Bye Bye Johan...Mets and Twins agree to deal

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:50 am

State Champ 97 wrote:
Govs93 wrote:
packerboy wrote: Not too many teams have won the World Series building form the ground up lately. In fact, the Twins didnt win it that way in 1991.

I like the idea of developing young players too but we are in an era where free agent signings are key to success.

The Twins dont sign free agents. The Twins havent been to a World Series in 17 years. I think there is a conection.

Who was the Rockies' big acquisition?
SP Ramon Ortiz

Good point. I stand corrected.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:02 am

Govs asked;
Who was the Rockies' big acquisition?

I dont remeber them winning the World Championship. I thought it was some other team.

Lets see now.....who was that and were some of their key players free agents?

Boy, you got me there.

AngusYoung · Post by **AngusYoung** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:10 am

The Twins should fire Bill Smith immediately and hire the Recruiting Director from Cretin Derham Hall who assembled the 2006 State Championship Team. Now there was a guy/gal who made chicken salad from what appeared to be chicken sh$t. A few key acquisitions prior to the school year sealed the deal for the Raiders. You didn't see them settle for "prospects".

AY

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:14 am

AngusYoung wrote:The Twins should fire Bill Smith immediately and hire the Recruiting Director from Cretin Derham Hall who assembled the 2006 State Championship Team. Now there was a guy/gal who made chicken salad from what appeared to be chicken sh$t. A few key acquisitions prior to the school year sealed the deal for the Raiders. You didn't see them settle for "prospects".

AY

But they had more money to spend.

You cant compare a small maket MLB team to a Catholic High School. It isnt fair to the Twins nor the Pohlad family.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:14 am

packerboy wrote:The Twins dont sign free agents. The Twins havent been to a World Series in 17 years. I think there is a conection.

No, the Rockies didn't win the World Series, PB, but according to your post, I didn't know that's the criteria we were debating. The Rockies don't sign free agents either, but they've been to a World Series. Is it the ideal way to get there? Probably not, but it can be done - and when it happens it may continue. There just has to come a point where you ride with the horses you've got, and you and I will agree that if you're only going to develop players on a 4 or 5 year cycle, only to let them leave, it's not effective. The Rockies did it the right way.

The Twins have to turn these guys into quality major leaguers, lock them up to deals before they get priced out of their range and run with it. If they can start doing that (and there are finally some signs they may try it with Morneau and Cuddyer being locked up), they can make a prolonged run. Ideally, I think this is a better way to go than signing a mid-range free agent for a couple of years for a short term spark (I know it was a trade, but Shannon Stewart is a good example). No matter what happens, I don't see the Twins being players in the "A List" free agent market as long as the Pohlads own them.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:57 pm

[quote="packerboy"[/quote]

Not too many teams have won the World Series building form the ground up lately. In fact, the Twins didnt win it that way in 1991.

I like the idea of developing young players too but we are in an era where free agent signings are key to success. [/quote]

Govs, No speed reading allowed.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:00 pm

packerboy wrote:Govs, No speed reading allowed.

Responding to a different quote of your's there, PB. I suggest you keep an eye on the speed reading.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:35 pm

Govs93 wrote:
packerboy wrote:Govs, No speed reading allowed.
Responding to a different quote of your's there, PB. I suggest you keep an eye on the speed reading.

Thats fine. Keep drinking the Kool Aid that the Twins hand out and 17 years form now we will be having the same discussion.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:37 pm

packerboy wrote:
Govs93 wrote:
packerboy wrote:Govs, No speed reading allowed.
Responding to a different quote of your's there, PB. I suggest you keep an eye on the speed reading.
Thats fine. Keep drinking the Kool Aid that the Twins hand out and 17 years form now we will be having the same discussion.

Govs93 wrote: There just has to come a point where you ride with the horses you've got, and you and I will agree that if you're only going to develop players on a 4 or 5 year cycle, only to let them leave, it's not effective.

Still speed reading?

I don't think that I've necessarily been disagreeing with you at any point here, PB. Fundimentally, you and I are saying the same thing - where we differ is that you seem to want them to bring in high-buck free agents, and I don't necessarily think that will help over the long term.

But I think we agree that the way the "business model" has been executed over the last 6 or 7 years, isn't really what anybody's looking for either.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:24 pm

Govs wrote:I don't think that I've necessarily been disagreeing with you at any point here, PB. Fundimentally, you and I are saying the same thing

Well,..... what fun is that?

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:07 pm

Mr. McTabish wrote:To confirm my previous statements, a search on wikipedia reveals he is the vice president of Pohlad Companies, which owns the popular radio station Beat96, Marquette Financial Companies, JB Hudson's Jewelers, he "conrols interest" in Pepsi America, which apparently is the 2nd largest bottling group in the U.S., as well as a long list of other companies. Forbes ranks him as the 107th richest person in the United States, a net worth of 2.6 billion dollars. His defense against those who critisize him for not spending enough on the Minnesota Twins, is his willingness to continue to operate the team while losing millions each year. In 2005 he broke even because of revenue sharing.

If I were to further express my personal opinion of Carl Pohlad at this point, I would be banned from the board, if I am not already.

Mr. McTabish, you have shown why I am a Yankees fan right there. George Steinbrenner has less money than Mr. Pohlad, but he somehow spends more $. I realize that his team brings in more money, but I back the school that says you have to spend $ to make $. He spends some money, his team wins and he makes money and puts some of it back into the team. Hard to argue with results, whether it is pulling for the dealer or not. My being a fan of them is beyond just putting the money back into the team, but it is a part of it. Somebody knows what they are doing.