foshodangles wrote:imagine the super bowl this year being tied 17 to 17 at end of regulation and they go into overtime and no one scores then the NFL says "the super bowl goes to New England because they were the better team in the regular season". Could you imagine how angry people would be?
That would be a great analogy if this were professional sports. But it's not. Time constraints dictate a conclusion to a game after 3 periods and 3 overtimes, otherwise you face having school-aged kids up to the wee hours of the evening trying to finish the game, or waiting for their game to start.
It's better than a shoot out, a terrible way to end a game, not to mention too stressful for the goalie parents. Also better than the worst tie-breaker scenario I've ever witnessed at a tournament: three on three with no goalie.
It's not a bad compromise. Since the #1 team in D6 no longer gets an automatic bid to regions, seems fair to reward the higher seed with the advantage based on its regular season league play.
foshodangles wrote:imagine the super bowl this year being tied 17 to 17 at end of regulation and they go into overtime and no one scores then the NFL says "the super bowl goes to New England because they were the better team in the regular season". Could you imagine how angry people would be?
That would be a great analogy if this were professional sports. But it's not. Time constraints dictate a conclusion to a game after 3 periods and 3 overtimes, otherwise you face having school-aged kids up to the wee hours of the evening trying to finish the game, or waiting for their game to start.
It's better than a shoot out, a terrible way to end a game, not to mention too stressful for the goalie parents. Also better than the worst tie-breaker scenario I've ever witnessed at a tournament: three on three with no goalie.
It's not a bad compromise. Since the #1 team in D6 no longer gets an automatic bid to regions, seems fair to reward the higher seed with the advantage based on its regular season league play.
You can't compare the Super bowl to a district playoff game. If anything the super bowl would be equivalent to the State championship game. That game dosen't have a 3 overtime higher seed win's system, just like the super bowl dosen't. If the distirct felt it needed a change im sure they would.
I highly doubt a kid on Chaska has 80 goals but I could be wrong.
I have also seen Minnetonka play and their top two players are 8 and 22. 21 was on the third line if i recall correctly and 8 their captain is their best player.
For those arguing that the "higher seed" gives teams that play well during the regular season a reward for their efforts; the seeding system in the play-offs is the reward (1st and 2nd get a bye, and 3rd and 4th get to open up with lower seeded teams). Like it was stated earlier, the 1st place team still gets a "bye" to regionals...all they have to do is beat the 4th place or WC team to advance.
I think teams (and more importantly, the kids) would be much more receptive to doing a shoot-out after one or two overtimes rather than have the higher seed advance. It's something that every team does all the time in practice and it at least makes one team earn the victory. There's no reason that a group of kids that, worked their butts off against a great team and are tied, should "lose" and have their season is over.
It's great the way it is now, "win" after 3 periods and 3 ot's or go home, except, the number one team should get an "automatic" bid. By the way, 4th place in district 6 is no slouch, so don't say all they have to do is beat the 4th place team. A mere 6 points seperated the top 4 teams in district 6. Any one of those teams could beat one another on any given night. As for the shootout, I'd rather flip a coin.
Flipping a coin would be ridiculous, at least a shoot-out requires skill and actually showcases the player's abilities (although it is personal abilities and not team's).
I wasn't saying that the 4th place team is a "slouch," all I was saying is that the #1 seed only has to win one game against a heavy underdog to advance to regionals. A better idea would be what almost every college hockey conference does; the regular season champ and 1st and 2nd place from play-offs advance to regionals.
No, the regular season winners should not get auto bids in college hockey. The teams that do well during the regular season will be high enough in the pairwise that they will not need the auto bid. We don't need any more Canisuis's, or Alabama teams to get auto bids. Before you know it, the NCAA regions will be filled with Division III teams.
RFFalcon22 wrote:PSST....hey buddy...there is more than one college hockey play-off.
I forgot they changed that for DI though; that's crazy...the winner or the WCHA, CCHA, etc. should get an automatic-bid to the tournament.
Hey Freddie and Falcon: To correct you guys in your debate: Currently the #1 seed DOES NOT need to win one game against the #4 (NO SLOUCH) to advance, they just need to tie 'em! Thats how ridiculous it is....
FRED, just to clear things up....Division III has it's own NCAA tournament so you don't have to worry about DIII teams getting into the NCAA regions.
When talking about auto-bids I literally meant only the top conferences should get an auto-bid; although with how many games they play, you are right, if they win a top conference they will have a good enough pairwise ranking to get into the tournament if they get upset in the conference play-offs.
Feddie- after many substantial contributions during your 139 post existance, you are indeed losing your marbles. Might be someting in the EP water that not only produces fine hockey players but some type of mind diminishing plague bacteria seems to have gotten you.
There needs to be a solution to that stupid rule. Which by the way, the game was the #2 seed, no the #1....so you're losing us with the argument that the #1 should get auto berth to regions...are you saying #2 should also get auto birth?
What you are saying is that the people of District 6 who put in this rule have some mind plague bacteria diminishing there thought process. I guess if I were a .500 team trying to get in through the back door, I would want it changed. As for your comments reguarding the # 1 and #2 seeds, I never referenced either being a #1 or a #2. What I did say is that an automatic birth should be given to the regular season champian. How you interpret any thing else is a result of you drinking some tainted water or a parent still trying to get over a 6th place regular season finish.
Funny that you are knocking on .500 teams trying to get in through the back door when the team you are defending (Edina) needed a ruling just to be able to get through the back door.
I like the rule, but I don't feel I need to defend district 6 because quite frankly, I really don't care if they keep it or change it. Why don't you 2 fellas call up your district 6 rep and talk to them.
Get over it...The rule is there, it was imposed and adhered to. If you want to do some good stop pissing on each others backs and take it directly to D6. You guys all have good points but you won't get anywhere. Lobby the D6 reps and voice your opinion, just make sure you do it constructively and work on your delivery.
I am just glad to see this arguement revolve around a rule that a referee couldn't be accused of manipulating.
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I would like to see the rule changed, but don't think it will happen. District 6 has the rule in place so they don't get off schedule during play-offs and are able stay within the block of ice they are scheduled for, which makes sense. I'm not to worried though, I'm sure there will be enough parents willing to voice their opinions to the board...all though I'm not sure how "constructively" they will go about it.
RFFalcon22 wrote:I would like to see the rule changed, but don't think it will happen. District 6 has the rule in place so they don't get off schedule during play-offs and are able stay within the block of ice they are scheduled for, which makes sense. I'm not to worried though, I'm sure there will be enough parents willing to voice their opinions to the board...all though I'm not sure how "constructively" they will go about it.
I'd guess that they'd change the rule after this year. Back when D6 put the rule in (4-5 years ago) nobody was prepared to say that a shootout should/could effectively solve a game that was going to end in a tie....but now that the NHL has paved the way, at a minimum it is paleteable for people and it is surely better than just ousting the worst seed. Not that a shootout is any great way to end a game (in fact it's a lousy way to lose) but it sure beats the current system.
My kid is now done with Bantams but I would't say I don't care what they do....I'm a purist, and the thing should be fixed for the betterment of the D6 tourney because it is a dandy.....Freddie, sorry about the tainted water jab....you guys have a nice club over there and to be honest, that stupid rule wouldn't really effect you guys anyway and I think you know that. When the chips are down, EP has always answered the bell. Best of luck in Regions (is that the worst Region you've ever seen?)
Agreed...best of luck to all the District 6 teams at regions. It's just too bad only two teams move on, otherwise District 6 could have 3 teams at State!
I have an idea. How about D6 spends a few extra pennies and buys enough ice time to finish their games. That goes with starting all the games on new ice and resurfacing after two periods as they do during all their Bantam A regular season games. D10 plays 17 minute periods and has an 8 minute warm-up.
However, high seed wins has come into play in the past even in a semi-final game. This isn't so bad on the winners side of the bracket but to have your season end on the losers side of the bracket because of high seed is a little tough.
peskycardinal wrote:I have an idea. How about D6 spends a few extra pennies and buys enough ice time to finish their games. That goes with starting all the games on new ice and resurfacing after two periods as they do during all their Bantam A regular season games. D10 plays 17 minute periods and has an 8 minute warm-up.
However, high seed wins has come into play in the past even in a semi-final game. This isn't so bad on the winners side of the bracket but to have your season end on the losers side of the bracket because of high seed is a little tough.
I agree that the losers side of the bracket is a little tougher to swallow. It is made even more difficult to deal with when you consider that the higher seed may be higher seed because of HEP points. This year at bantam A it wasn't a factor but it has been in the past. To see an eventual region qualifier potentially determined by their HEP points giving them a higher seed which in turn allows them to "win" in a tie game is really difficult.
Playing the game to conclusion using 3 on 3 play or a shootout is better than that.
Also better than the worst tie-breaker scenario I've ever witnessed at a tournament: three on three with no goalie.