5AA section quarter final upset?!

4Real · Post by **4Real** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:03 pm

talkhockey wrote:4real get real. There’s no crying in baseball and there’s no whining in hockey….no whining. Bud Grant always said you can’t control the officials, the only thing you can do is score more points. As far as Mounds View posting an upset I beg to differ. Irondale has been over rated all season. Similar to teams like say…Hill Murray, better then average teams that play in a Class A conference. They pad their record with inferior teams and then get anointed a higher seed then they may deserve. So then a team like MV (who in IMO is not that far behind them) beats them, and it’s considered an upset. Hog wash. Look at MV's record, you will see a team who finished strong in arguable the toughest conference in the land. Where as Irondale sucked on the pipe down the stretch losing to…errrr..Chisago Lakes and then where throttled by BSM. So take your upset somewhere else.
Furthermore I agree with the Foil Master, this whole Section was mediocre and primed for upsets. All the teams are just simply average. Like Irondale, Centennial and Blaine were also overrated…overrated….overrated. I will agree Rentley the Conference was strong in the past, but not this year. Mounds View can win this Section and I don’t think it would be an upset, remember they did beat the highest seed left in the bracket in their own tournament.

Wow, you are most definitely a MV parent and most likely know who you are as it is pretty obvious by your posts. I most certainly am not whining about Irondale's loss. Why don't you read over the post again. All that I am saying is that I was at the Irondale game and watched the game. To say that they are overrated? Who has said that? I really don't think I have heard any bragging about this team. In fact, this team hasn't been talked about much at all. Sounds to me like you are trying to talk bad about others to make your daughter's team look better. You are a very angry person and might want to re-read your entry. Not something to be so bitter about! Lighten up!

4Real · Post by **4Real** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:14 pm

findme wrote:
ontheroadagain wrote:You are correct 4real, however it was truly a varsity cut down to 3 lines V
and 1st line JV. The only game played entirely by the V was a 1-0 win over
Wayzata. The starting D and Goalie played the 1st part of Irondale game
and the other 2 goalies split the time between Irondale and Moorhead game. I understand your frusteration you have an AWESOME TEAM!
I don't think anyone would want to face Irondale in next years section!
Like I said...Centennial never played Irondale. It was a post try out scrimmage-that's it! Don't go tooting your horn that you beat a team when clearly you did not! And to even call it a scrimmage is a joke. It was Centennial's coaching staff using a situation to better their team. On top of it being a Varsity cut down-the two goalies (the younger and less experienced goalie) split their time. And...Centennial had no powerplay, penalty kill or systems! Not once during the entire season has Carpenter split her time as goalie.

In regards to Moundsview beating Irondale and Irondale actually believing that it was a fluke or an upset-Moundsview has a good team-good enough to beat Centennial at their own tourney in December. Good enough to beat the Conference Champs and good enough to beat the #8 rated team in State. (in a actual game!) Hum?

It is funny, nobody is saying that Centennial or Mounds View or Irondale are bad teams. I think scrimmages are just for that; trying to make your roster for the season by trying different situations. Most likely all the teams involved were doing the same thing in the scrimmages. In fact, some Centennial JV girls were playing on Wayzata's team since they were short players which was nice of the to do. Everyone's team has gotten better through the season or at least should have. Why are you so on the defensive. By the looks of your previous posts that is exactly what you do. Relax and let the girls have fun playing hockey.

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:42 pm

chickendance wrote:Every team in the top ten has 2 really good lines? What do you count as a line?

6 forwards, 3 to a line...

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:48 pm

talkhockey wrote:4real get real. There’s no crying in baseball and there’s no whining in hockey….no whining. Bud Grant always said you can’t control the officials, the only thing you can do is score more points. As far as Mounds View posting an upset I beg to differ. Irondale has been over rated all season. Similar to teams like say…Hill Murray, better then average teams that play in a Class A conference. They pad their record with inferior teams and then get anointed a higher seed then they may deserve. So then a team like MV (who in IMO is not that far behind them) beats them, and it’s considered an upset. Hog wash. Look at MV's record, you will see a team who finished strong in arguable the toughest conference in the land. Where as Irondale sucked on the pipe down the stretch losing to…errrr..Chisago Lakes and then where throttled by BSM. So take your upset somewhere else.
Furthermore I agree with the Foil Master, this whole Section was mediocre and primed for upsets. All the teams are just simply average. Like Irondale, Centennial and Blaine were also overrated…overrated….overrated. I will agree Rentley the Conference was strong in the past, but not this year. Mounds View can win this Section and I don’t think it would be an upset, remember they did beat the highest seed left in the bracket in their own tournament.

all I can say is, Thank you!!!

talkhockey · Post by **talkhockey** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:12 pm

[quote="4Real"][quote="talkhockey"]4real get real. There’s no crying in baseball and there’s no whining in hockey….no whining. Bud Grant always said you can’t control the officials, the only thing you can do is score more points. As far as Mounds View posting an upset I beg to differ. Irondale has been over rated all season. Similar to teams like say…Hill Murray, better then average teams that play in a Class A conference. They pad their record with inferior teams and then get anointed a higher seed then they may deserve. So then a team like MV (who in IMO is not that far behind them) beats them, and it’s considered an upset. Hog wash. Look at MV's record, you will see a team who finished strong in arguable the toughest conference in the land. Where as Irondale sucked on the pipe down the stretch losing to…errrr..Chisago Lakes and then where throttled by BSM. So take your upset somewhere else.
Furthermore I agree with the Foil Master, this whole Section was mediocre and primed for upsets. All the teams are just simply average. Like Irondale, Centennial and Blaine were also overrated…overrated….overrated. I will agree Rentley the Conference was strong in the past, but not this year. Mounds View can win this Section and I don’t think it would be an upset, remember they did beat the highest seed left in the bracket in their own tournament.[/quote]

Wow, you are most definitely a MV parent and most likely know who you are as it is pretty obvious by your posts. I most certainly am not whining about Irondale's loss. Why don't you read over the post again. All that I am saying is that I was at the Irondale game and watched the game. To say that they are overrated? Who has said that? I really don't think I have heard any bragging about this team. In fact, this team hasn't been talked about much at all. Sounds to me like you are trying to talk bad about others to make your daughter's team look better. You are a very angry person and might want to re-read your entry. Not something to be so bitter about! Lighten up![/quote]

Wow, I most defiantly am not a Mounds View parent and far from bitter :) just an casual observer. Before you get your undies in a bundle I was only referring to your reply regarding the phantom goal (you know the one they weren’t given credit for). I’m sorry if I insinuated that you were whining. It only appeared like you were. Looking back it was more of a droning: P . As far as the upset theme, that was directed at some one else. But as long as we are addressing this subject you might want to lighten up your self, you know this is not suppose to be a complete love fest. One can take a counter point. If it’s to pain full for you just ignore it. 8) (I added the icons so as to not be mistaken)

chickendance · Post by **chickendance** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:50 pm

Hanson,

Thank's for the clarification. I thought your statement that all of the top ten have 2 really good lines was ridiculous, I just wanted to make sure.

But this is off thread now.

findme · Post by **findme** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:57 pm

It gets a bit annoying when all people hear (or see for this matter is) arrogance, sarcasm and belittling...my dad can beat your dad up attitude!

It's ridiculous at times...a goal that 3 refs did not see at a High School Section game-come on-let me guess...the Irondale parents saw it. Give the refs a little more credit than that. "and had beaten Centennial in a scrimmage earlier in the season", or how about, "I'll take Irondales 1st two lines against any other in the state" or "You most definelty are a MV parent and most likely know who you are." What?

Oh my dear friend-no need to be defensive here!

chickendance · Post by **chickendance** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:41 pm

Close the vote...and there is no need to play the games

hockeyinmn99 · Post by **hockeyinmn99** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:11 am

I think that the 5AA section is underrated. This section is mainly filled with teams from the past 4AA section and the Northwest Conference. That section and that conference were also underrated in the past. A very defensive and physical style of hockey is played in this conference which I think has led to success in the past few state tournaments for these teams.

The last few state tournament appearances from the 4AA section have included Anoka, Coon Rapids, and North Metro in that order.

Anoka lost their first game to the eventual state champs SSP (Amazing team) giving them their toughest game of the tournament. (If my memory is correct I think they won the consolation that year. Someone correct me if I am wrong.)

Coon Rapids was a big underdog in the semifinals against Roseville and beat them 3-2 eventually losing in the finals to Eden Prairie (Perfect Season).

North Metro played heavily favored Benilde St. Margaret’s in the state semi's last year and beat them 4-3. They were then defeated by Stillwater in the finals.

This leaves the 4AA and NW conference with a 6-3 record over the past 3 years in the state tournament with a 5th place and two 2nd place finishes. I know that the past is the past but this section and conference was overlooked in the past just as it is this year.

Whoever comes out of this section in my opinion will be a very dangerous team. Centennial's record is very impressive and their GAA (1.14) indicates the type of team that usually has come out of this section the last few years.

The semifinals and finals should be very interesting to watch.

chickendance · Post by **chickendance** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:34 pm

Well part of the speculation is done. Coon Rapids Defeated MV 5 to 2.

talkhockey · Post by **talkhockey** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:53 am

Congrats to Coon Rapids. Much like Cretin they saved their best hockey for when it counts. Hope they can carry the momentum to the tourny.

findme · Post by **findme** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:21 pm

hockeyinmn99,

Let's not forget Centennial also made the trip to State in 2005-06. Should be a good game against Coon Rapids on Friday.

ontheroadagain · Post by **ontheroadagain** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:42 pm

Centennial 4 Coon Rapids 2

Centennial 5AA Champions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chickendance · Post by **chickendance** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:56 am

Congratultions to Centennial!!! Great final run!

UWhockey88 · Post by **UWhockey88** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:54 am

Congratulations to Centennial on the SECTION 5AA championship win!

Kudos on a job well done by a great group of girls...ON and OFF the ice...they deserve the best that life has prepared for them!

ontheroadagain · Post by **ontheroadagain** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:00 pm

Funny how things work out, Talk Hockey said how dominate THE SUBURBAN EAST is. How ever it was the Lake with 2 teams EP and Eagan,
and the Northwest Sububan Conference with 2 Elk River and Centennial,
and only 1 out of four the mighty SUBURBAN EAST. Congrats to Cretin as they quietly won their section over the overated teams (RIGHT TALK HOCKEY) or is it the over over rated teams.

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:55 pm

ontheroadagain wrote:Funny how things work out, Talk Hockey said how dominate THE SUBURBAN EAST is. How ever it was the Lake with 2 teams EP and Eagan,
and the Northwest Sububan Conference with 2 Elk River and Centennial,
and only 1 out of four the mighty SUBURBAN EAST. Congrats to Cretin as they quietly won their section over the overated teams (RIGHT TALK HOCKEY) or is it the over over rated teams.

and when your team beats EP then you can spout off how good your team is. I think the argument was simple. It was a tougher road for Cretin to get through than it was for Centennial. You can't compare the sections. It's night and day.

ontheroadagain · Post by **ontheroadagain** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:19 pm

Just stating the facts, Talk Hockey put down the NW Suburban and a lot of good teams, He and you are a little bitter. Posting negatives on other sections when the SUBURBAN EAST had an opportunity for 4 teams to Qualify for state, and only sent ONE. I don't know of any other conference that was given that opportunity? The top teams put the bar so high around Christmas that every one caught them and beat them by sections so as TALKHOCKEY said theres no whining in baseball or hockey. KINGS at Christmas doesn't=State Birth sections do. White Bear was on fire at Christmas!!!! 3AA Hastings,Park Cottage Grove,Woodbury. 5AA Mounds View. 7AA Forest Lake the rest in 4AA. If you want a better shot maybe the powers to be can spread the conference out to one more section for you.

talkhockey · Post by **talkhockey** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:44 am

Stating the facts? Look again Road kill did I ever mention the NWSC? I was referring to Section 5AA. As far as being negative, I was merely responding to the whining about the Irondale loss and only referenced the SEC as a way of defending the MV win as being legitimate. Okay maybe I did express my views on how overrated I thought Centennial, Blaine and Irondale were ( but, I’m far from alone on this). The fact is I could really care less which team wins or doesn’t win, which Conference or Section is best or worst. I only call them as I see them. You on the other hand appear to have reacted a little defensively and took this rather personally (may I add that you did so only after Centennial won of course, how convenient). This response reeks of an inferiority complex and does a better job of putting down the NWSC then I did.
All I can say is relax and have fun at the tourney. Under the new alignment your squad deserves to be going, but please don’t fool your self into thinking if Stillwater or even WBL was still in Section 5 that this would still be the case.

PuxRinmyblood · Post by **PuxRinmyblood** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:43 pm

Quote: Under the new alignment your squad deserves to be going, but please don’t fool your self into thinking if Stillwater or even WBL was still in Section 5 that this would still be the case.

Well, maybe and maybe not. Neither of them (Stillwater and WBL) are going from their own (admittedly difficult) section, and a rather serious underdog (IMO) is. Talk Hockey or anyone else can only speculate on who would be going from this section if other teams were in it. The statement quoted above can't be proven.

Are these teams better than Centennial? Again, maybe, and maybe not. On paper and in the almighty QRF I'm sure that they are. However, those things don't mean a whole heck of a lot this time of year.

Regarding the "overrated" comments....Centennial probably doesn't inspire shock and awe like others do, because they lack superstars and firepower. They ARE well coached, play well as a team, are pretty deep as girls HS teams go, and tend not to make a lot of mistakes. Thus they have managed to go 24-4 to this point. In my opinion it's hard to be "overrated" with such a record, but I guess that's just me. They might just do well this weekend. Of course, they might also go two-and-barbeque. Good teams also lose at the tournament.

And before anyone gets bent out of shape, I do not live in the Centennial area, nor am I affiliated with the program in any way.

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