Suburban East Conference

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:10 am

I assumed the seedings were decided by coaches and ADs from the section at the seeding meeting--I know for sure it's done that way in most sports. Not many HS sports have computer rankings.
That being said, I'd be surprised if HM didn't get the 3rd seed.

Puck Bag · Post by **Puck Bag** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:29 pm

I think it's just the coaches. Haven't heard about the AD's involved. I guess it can get to be quite a battle when they sit down and hash this stuff out.

talkhockey · Post by **talkhockey** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:16 pm

[quote="Bensonmum"]I assumed the seedings were decided by coaches and ADs from the section at the seeding meeting--I know for sure it's done that way in most sports. Not many HS sports have computer rankings.
That being said, I'd be surprised if HM didn't get the 3rd seed.[/quote]
Surprised? What has Hill done to deserve the 3rd seed over WBL?

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:32 pm

talkhockey wrote:Surprised? What has Hill done to deserve the 3rd seed over WBL?

Well, right now HM does have a slightly better record and higher winning % over a reasonably challenging schedule...FWIW. Who knows, but as it presently stands, a #3 seed for HM wouldn't be nonsensical IMO.

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:19 pm

talkhockey wrote:
Bensonmum wrote:I assumed the seedings were decided by coaches and ADs from the section at the seeding meeting--I know for sure it's done that way in most sports. Not many HS sports have computer rankings.
That being said, I'd be surprised if HM didn't get the 3rd seed.
Surprised? What has Hill done to deserve the 3rd seed over WBL?

all the coaches from the section will sit down together and tell everyone why their team deserves a high spot or low spot. Then they (the coaches) all rank every team except their own. So, if there is 9 teams in the section, they need to rank out 8 spot as to who they feel deserves what place or seeding in the section...except their own team, of course. Then they tabulate the votes and everyone gets seeded according to votes.

talkhockey · Post by **talkhockey** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:35 pm

[quote="brookyone"][quote="talkhockey"]Surprised? What has Hill done to deserve the 3rd seed over WBL?[/quote]
Well, right now HM does have a slightly better record and higher winning % over a reasonably challenging schedule...FWIW. Who knows, but as it presently stands, a #3 seed for HM wouldn't be nonsensical IMO.[/quote]

HM’s schedule for the most part has been extremely weak (thus the nice record), while WBL’s could be argued as one of the toughest in the state. I’m not saying WBL should automatically get it but you seem pretty confident. If we compare contrast: Of the teams that each has played that have been ranked this year (AA)
Hill 3-4-1 (.428 winning %), WB 7-5-3 (.583)…..Like opponents
Hill 2-2-0, WB 2-2-0…..Top Five Teams
Hill 0-3 (.000), WB 1-3-1 (.333)
Head to Head / Anyone who witnessed that game would conclude nothing from it. It was the second game for WBL and the First for Hill. White Bear was controlling play (up 4-2) when Hill became the benefactor of a numerous ….should we say questionable calls…with the end result being 5 straight pp goals. Simply it was a farce and in my opinion should not be given much weight in the selection process. IMO

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:12 pm

White Bear was controlling play (up 4-2) when Hill became the benefactor of a numerous ….should we say questionable calls…with the end result being 5 straight pp goals. Simply it was a farce and in my opinion should not be given much weight in the selection process. IMO[/quote]

you're not still bitter by this by any means are you?

Sounds like WBL needed more work on their kill!

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brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:18 pm

talkhockey wrote:HM’s schedule for the most part has been extremely weak (thus the nice record), while WBL’s could be argued as one of the toughest in the state. I’m not saying WBL should automatically get it but you seem pretty confident. If we compare contrast: Of the teams that each has played that have been ranked this year (AA)
Hill 3-4-1 (.428 winning %), WB 7-5-3 (.583)…..Like opponents
Hill 2-2-0, WB 2-2-0…..Top Five Teams
Hill 0-3 (.000), WB 1-3-1 (.333)
Head to Head / Anyone who witnessed that game would conclude nothing from it. It was the second game for WBL and the First for Hill. White Bear was controlling play (up 4-2) when Hill became the benefactor of a numerous ….should we say questionable calls…with the end result being 5 straight pp goals. Simply it was a farce and in my opinion should not be given much weight in the selection process. IMO

http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Team.m ... /Minnesota

Extremely weak? I'd say we have a serious difference of opinion there.

I seem pretty confident huh? I said for HM to get a #3 seed is by no means a nonsensical point of view at this point. That's all. You seem to think it's completely implausible. I disagree. It isn't by any means. You don't strike me as being unbiased on the matter.

You also seem to conclude quite alot from that game no one would conclude anything from. Concluding that HM won only because of officiating. I hope you don't mind if I don't just take your word for that. I don't believe they take fans officiating complaints into consideration when seeding a section tournament.

We'll see. WBL, HM as the #3 seed...I don't care about it much to be completely honest. It's fine with me if WBL get's a #3 seed.

talkhockey · Post by **talkhockey** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:39 pm

[quote="Hansonbrother"]White Bear was controlling play (up 4-2) when Hill became the benefactor of a numerous ….should we say questionable calls…with the end result being 5 straight pp goals. Simply it was a farce and in my opinion should not be given much weight in the selection process. IMO[/quote]

you're not still bitter by this by any means are you? :lol: :P :P
Sounds like WBL needed more work on their kill! :-({|= [/quote][/quote]

Bitter…Bitter…what MAKES YOU THINK I’M BITTER? Sorry, I really thought the therapy was working. :lol:

And yes they have gotten much better, thank you. Experience will do that for you, lots and lots of experience.

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:34 pm

Here's the reason I'd be surprised:
We all probably agree that whoever wins the Roseville-Stillwater game on Feb 2 will be the #1 seed, and the loser #2. They'll also be 1 and 2 in the SubEast. HM is undefeated in the ClassicSub, and even though conference position technically is irrelevant, I'd think it'd be awful tough for the coaches to agree to place the 3rd place team from SubEast ahead of the undefeated 1st place team from the ClassicSub when that team has a better record by 2-3 games and has beaten that 3rd place team in a non-conference game.
Being a Roseville fan, I'd personally rather face HM right now since IMO WBL is the hottest team in the section.

And by the way talkhockey, yes indeed, you seem bitter!

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:18 pm

Being a Roseville fan, I'd personally rather face HM right now since IMO WBL is the hottest team in the section.

And by the way talkhockey, yes indeed, you seem bitter!

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Benson, I wasn't at the WBL-Roseville game, but I spoke to one of the Roseville coaches after they tied WBL, and he said that Roseville played about as bad as they've played and still managed to outshoot WBL 46-16. Now, for a 2-2 tie, I'd say most of this game must have been played in one end and one of the goalies must have played pretty well. Based on this, I wouldn't think Roseville is too concerned about seeding. I think they'd be concerned about trying to get past Stillwater...twice

hockeywild7 · Post by **hockeywild7** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:12 am

From what I understand the seedings will be in before Stillwater and Roseville play so that game won't affect the seedings. Also the coaches don't get together and seed the section it is done by mail.

Melvin44 · Post by **Melvin44** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:54 pm

Hansonbro,

What Roseville coach?? Every period was close other than the second when WBL had 5 penalties including a 5-3. RV is the better team but not by much. Shots on goal can be all in what the scorekeeper wants to believe he/she sees. Let's just say but not say that shots on goal can be very deceiving!

Did the Roseville coach also mention that WBL had 2 breakaways and some great chances to win in both the 3rd period and overtime? Scoring chances were even in 1, 3 and overtime, in my opinion.

WBL's problem is scoring goals. They can beat a Stillwater or Roseville, but can also lose to a MV.

Can WBL beat Roseville? Yes.

Let's hope they meet again and find out.

As for whether WBL or Hill deserves to be #3, I say WBL, if they can win 2 of the next 3. And by the way, HM is actually WBL Southeast, as they start 5 WBL girls including their top scorer. WBL doesn't care what seed they're given as you have to beat the best to be the best!

Bitter? NO; Let girls go where they want to play, and I'll cheer for them at Hill or ?? except when they play WBL.

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:35 pm

Melvin,

Like I said, I wasn't at the game, but 46 to 16 paints a pretty good picture to me. And I know how Lenz can play. I just wish she'd play the same way against Roseville that she plays against Moundsview or other teams that she doesn't get up for.

Also, if the coach tells me his team played flat, I usually believe him. For instance, they beat P.C.G. last night only 3-1 and he said that Roseville played pretty well. Things are definately getting tougher in the Suburban East!

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:44 pm

If R'ville takes care of business vs. CDH...then as anticipated, it's the Raiders & Ponies for all the (SEC) marbles.

Then on to what should be some very intense 4AA play.

GO PONIES!

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:42 pm

http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/showbrackets.asp?tournid=257

Looks like brackets are up for 4AA with games, dates, times and locations. There is an error with Blades listed twice? I think this is it:

#1 Roseville vs. winner of #9 Tartan/ #8 St. Paul Blades
#4 WBL vs. #6 Cretin
#2 Stillwater vs. #7 MLPS Novas
#3 Hill Murray vs. #6 N. St. Paul

Stillh2ofan · Post by **Stillh2ofan** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:15 am

Nice Article.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/preps/14621482.html

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:43 pm

Stillh2ofan wrote:Nice Article.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/preps/14621482.html

Indeed...the stage is now set for the thrilla at the SCVRC...

GO PONIES!

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:11 pm

Coach Scheid was taking serious notes at the Roseville Civic Arena last night. It looks like both teams are healthy and at the top of their games, which is nice.

titleist · Post by **titleist** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:30 pm

I'm sure he didn't see anything he hasn't seen before. Roseville is pretty much the same from game to game.

goalzilla · Post by **goalzilla** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:44 pm

StillH20 and Roseville are in 2nd period tied at 1-1. Shots 18-8 roseville

goalzilla · Post by **goalzilla** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:48 pm

beginning of 3rd, roseville 3 StillH20 1

goalzilla · Post by **goalzilla** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:04 pm

Final Roseville 5 StillH20 3

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:19 pm

SEC is kickin' butt right now (see MV over Irondale in 5AA and Hastings over Eastview in 3AA). Classic battle in 4AA CDH vs WBL and at least a couple more to come.