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GOPHERFAN119 wrote:Do you think the Edina community (hockey assocation, parents, ex players, students, fans etc) would put up with the lack of success like Wayzata has had in recent years ? It is my opinion they would request or seek change.

Their youth teams are ranked very high too in squirts, pee wee's and bantams. If you look at the Lets Play Hockey rankings, Wayzata and Edina's teams are very close to each other in the rankings.
Look back on this forum, three or four years ago, and the Edina coach was all but being run out of town, because they couldn't consistently find their way out of Section 6. About that time Wayzata was making its first appearance in the State Tournament in 50 years. Now the things have swung the other way. Not sure if there is a problem at Wayzata, or if it's being reviewed, but I will say the program has developed a number of elite athletes over the years. I think the coach should also get credit for that. 8)
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WayOutWest wrote:
HOFam'r wrote: Shocked WOW that you can't grasp the logic. Then the most talented at each age level leave to spend some more cash at a private...With those kids gone it leaves wayzata with average talent and alot of it...
The point is that Wayzata is at the top youth level because they have a pleathera of depth...their top players (scorers) leave and the High School is left with a lot of kids with the same type of ability.

Sure WOW...blame the coach...must be his fault because little WOW junior won the Squirt League...well WOW JR probably had a kid or two who carried the team whose no longer there....and now it must the coaches fault little WOW JR isn't winning....WOW!
Your assumptions are numerous and creative, Ho. :roll:
Show me some proof that Wayzata loses more talent than any other program, on a regular basis. (Hint: Don't bother. It isn't there.)

You also seem to believe that there is this THIN layer of talent in any given program, which if removed, can result in the ruin of said program. That's more than a bit ludicrous, in a program the size of Wayzata's. Even if it were, who would be responsible for not developing talent depth, in such a large program? The kids???? The parents??? :roll:

The facts are, there is plenty of depth in the Wayzata program. It just isn't revealed at the high school varsity level, for some reason. That only points to one thing, Ho. (Let me know if you cannot connect the dots on your own.)
Wasn't Coach Davis at Buffalo before Wayzata? Maybe some lingering loyalty at play here. Actually, the hockey community could use a little more loyalty...but HO may be riding this ship to the bottom.
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Post by Can't Never Tried »

I read this whole thing, and one thing I know for sure is that if anyone is expecting a HS coach to develop the players talent, they are mistaken.
Yes, it is up to the HS level player to prepare himself, both mentally and physically, with guidance and direction of the coaching staff to fine tune it.

I'm sure the coaches are (or should be) selecting the players that already have the talent to execute the systems he wants to use.
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Can't Never Tried wrote:I read this whole thing, and one thing I know for sure is that if anyone is expecting a HS coach to develop the players talent, they are mistaken.
Are you serious? :shock:
Where did you imagine development responsibilities to have ceased? Bantams? Obviously, there is no development going on in juniors and college then, as well, right? :roll:

I would imagine that coaches, nearly to a man, would disagree with you. If you want your program to improve, if not merely keep pace, you HAVE to be concerned with player development.

It appears you are of the "give the coach a free pass" variety, eh? Sweet deal, if you can get it. "Hey, what could he do? He had limited talent coming in?" That sounds weak, doesn't it? And, your stance gives NO credit to H.S. coaches who DO work on player development...........and succeed. [-X
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WayOutWest wrote:
Can't Never Tried wrote:I read this whole thing, and one thing I know for sure is that if anyone is expecting a HS coach to develop the players talent, they are mistaken.
Are you serious? :shock:
Where did you imagine development responsibilities to have ceased? Bantams? Obviously, there is no development going on in juniors and college then, as well, right? :roll:

I would imagine that coaches, nearly to a man, would disagree with you. If you want your program to improve, if not merely keep pace, you HAVE to be concerned with player development.

It appears you are of the "give the coach a free pass" variety, eh? Sweet deal, if you can get it. "Hey, what could he do? He had limited talent coming in?" That sounds weak, doesn't it? And, your stance gives NO credit to H.S. coaches who DO work on player development...........and succeed. [-X
What I'm saying is that it's up to the individual, are the coaches doing their sprints too? reading their system book to them? Making their meals?
Stick handling in the garage and shooting pucks for them?

Take me into a little detail on your idea of the coaches responsibility of talent development here.
Since your such an expert tell us how you would do it! instead of claiming it's not done!

So we should be able to send untrained players or all B players and the rest is up to the coach? C'mon!
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The coaching in the youth is very good, but i talk to some of the players that have left wayzata and still play for them. They say the head varsity coaches are not to smart :?
It also doesn't help that a a lot of their talented players leave for other schools after their youth career.
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stmartin123 wrote:The coaching in the youth is very good, but i talk to some of the players that have left wayzata and still play for them. They say the head varsity coaches are not to smart :?
It also doesn't help that a a lot of their talented players leave for other schools after their youth career.

That is not rue the varsity coaches are very smart. They have had a rough season mainly because they cant recruit like private schools.
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JV State Champs wrote:
stmartin123 wrote:The coaching in the youth is very good, but i talk to some of the players that have left wayzata and still play for them. They say the head varsity coaches are not to smart :?
It also doesn't help that a a lot of their talented players leave for other schools after their youth career.

That is not rue the varsity coaches are very smart. They have had a rough season mainly because they cant recruit like private schools.
Hey learn how to spell. RUE??? And idiot, private schools do not recruit, they are merely blessed with the holy spirit. Thus giving them extremely talented players.

Only catholic schools are blessed. All of the non-catholic schools are just lucky.
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Puckguy19 wrote:Look back on this forum, three or four years ago, and the Edina coach was all but being run out of town, because they couldn't consistently find their way out of Section 6. About that time Wayzata was making its first appearance in the State Tournament in 50 years. Now the things have swung the other way. Not sure if there is a problem at Wayzata, or if it's being reviewed, but I will say the program has developed a number of elite athletes over the years. I think the coach should also get credit for that. 8)
How dare you interject decorum and logic into this topic discussion!!
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Post by Puckguy19 »

Slap Shot wrote:
Puckguy19 wrote:Look back on this forum, three or four years ago, and the Edina coach was all but being run out of town, because they couldn't consistently find their way out of Section 6. About that time Wayzata was making its first appearance in the State Tournament in 50 years. Now the things have swung the other way. Not sure if there is a problem at Wayzata, or if it's being reviewed, but I will say the program has developed a number of elite athletes over the years. I think the coach should also get credit for that. 8)
How dare you interject decorum and logic into this topic discussion!!
My Bad. 8)
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WayOutWest wrote:
HOFam'r wrote: Shocked WOW that you can't grasp the logic. Then the most talented at each age level leave to spend some more cash at a private...With those kids gone it leaves wayzata with average talent and alot of it...
The point is that Wayzata is at the top youth level because they have a pleathera of depth...their top players (scorers) leave and the High School is left with a lot of kids with the same type of ability.

Sure WOW...blame the coach...must be his fault because little WOW junior won the Squirt League...well WOW JR probably had a kid or two who carried the team whose no longer there....and now it must the coaches fault little WOW JR isn't winning....WOW!
Your assumptions are numerous and creative, Ho. :roll:
Show me some proof that Wayzata loses more talent than any other program, on a regular basis. (Hint: Don't bother. It isn't there.)

You also seem to believe that there is this THIN layer of talent in any given program, which if removed, can result in the ruin of said program. That's more than a bit ludicrous, in a program the size of Wayzata's. Even if it were, who would be responsible for not developing talent depth, in such a large program? The kids???? The parents??? :roll:

The facts are, there is plenty of depth in the Wayzata program. It just isn't revealed at the high school varsity level, for some reason. That only points to one thing, Ho. (Let me know if you cannot connect the dots on your own.)
WOW...First, I am trying to explain to you that if every program lost their top three players they would be in trouble. Plus, Wayzata plays one of the toughest schedules in the State at the HS Level. Without Elite players Willard Ikola would not win with that schedule.

While Wayzata's program has left them with a plethera of somewhat talented Hockey Players over the past couple seasons, they certainly have not had a Aaron Ness playing for them lately...Take Ness and Landman off Roseau and you have Wayzata.

Additionally, your blaming of the coach comes with little merit other than to say he has not won in the last couple years. What is it about his coaching that should change? Do you not like his systems? What is the reason he should be replaced? Your argument consists of a whole lot of nothing.

I see a Wayzata team with some very enthusiastic kids that play a very difficult schedule. I see a Wayzata team full of decent young men, who seem to play the game to the best of their ability. I don't see alot of cheap in Wayzata kids, I do see alot of overly passionate, and highly demanding parents...However, I have never seen a CD coached team that didn't look like they were having fun. Plus, the guy cut his own kid...goes to show yah that he is more than likely a fair minded person as well. Being Fair and open minded is something I am almost positive WOW struggles with.
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Post by Can't Never Tried »

HOFam'r wrote:I do see alot of overly passionate, and highly demanding parents...
You may have something here HOF .
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Post by hockeyxprt1 »

HOFam'r wrote:
WOW...First, I am trying to explain to you that if every program lost their top three players they would be in trouble.
Who are the top three players Wayzata lost over the past few years? They are in the same class as Ness? I would like to see that list.
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Post by HOFam'r »

hockeyxprt1 wrote:
HOFam'r wrote:
WOW...First, I am trying to explain to you that if every program lost their top three players they would be in trouble.
Who are the top three players Wayzata lost over the past few years? They are in the same class as Ness? I would like to see that list.
HXPRT: let me get out my crayons...I didn't say Wayzata lost 3 kids comparable to Ness, said if Roseau lost Ness and Landman their team would be no better than Wayzata...no matter if Bobby Orr coached them...Davis does well with the talent he has and the kids who play for him are for the most part respectable and decent young men that play hockey the right way...my opinion..
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HOFam'r wrote:...my opinion..
Nobody listens to O-fer-fame's opinion... :lol:
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Post by hockeyxprt1 »

HOFam'r wrote:
hockeyxprt1 wrote:
HOFam'r wrote:
WOW...First, I am trying to explain to you that if every program lost their top three players they would be in trouble.
Who are the top three players Wayzata lost over the past few years? They are in the same class as Ness? I would like to see that list.
HXPRT: let me get out my crayons...I didn't say Wayzata lost 3 kids comparable to Ness, said if Roseau lost Ness and Landman their team would be no better than Wayzata...no matter if Bobby Orr coached them...Davis does well with the talent he has and the kids who play for him are for the most part respectable and decent young men that play hockey the right way...my opinion..
Loved the crayons reference!! Good stuff.

HOF, happen to catch the Schwan Cup matchup between Wayzata and Breck? The coaching decisions at the end of that game blew my socks off. Par for the course from Davis.
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Post by HOFam'r »

hockeyxprt1 wrote:
HOFam'r wrote:
hockeyxprt1 wrote: Who are the top three players Wayzata lost over the past few years? They are in the same class as Ness? I would like to see that list.
HXPRT: let me get out my crayons...I didn't say Wayzata lost 3 kids comparable to Ness, said if Roseau lost Ness and Landman their team would be no better than Wayzata...no matter if Bobby Orr coached them...Davis does well with the talent he has and the kids who play for him are for the most part respectable and decent young men that play hockey the right way...my opinion..
Loved the crayons reference!! Good stuff.

HOF, happen to catch the Schwan Cup matchup between Wayzata and Breck? The coaching decisions at the end of that game blew my socks off. Par for the course from Davis.
No...I follow the Buffalo Bison on a regular basis...I am always willing to listen to someone distressed...maybe you have a point and maybe you don't...however, none of us will be able weigh in until you actually tell us what he did??
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