HEP Points in Squirts
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HEP Points in Squirts
If you can't show the score than why can we show if you got a HEP Point? It is under the same principle. Only the league should know who won and who got the HEP point for Play-off seeding.
Exactly so what is the point only to belittle some teams because they take a couple more penaties than another. Watch any level in Minnesota other than Minnnesota youth hockey and there is no limit. Hep points are over rated and if you look every year on most youth levels it is the same teams at the bottom getting penalized by the same refs over and over.
Okaytunavichy wrote:Exactly so what is the point only to belittle some teams because they take a couple more penaties than another. Watch any level in Minnesota other than Minnnesota youth hockey and there is no limit. Hep points are over rated and if you look every year on most youth levels it is the same teams at the bottom getting penalized by the same refs over and over.
A little background on HEP.
HEP is Hockey Education Program. It was designed to make everyone, players, parents, coaches, refs, fans better at understanding hockey, better at playing and coaching, and better 'sports'.
The HEP information is very good and all coaches, players, refs and parents shuld be exposed to the information.
Second, the 'HEP points' are in fact called 'Fair Play Points'. (Whether fair or not is subject for another discussion.) These points were installed within HEP to be used as a measuring tool of the program (HEP). Are the kids, coaches, parents, fans actually using and benefitting from the program. The FPP program was used in a Quebec midget hockey league and was copied and modified from that program.
Third, they were to be used in all district for 12U (peewees) and above to determine standings.
Use of FPP in squirts or lower and in invitational tournaments is optional.
In district squirt leagues it is at the option of the district. In invitational tournaments it is at the option of the sponsoring association.
Elliott,
Thank You for your post. I still agree that (every year on most youth levels it is the same teams at the bottom getting penalized by the same refs over and over). I don't think coaches intentionally teach the kids to take penalties do they? So why are the same teams at the bottom or maybe the coaches should get to HEP point refs and maybe take some money away or cut the number of games they ref every time they do a bad job. Seems just because they are the only ones recieving money they have nothing to lose being a bad ref. Remember most coaches are volunteers and it is getting harder to find them also.
Thank You for your post. I still agree that (every year on most youth levels it is the same teams at the bottom getting penalized by the same refs over and over). I don't think coaches intentionally teach the kids to take penalties do they? So why are the same teams at the bottom or maybe the coaches should get to HEP point refs and maybe take some money away or cut the number of games they ref every time they do a bad job. Seems just because they are the only ones recieving money they have nothing to lose being a bad ref. Remember most coaches are volunteers and it is getting harder to find them also.
Elliott,elliott70 wrote:Okaytunavichy wrote:Exactly so what is the point only to belittle some teams because they take a couple more penaties than another. Watch any level in Minnesota other than Minnnesota youth hockey and there is no limit. Hep points are over rated and if you look every year on most youth levels it is the same teams at the bottom getting penalized by the same refs over and over.
A little background on HEP.
HEP is Hockey Education Program. It was designed to make everyone, players, parents, coaches, refs, fans better at understanding hockey, better at playing and coaching, and better 'sports'.
The HEP information is very good and all coaches, players, refs and parents shuld be exposed to the information.
Second, the 'HEP points' are in fact called 'Fair Play Points'. (Whether fair or not is subject for another discussion.) These points were installed within HEP to be used as a measuring tool of the program (HEP). Are the kids, coaches, parents, fans actually using and benefitting from the program. The FPP program was used in a Quebec midget hockey league and was copied and modified from that program.
Third, they were to be used in all district for 12U (peewees) and above to determine standings.
Use of FPP in squirts or lower and in invitational tournaments is optional.
In district squirt leagues it is at the option of the district. In invitational tournaments it is at the option of the sponsoring association.
FPP are a great idea. However, for them to work, there has to be some benefit or price. District 4 teams earned a high majority of their FPP this year.
I predict it won't be the same next year. District 4, in their infinite wisdom, seeded their tournaments by a "coaches poll" conducted a week before the season even ended. Several teams were moved from their standings position and seeded up or down (most not more than 2 slots, but some as much as 4). Oh, and by the way, they did it without changing the District rules.
Ultimately, what the kids did on the ice had little to do with their tournament seeding. I'll be surprised if we see near the percentage of FPP earned next year!!
I agree.woodley wrote:Elliott,elliott70 wrote:Okaytunavichy wrote:Exactly so what is the point only to belittle some teams because they take a couple more penaties than another. Watch any level in Minnesota other than Minnnesota youth hockey and there is no limit. Hep points are over rated and if you look every year on most youth levels it is the same teams at the bottom getting penalized by the same refs over and over.
A little background on HEP.
HEP is Hockey Education Program. It was designed to make everyone, players, parents, coaches, refs, fans better at understanding hockey, better at playing and coaching, and better 'sports'.
The HEP information is very good and all coaches, players, refs and parents shuld be exposed to the information.
Second, the 'HEP points' are in fact called 'Fair Play Points'. (Whether fair or not is subject for another discussion.) These points were installed within HEP to be used as a measuring tool of the program (HEP). Are the kids, coaches, parents, fans actually using and benefitting from the program. The FPP program was used in a Quebec midget hockey league and was copied and modified from that program.
Third, they were to be used in all district for 12U (peewees) and above to determine standings.
Use of FPP in squirts or lower and in invitational tournaments is optional.
In district squirt leagues it is at the option of the district. In invitational tournaments it is at the option of the sponsoring association.
FPP are a great idea. However, for them to work, there has to be some benefit or price. District 4 teams earned a high majority of their FPP this year.
District 4, in their infinite wisdom, seeded their tournaments by a "coaches poll" conducted a week before the season even ended. Several teams were moved from their standings position and seeded up or down (most not more than 2 slots, but some as much as 4). Oh, and by the way, they did it without changing the District rules.
Ultimately, what the kids did on the ice had little to do with their tournament seeding. I'll be surprised if we see near the percentage of FPP earned next year!!
Just scanning some of your posts and it looks like you do a fair amount of pissing and moaning...I know they are just your opinion and you are free to express them. Looks like you have taken a run at just about anyone involved in hockey, with the exception of the "Over Critical Parent".tunavichy wrote:Elliott,
Thank You for your post. I still agree that (every year on most youth levels it is the same teams at the bottom getting penalized by the same refs over and over). I don't think coaches intentionally teach the kids to take penalties do they? So why are the same teams at the bottom or maybe the coaches should get to HEP point refs and maybe take some money away or cut the number of games they ref every time they do a bad job. Seems just because they are the only ones recieving money they have nothing to lose being a bad ref. Remember most coaches are volunteers and it is getting harder to find them also.
Have you lace them up and coached, or ref'd? Ever sit on the board and made a decision? I think I recognize you, are you that guy that stands in the corner of the rink with your arms folded, or are you the one that stands at the top of the bleachers and helps coach and officate? Please clarify.