like oliver does to the scoresheets in his junior gold tournament the rams hosted over xmas.

Why don't you quote my entire line? Leave the part in there where I say that I suppose that is why they say Ness. Keep in mind Ness is a junior and he will be playing D1 hockey next year. To me, that is very impressive. Again, I will ask that you show the whole quote. Next time you leave the part in there where I mention that my results are likely skewed due to location. Thanks.

hockeydude42 · Post by **hockeydude42** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:28 am

parrish4president wrote:it is tough to tell at this point, they haven't played each other (not positive on that someone feel free to correct me).

They played each other in a scrimmage in Moorehead a week after tryouts. Minnetonka won 1-0. I wasn't there but I heard about it, so I can't tell you how Gardiner and Ness looked on the same ice.

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:37 am

boblee wrote:Why don't you quote my entire line? Leave the part in there where I say that I suppose that is why they say Ness. Keep in mind Ness is a junior and he will be playing D1 hockey next year. To me, that is very impressive. Again, I will ask that you show the whole quote. Next time you leave the part in there where I mention that my results are likely skewed due to location. Thanks.

Aaron Ness..................5-18-90....Junior
Jake Gardiner..............7-04-90....Senior

Jake is six weeks YOUNGER and appears that he could be a junior also. Most kids Aaron's age are seniors, but apparnetly in Roseau, they seem to hold kids back a year when their born in the spring (from the lips of a Roseau resident). Makes the team a little older just like MN Hockey players vs. USA Hockay players.

The "grade" they are in is meaningless, its their birth date that matters more. Buffalo has a kid with a 90 birth date that is a sophmore.

Joe Fraser....................5-18-90....SENIOR

hwkfan · Post by **hwkfan** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:08 am

boblee, i just said what a big suprise you found those results.
RLStars. those birthdays actually make aaron 6 weeks older...not gardiner. looks to me like ness would have been an age group in front of gardiner growing up, based on age and not who moved up when. those birthdays indicate ness had to play hs as a ninth grader but gardiner could have been a bantam in 10th? any truth to this?

HockeyFan1 · Post by **HockeyFan1** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:41 am

I haven't seen Gardiner play, and just like most other times, the people who haven't seen Ness play (much) are saying he's not as good as Gardiner.

If and when you get a chance to see both play, then maybe you can make a fair comparison! To say one is not as good as the other, and to use the schedule as your comparison is absurd.

Every time Ness is on the ice, exciting things happen! Every game you can expect a handful of spectacular plays.

nd mn hockey fan · Post by **nd mn hockey fan** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:46 am

I have watched both but Gardiner is the better defenseman Ness is more of an Offence player.

HockeyFan1 · Post by **HockeyFan1** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:54 am

nd mn hockey fan wrote:I have watched both but Gardiner is the better defenseman Ness is more of an Offence player.

Ness is definitely a talented "offensive" defenseman........but also is a very good "defensive" defenseman. Moorhead: Jordy Christian - shut him down in the section championship last year. Grand Rapids: Pat White - shut him down in the state championship.

If you've watched Ness throughout his years of hockey, you'd be able to appreciate his style even more.

hwkfan · Post by **hwkfan** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:18 pm

looking more at roseaus schedule....and going off ftp.com's latest ranking.
the rams have played one top 20 team so far. A subpar jefferson team that tied wayzata the same week.
Ness' that game: one 2nd assist and a -2 rating. its not his fault his team plays plays such poor comp. a program so rich in tradition and such a talented group of players. it's not like they should have a tough time building a competitive schedule. maybe all the athletic booster money in roseau is going to the wrestling team and boys hockey can't afford the travel expenses.

61ache · Post by **61ache** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:45 pm

hwkfan wrote:looking more at roseaus schedule....and going off ftp.com's latest ranking.
the rams have played one top 20 team so far. A subpar jefferson team that tied wayzata the same week.
Ness' that game: one 2nd assist and a -2 rating. its not his fault his team plays plays such poor comp. a program so rich in tradition and such a talented group of players. it's not like they should have a tough time building a competitive schedule. maybe all the athletic booster money in roseau is going to the wrestling team and boys hockey can't afford the travel expenses.

Cause everyone knows the only good teams that are worth playing are in the suburbs. Can you explain to me how Roseau's schedule is any lighter then it was last year when Roseau came down and beat the pants off of everyteam it faced meanwhile all these "paper tiger" ranked teams went home?

hwkfan · Post by **hwkfan** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:53 pm

did they play the farmington "paper tigers" last year? but the more importand ? did you pay $5 to watch that game?
how about that winnipeg junior gold team you guys humiliated over xmas? is there a rivalry building there?

HockeyFan1 · Post by **HockeyFan1** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:55 pm

hwkfan wrote:looking more at roseaus schedule....and going off ftp.com's latest ranking.
the rams have played one top 20 team so far. A subpar jefferson team that tied wayzata the same week.
Ness' that game: one 2nd assist and a -2 rating. its not his fault his team plays plays such poor comp. a program so rich in tradition and such a talented group of players. it's not like they should have a tough time building a competitive schedule. maybe all the athletic booster money in roseau is going to the wrestling team and boys hockey can't afford the travel expenses.

I'll still take Ness any day - have you seen him play in person?

RoseauHockeyFan · Post by **RoseauHockeyFan** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:25 pm

Check out this clip on youtube of some of the highlights of Roseau vs Warroad. The focus is on Ness and you'll see he's extremely gifted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQcAO2DuQr8

61ache · Post by **61ache** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:55 pm

hwkfan wrote:did they play the farmington "paper tigers" last year? but the more importand ? did you pay $5 to watch that game?
how about that winnipeg junior gold team you guys humiliated over xmas? is there a rivalry building there?

Yep, played Farmington last year and won 5-0, along with Lake of the Woods 7-1 both (just like this year) during their Holiday Classic which they've had every year since Jesus was a baby--I'm sure they'd be open to any team coming to the tournament. Last year EGF came instead of Winnipeg. But to make last year's schedule easier they played Greenway for a 10-0 final. Waaay easier then Hill-Murray's schedule. Must be why Hill-Murray was eliminated in the consultation bracket last year, wore themselves out with their impressive suburb schedule.

BERG RENOLZ · Post by **BERG RENOLZ** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:19 pm

Ness sucks because he played against Farmington and Lake of the Woods this year!

Do you realize how dumb that is? You're from the metro area so you have a bone to pick with a northern boy who's getting some attention. If that's the only thing you can come up with to hold against Ness, he's pretty frickin' good! I've never seen your Edina buddy play, i'm sure he's very good,but you're arguing that he's a better player because of the schedule he plays. You're reaching for something that isn't there. Ness is the best high school player i've seen in a long time regardless of birth date or schedule. He's not god, just his son!

hwkfan · Post by **hwkfan** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:40 pm

"its not his fault his team plays plays such poor comp" is what i said so i wasnt saying he sucks because of who he plays. nor did i ever say he sucks. i just think all these superhuman things he has been doing against JV caliber hockey teams maybe are a result of roseaus scheduling. that along with padding the points is the reason he has twice as many points as gardiner. ness is very good. i was just highlighting that in the jefferson game he was a -2 and offensively added a 2nd assist. he is human.
if farmington played in championship and lost 11-0....who the hell played in the toilet bowl? nevermind. i would rather not know.

HockeyFan1 · Post by **HockeyFan1** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:53 pm

Forget the stats -

Bottom line, regardless of who the Rams play, he is something special to watch, period! Offensively, defensively....all of the above.

He's played on all sorts of teams other than the Rams, and has stood out on every team.

I'm sure Gardiner is a good player, but as I said before - I haven't seen the kid play, so how fair would it be for me to say he's not as good of a player as you claim?

Come up "north" a few games, see what you think of Ness.....I guarantee you'll be impressed.

2nd string · Post by **2nd string** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:06 pm

hwkfan wrote:"its not his fault his team plays plays such poor comp" is what i said so i wasnt saying he sucks because of who he plays. nor did i ever say he sucks. i just think all these superhuman things he has been doing against JV caliber hockey teams maybe are a result of roseaus scheduling. that along with padding the points is the reason he has twice as many points as gardiner. ness is very good. i was just highlighting that in the jefferson game he was a -2 and offensively added a 2nd assist. he is human.
if farmington played in championship and lost 11-0....who the hell played in the toilet bowl? nevermind. i would rather not know.

did you happen to watch the warroad game on fsn watch the utube video, come and see him play, yes he played a couple of jv type teams but I am sure the other guy has played some lesser teams too. Watch him play and then make your comments, Ness played very well in state last year and against Bloomington and GFRR this year.

Indians forever · Post by **Indians forever** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:13 pm

I've seen Ness play and I haven't watched Gardiner Play yet. So, with that said I will have to go with Ness on this one.

hwkfan · Post by **hwkfan** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:36 pm

nope. didn't see the roseau/warroad game. i figured it would be a 10-0 blowout so i didnt schedule my night around it.
looking at warroads scores against some metro teams show they:
lost to mound 3-1
squeeked by orono 3-2 in ot
lost to osseo 3-1 at home
how good are they anyway? i see they are rolling over northern teams 6-0 and 6-2 every other night and must be ranked first in North Dakota after some impressive wins over grafton and fargo north.

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