Albert Lea @ Mankato West PART II

[gruntcall]

suprised no one has mentioned the "phantom" whistle on a rebound that west put in that would and should have made it 3-2 in the 3rd period. have never seen a ref blow a call that bad ever. glad it didn't change the out come of the game.
the CFB in the 3rd was a bad no call, can't argue that at all. there were more than just the one missed however and i think it was pretty even. agreed that #8 was one of the stars of the game, he was making some sick moves and had west's D confused many times. also thought #6 for west had a good game and #11 for west and #7 for AL. both goalies were awesome!

[fubar-errr-what]

The refs explanation on the checking from behind was the AL kid #18 did a 360 and fell head first into the boards.

[puckluvr]

The refs explanation on the checking from behind was the AL kid #18 did a 360 and fell head first into the boards.

Why not have the gonads to admit he blew the call?! Because then he would have to explain all the other missed calls both ways! He was the worst I have seen all year!

MW deserves a heck a lot of credit, they weathered Albert Lea for two periods then won it in the third and OT. Great all around game by both teams.

[gruntcall]

The refs explanation on the checking from behind was the AL kid #18 did a 360 and fell head first into the boards.

Why not have the gonads to admit he blew the call?! Because then he would have to explain all the other missed calls both ways! He was the worst I have seen all year!

MW deserves a heck a lot of credit, they weathered Albert Lea for two periods then won it in the third and OT. Great all around game by both teams.

Amen to that.

[youngun88]

I thought the Al West game was a very good game it just sucks that there were some terrible refs but hey what can you do.They just missed some calls they should have made and made calls that they shouldnt have made like in ot. I thought both goalies played really good. The West goalie is to emotionally fancy for me but is good.AL had some pretty good players like #8 he was putting on a show, also #10 and #18 are really solid too along with #7 an #5. West has some very quick players who are fun to watch also but a little to much drama sometimes. It was one of the funnest games to watch though. These teams are very evenly matched but i think Al is better when it comes down to it. If al would have won last night it would be hard to beat West in sections for a third time. Congrats to both teams for a good season so far

[just a guy]

I thought it was very evenly matched game. These teams both represent section 1 very well. Except for the fact that I think west puts on show sometimes. Overall two great teams. Back to the game though, I thought that AL domitated the first two periods, with the exception of a couple of shifts. West came out flying in the third, but towards the end I believe that AL picked it up. The refs made some terrible calls in my opinion. I believed that could of possibly changed the outcome, but then again I may be wrong. All and all good luck to both teams in sections.

[hockeypurist]

I am appalled by the constant chatter on this thread (and others) about officiating. Is that what this great game has come to? Scrutinizing every call/non-call a referee makes? Is the expectation that of perfection? If that is not a realistic expectation of the players, then why do some feel that such a lofty standard should exist for officials? Aren't they human too? Would you rather have a game like West vs Mayo in which the officials chose to take center stage, call > 30 penalties, and result in a game with no flow? Or have a game in which 2 teams play their hearts out, are cut a little bit of slack, and are penalized for infractions that truly deserve penalization? Hockey is a great game. It is a fast game. It is a game in which spit second decisions need to be made. It is so easy to officiate from the stands, and those of you who do it (yelling for every perceived infraction, offside, etc) need to lighten up and enjoy the game for what it is. Parents who behave like this set terrible examples for their kids, and perpetuate such antics. And we wonder why it is hard to develop good officials?
So let's start talking about hockey, and stop bit*hing about officials. It gets old, boring and is frankly pathetic and whiny. Kudos to all of you who have resisted the temptation. Keep up the great discussions!

[SuperFan09]

I am appalled by the constant chatter on this thread (and others) about officiating. Is that what this great game has come to? Scrutinizing every call/non-call a referee makes? Is the expectation that of perfection? If that is not a realistic expectation of the players, then why do some feel that such a lofty standard should exist for officials? Aren't they human too? Would you rather have a game like West vs Mayo in which the officials chose to take center stage, call > 30 penalties, and result in a game with no flow? Or have a game in which 2 teams play their hearts out, are cut a little bit of slack, and are penalized for infractions that truly deserve penalization? Hockey is a great game. It is a fast game. It is a game in which spit second decisions need to be made. It is so easy to officiate from the stands, and those of you who do it (yelling for every perceived infraction, offside, etc) need to lighten up and enjoy the game for what it is. Parents who behave like this set terrible examples for their kids, and perpetuate such antics. And we wonder why it is hard to develop good officials?
So let's start talking about hockey, and stop bit*hing about officials. It gets old, boring and is frankly pathetic and whiny. Kudos to all of you who have resisted the temptation. Keep up the great discussions!

I agree with you and I disagree with you. First I was not at the West vs. Mayo Game so I cannot say anything there. If what you are saying is true then the refs should have let the kids play. However; maybe the refs were making all of the correct calls and they were being consistent and both teams were playing dumb and making stupid penalties and they were forcing the refs into making judgement calls. Now to me good refs equal the following= I hardly notice that they are there. Why? Because they make all the calls, they are consistent/fair, don't make horrible/terrible calls. Now I understand that Refs may miss a call here and there. I disagree that we should not talk about the Refs or the calls that they do or don't make. I don't know if you were at the Albert Lea at West Game. The Refs were bad. That Check From Behind that Albert Lea's Jared Bowman took from that West Kid should have been called. I think any other Ref/Refs would have made that call. That was one of the most dangerous plays. I was standing right there when Bowman got Checked From Behind into the glass. From my view point it was a call that even I would have called. When Bowman got hit I heard his neck crack and I mean crack. It was not just the sound of the glass. The kid who checked him and the refs are very lucky and I mean very lucky that Bowman was not seriously hurt.

[Where_is_the_bridge?]

I agree that they missed that call, but to say you heard his neck crack..come on. He came out the next shift, that's a little far-fetched to say you heard his neck crack. Did you ever think it just might of been the impact on the boards or maybe a stick? Either way tho calls were missed both ways. The phantom whistle that cost west a goal. It was a all around good game and I can't wait for sections.

[NDfightingirish35]

younggun88,
Can you explain emotionally fancy? I just don't understand what it means is all.

[hockeypurist]

I am appalled by the constant chatter on this thread (and others) about officiating. Is that what this great game has come to? Scrutinizing every call/non-call a referee makes? Is the expectation that of perfection? If that is not a realistic expectation of the players, then why do some feel that such a lofty standard should exist for officials? Aren't they human too? Would you rather have a game like West vs Mayo in which the officials chose to take center stage, call > 30 penalties, and result in a game with no flow? Or have a game in which 2 teams play their hearts out, are cut a little bit of slack, and are penalized for infractions that truly deserve penalization? Hockey is a great game. It is a fast game. It is a game in which spit second decisions need to be made. It is so easy to officiate from the stands, and those of you who do it (yelling for every perceived infraction, offside, etc) need to lighten up and enjoy the game for what it is. Parents who behave like this set terrible examples for their kids, and perpetuate such antics. And we wonder why it is hard to develop good officials?
So let's start talking about hockey, and stop bit*hing about officials. It gets old, boring and is frankly pathetic and whiny. Kudos to all of you who have resisted the temptation. Keep up the great discussions!

I agree with you and I disagree with you. First I was not at the West vs. Mayo Game so I cannot say anything there. If what you are saying is true then the refs should have let the kids play. However; maybe the refs were making all of the correct calls and they were being consistent and both teams were playing dumb and making stupid penalties and they were forcing the refs into making judgement calls. Now to me good refs equal the following= I hardly notice that they are there. Why? Because they make all the calls, they are consistent/fair, don't make horrible/terrible calls. Now I understand that Refs may miss a call here and there. I disagree that we should not talk about the Refs or the calls that they do or don't make. I don't know if you were at the Albert Lea at West Game. The Refs were bad. That Check From Behind that Albert Lea's Jared Bowman took from that West Kid should have been called. I think any other Ref/Refs would have made that call. That was one of the most dangerous plays. I was standing right there when Bowman got Checked From Behind into the glass. From my view point it was a call that even I would have called. When Bowman got hit I heard his neck crack and I mean crack. It was not just the sound of the glass. The kid who checked him and the refs are very lucky and I mean very lucky that Bowman was not seriously hurt.

Superfan, thank you for further supporting my point by posting. We, as a society, seem to take great pleasure, if not therapy, in beating up on officials! And it appears that you are no exception. Lack of accountability is all that is generated with such rants, be it on forums like this, or in the car on the way home after a game. "It's not my fault we lost...it's the ref's fault!" That is the message that more and more youth are extracting from their adult role models.
You chose to go back to the MW vs AL game to justify your opinion (ranting about refs...again (yawn)). There are poorly officiated games, and well officiated games. And, often, this is in the eye of the beholder (if AL won that game, I suspect you would not be on your soap box). I am still in shock that some on this forum thought the West vs Mayo game was well officiated. And I am just as surprised that some thought the AL vs West game was poorly officiated. The outcome often factors into such a judgement, doesn't it.
So, my point, again, is that we hockey people need to get off the referees, and focus on the great game that we love. I do agree that, occasionally, a decision is made by an official that plays a role in the outcome of the game. But, more often than not, it was an act by a player that forced the official to make a call (or not). For what it's worth, I, too, thought the OT CFB in the AL/MW game was worthy of a penalty. But, for whatever reason, the officials did not (both of them). That had no direct impact on the outcome of the game, but allowed many to speculate.

[puckluvr]

I am appalled by the constant chatter on this thread (and others) about officiating. Is that what this great game has come to? Scrutinizing every call/non-call a referee makes? Is the expectation that of perfection? If that is not a realistic expectation of the players, then why do some feel that such a lofty standard should exist for officials? Aren't they human too? Would you rather have a game like West vs Mayo in which the officials chose to take center stage, call > 30 penalties, and result in a game with no flow? Or have a game in which 2 teams play their hearts out, are cut a little bit of slack, and are penalized for infractions that truly deserve penalization? Hockey is a great game. It is a fast game. It is a game in which spit second decisions need to be made. It is so easy to officiate from the stands, and those of you who do it (yelling for every perceived infraction, offside, etc) need to lighten up and enjoy the game for what it is. Parents who behave like this set terrible examples for their kids, and perpetuate such antics. And we wonder why it is hard to develop good officials?
So let's start talking about hockey, and stop bit*hing about officials. It gets old, boring and is frankly pathetic and whiny. Kudos to all of you who have resisted the temptation. Keep up the great discussions!

I agree with you and I disagree with you. First I was not at the West vs. Mayo Game so I cannot say anything there. If what you are saying is true then the refs should have let the kids play. However; maybe the refs were making all of the correct calls and they were being consistent and both teams were playing dumb and making stupid penalties and they were forcing the refs into making judgement calls. Now to me good refs equal the following= I hardly notice that they are there. Why? Because they make all the calls, they are consistent/fair, don't make horrible/terrible calls. Now I understand that Refs may miss a call here and there. I disagree that we should not talk about the Refs or the calls that they do or don't make. I don't know if you were at the Albert Lea at West Game. The Refs were bad. That Check From Behind that Albert Lea's Jared Bowman took from that West Kid should have been called. I think any other Ref/Refs would have made that call. That was one of the most dangerous plays. I was standing right there when Bowman got Checked From Behind into the glass. From my view point it was a call that even I would have called. When Bowman got hit I heard his neck crack and I mean crack. It was not just the sound of the glass. The kid who checked him and the refs are very lucky and I mean very lucky that Bowman was not seriously hurt.

Superfan, thank you for further supporting my point by posting. We, as a society, seem to take great pleasure, if not therapy, in beating up on officials! And it appears that you are no exception. Lack of accountability is all that is generated with such rants, be it on forums like this, or in the car on the way home after a game. "It's not my fault we lost...it's the ref's fault!" That is the message that more and more youth are extracting from their adult role models.
You chose to go back to the MW vs AL game to justify your opinion (ranting about refs...again (yawn)). There are poorly officiated games, and well officiated games. And, often, this is in the eye of the beholder (if AL won that game, I suspect you would not be on your soap box). I am still in shock that some on this forum thought the West vs Mayo game was well officiated. And I am just as surprised that some thought the AL vs West game was poorly officiated. The outcome often factors into such a judgement, doesn't it.
So, my point, again, is that we hockey people need to get off the referees, and focus on the great game that we love. I do agree that, occasionally, a decision is made by an official that plays a role in the outcome of the game. But, more often than not, it was an act by a player that forced the official to make a call (or not). For what it's worth, I, too, thought the OT CFB in the AL/MW game was worthy of a penalty. But, for whatever reason, the officials did not (both of them). That had no direct impact on the outcome of the game, but allowed many to speculate.

Hockeypurist, I am quite sure that had that hit been put on your son or one of his teammates you would feel very different about it. The game was alot of fun to watch and anyone who tries to deny that needs to evaluate their love for hockey. However, the refs laid out what they considered cfb with the call on AL's number 7 earlier in the game. So, with that being said, it was a no-brainer later in the game. And if you try to deny that then you need to reevaluate who or what you are defending. Those refs are very lucky that #18 was not injured. It would be interesting to see what defense you would have for them then.

[Fixxer]

I agree that they missed that call, but to say you heard his neck crack..come on. He came out the next shift, that's a little far-fetched to say you heard his neck crack. Did you ever think it just might of been the impact on the boards or maybe a stick? Either way tho calls were missed both ways. The phantom whistle that cost west a goal. It was a all around good game and I can't wait for sections.

oright enough of this phantom whistle...i was in the stands and heard a whistle..so thats that...refs sucked..they gave the game to west...its nice when the refs give out wins. AL will be out for blood

[hockeyfan_atic]

wistle or no wistle they said the goalie covered up when he did not and took a legitimate goal away from west that would have won the game without overtime.. it was the worst blown call all night.

[hockeypurist]

I agree with you and I disagree with you. First I was not at the West vs. Mayo Game so I cannot say anything there. If what you are saying is true then the refs should have let the kids play. However; maybe the refs were making all of the correct calls and they were being consistent and both teams were playing dumb and making stupid penalties and they were forcing the refs into making judgement calls. Now to me good refs equal the following= I hardly notice that they are there. Why? Because they make all the calls, they are consistent/fair, don't make horrible/terrible calls. Now I understand that Refs may miss a call here and there. I disagree that we should not talk about the Refs or the calls that they do or don't make. I don't know if you were at the Albert Lea at West Game. The Refs were bad. That Check From Behind that Albert Lea's Jared Bowman took from that West Kid should have been called. I think any other Ref/Refs would have made that call. That was one of the most dangerous plays. I was standing right there when Bowman got Checked From Behind into the glass. From my view point it was a call that even I would have called. When Bowman got hit I heard his neck crack and I mean crack. It was not just the sound of the glass. The kid who checked him and the refs are very lucky and I mean very lucky that Bowman was not seriously hurt.

Superfan, thank you for further supporting my point by posting. We, as a society, seem to take great pleasure, if not therapy, in beating up on officials! And it appears that you are no exception. Lack of accountability is all that is generated with such rants, be it on forums like this, or in the car on the way home after a game. "It's not my fault we lost...it's the ref's fault!" That is the message that more and more youth are extracting from their adult role models.
You chose to go back to the MW vs AL game to justify your opinion (ranting about refs...again (yawn)). There are poorly officiated games, and well officiated games. And, often, this is in the eye of the beholder (if AL won that game, I suspect you would not be on your soap box). I am still in shock that some on this forum thought the West vs Mayo game was well officiated. And I am just as surprised that some thought the AL vs West game was poorly officiated. The outcome often factors into such a judgement, doesn't it.
So, my point, again, is that we hockey people need to get off the referees, and focus on the great game that we love. I do agree that, occasionally, a decision is made by an official that plays a role in the outcome of the game. But, more often than not, it was an act by a player that forced the official to make a call (or not). For what it's worth, I, too, thought the OT CFB in the AL/MW game was worthy of a penalty. But, for whatever reason, the officials did not (both of them). That had no direct impact on the outcome of the game, but allowed many to speculate.

Hockeypurist, I am quite sure that had that hit been put on your son or one of his teammates you would feel very different about it. The game was alot of fun to watch and anyone who tries to deny that needs to evaluate their love for hockey. However, the refs laid out what they considered cfb with the call on AL's number 7 earlier in the game. So, with that being said, it was a no-brainer later in the game. And if you try to deny that then you need to reevaluate who or what you are defending. Those refs are very lucky that #18 was not injured. It would be interesting to see what defense you would have for them then.

Puckluvr, please read the third from the last sentence of my last post. After you ripped me a new one, did you bother to see that we AGREE on the CFB call (or lack thereof)??????

[GinosAreGood]

The refs explanation on the checking from behind was the AL kid #18 did a 360 and fell head first into the boards.

When i first heard this reasoning i laughed, but today i watched a tape of the game and the AL kid actually did do a 360. he came around the net, began turning, the west kid hit him as his back was to him, and as the AL kid went into the boards, his turning momentum kept him turning and he went shoulder-first into the boards. he maybe hit the side of his head, but he did NOT go head first, it's on the video and crazily enough, it was his spinning "360" motion that caused this. so i guess the ref's were correct in what they saw. However, the AL kid WAS hit from behind. you could say he turned into it (which i said before), or, after watching, you could argue that the west kid had time to stop. He was hit from behind, but didn't go into the boards like one would when hit from behind, it was weird. I guess it shoulda been a penalty, but not CFB. I couldn't see Royce's hit, but i saw the interference on AL in OT and that was weak compared to what the ref's were letting go, shouldn't of called it seeing the other stuff they let go.
Just thought i'd share what i saw on tape. I'm sure someone will have something to say, but it's just my two cents

[fubar-errr-what]

The refs explanation on the checking from behind was the AL kid #18 did a 360 and fell head first into the boards.

When i first heard this reasoning i laughed, but today i watched a tape of the game and the AL kid actually did do a 360. he came around the net, began turning, the west kid hit him as his back was to him, and as the AL kid went into the boards, his turning momentum kept him turning and he went shoulder-first into the boards. he maybe hit the side of his head, but he did NOT go head first, it's on the video and crazily enough, it was his spinning "360" motion that caused this. so i guess the ref's were correct in what they saw. However, the AL kid WAS hit from behind. you could say he turned into it (which i said before), or, after watching, you could argue that the west kid had time to stop. He was hit from behind, but didn't go into the boards like one would when hit from behind, it was weird. I guess it shoulda been a penalty, but not CFB. I couldn't see Royce's hit, but i saw the interference on AL in OT and that was weak compared to what the ref's were letting go, shouldn't of called it seeing the other stuff they let go.
Just thought i'd share what i saw on tape. I'm sure someone will have something to say, but it's just my two cents

I heard one of the refs were suspended from the game of AL and West? anyone else hear this??