Minnesota Ice Hawks Clinch Leauge Title 4-Peat!!!!!
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Minnesota Ice Hawks Clinch Leauge Title 4-Peat!!!!!
Once again the Rochester Ice Hawks win the MJHL and will be heading to the National Tourny for the the 5th time in 5 years!
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Goldy Gopher
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Goldy I really, REALLY doubt any high school team in the state would beat the Ice Hawks.
Earler this year they beat Hampton Roads 3-1 and out shot them 45-14. The next nigh Hampton beat Fargo-Moorhead 6-2.
Your right the rest of the MJHL isn't great but the Ice Hawks have been the best team in Rochester for the past 6 years, hands down!
Earler this year they beat Hampton Roads 3-1 and out shot them 45-14. The next nigh Hampton beat Fargo-Moorhead 6-2.
Your right the rest of the MJHL isn't great but the Ice Hawks have been the best team in Rochester for the past 6 years, hands down!
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shooter812
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Blue&Gold
Well, it's hard to prove, or dis-prove an opinion, isn't it? However, having watched this level of play with other teams, I have to ask you: How many of the players on your team were absolute 1st liners on their high school team? If several, then why aren't they playing in the real junior leagues, like the NAHL?crash wrote:Really? Do you read yours?
Come on now guy, the Ice Hawks are quite a bit better than high school hockey.
You, my friend, have now posted the dumbest post ever...top that!
Anyway, it's good to feel love for your hockey team, but you still have the dumbest post in this thread.. Sorry, but that's a fact.
24-Thompson one of the all time leading scorers in Tartan history, First Line
11-Goodmanson first liner for State Runner Up in WI, played a season in the NAHL, so yes First Line
12-Whitney top scorer for top ranked team in MI, First Line
9-Vold 92 birth year, would be a first liner in his High School but who wants to be a top line guy as a FR at Dodge County???but yes would play First Line...for 4 years
7-Anderson played First Line at Rochester Lourdes last year
20-Phelps second liner for the Third place AA team in State last year Century
19-Gorman First Line Rochester JM
8-Grady First Line Mound
6-Foss first or second liner for Elk River
28-Rohrig First Line for Owatonna
27-Wick second line for AHA
3-Rein First Line and one of the top scorers in the state for Shakopee
16-Dahl Top D for Sauk Rapids
17-Stevens Top D pairing at Century
4-Nesper 90 birth year who signed a tender in the NAHL last year
15-Nolt top scorer for Red Wing, First Liner
18-Balcom #3 D at Elk River behind Slavick(Green Bay/SoMN) and Martell(Gophers)
22-Eckhardt 3 year Captian at Howell HS(MI)
23-Jesseman top scoring D at Burnsville
26-Novotny First Liner at Soughton WI
25-Anger Top D Eau Clair HS
5-Mulally Top Pair for St Thomas Acad
21-Wilcox Top D for Century, one of the top in the state
Ummm...have you two guys ever SEEN a hockey game at this level? How about in Rochester? 1,468 watched last weeks playoff game, maybe you should take Friday off from watching the state tourny and come on down and make your own call on the level of play.
Every player but 3 was All Conf or All Conf HM, name one High School team that has 20+ players All Conf or All Conf HM in a 3 year span. This team would WORK any of the High School teams in Rochester and would flat out be a middle of the pack NAHL team.
If Rochester does go NAHL they will be the best team in the NAHL hands down. If they get the players they do now, just think who they would get over places Alex and Owatonna!
11-Goodmanson first liner for State Runner Up in WI, played a season in the NAHL, so yes First Line
12-Whitney top scorer for top ranked team in MI, First Line
9-Vold 92 birth year, would be a first liner in his High School but who wants to be a top line guy as a FR at Dodge County???but yes would play First Line...for 4 years
7-Anderson played First Line at Rochester Lourdes last year
20-Phelps second liner for the Third place AA team in State last year Century
19-Gorman First Line Rochester JM
8-Grady First Line Mound
6-Foss first or second liner for Elk River
28-Rohrig First Line for Owatonna
27-Wick second line for AHA
3-Rein First Line and one of the top scorers in the state for Shakopee
16-Dahl Top D for Sauk Rapids
17-Stevens Top D pairing at Century
4-Nesper 90 birth year who signed a tender in the NAHL last year
15-Nolt top scorer for Red Wing, First Liner
18-Balcom #3 D at Elk River behind Slavick(Green Bay/SoMN) and Martell(Gophers)
22-Eckhardt 3 year Captian at Howell HS(MI)
23-Jesseman top scoring D at Burnsville
26-Novotny First Liner at Soughton WI
25-Anger Top D Eau Clair HS
5-Mulally Top Pair for St Thomas Acad
21-Wilcox Top D for Century, one of the top in the state
Ummm...have you two guys ever SEEN a hockey game at this level? How about in Rochester? 1,468 watched last weeks playoff game, maybe you should take Friday off from watching the state tourny and come on down and make your own call on the level of play.
Every player but 3 was All Conf or All Conf HM, name one High School team that has 20+ players All Conf or All Conf HM in a 3 year span. This team would WORK any of the High School teams in Rochester and would flat out be a middle of the pack NAHL team.
If Rochester does go NAHL they will be the best team in the NAHL hands down. If they get the players they do now, just think who they would get over places Alex and Owatonna!
All conference Big Nine, whoopee. How many of these kids played Elite 1? How many of these kids were even honorable mention all state? Edina has 3 first team all metro kids this year.
I'm not going to get into individual kids, but Wilcox a top defenseman in the state? Are you serious? Did you watch the state tournament last year, the section final? All 4 of those teams picked on him for good reason. Most of those kids were average to slightly above average high school players. Given that I watch Big Nine hockey that's not a great opinion. At least 2 weren't that good.
I've seen about 10 Ice Hawks games this year, they are the best team in Rochester but that says more about the talent level of the high schools which is poor because this is the first year they are the best team in Rochester. But even that's tough to judge because most of the teams in the MJHL are so bad. I don't know how you can compare the ice Hawks to any team in the state tournament because the MJHL is so bad. There are kids who were average high school players who look like absolute stars out there. Would the Ice Hawks be middle of the pack NAHL, I doubt it but given the talent disparity in that league is pretty wide they could be.
Also what's the attendance based on, in the door or tickets sold, because there weren't 1468 people there Saturday. The bottom lot was less than half full, he lots across the street weren't full. I'd guess the actual attendance was closer to 800. It was less than any of the 2 section championship games.
I'm not going to get into individual kids, but Wilcox a top defenseman in the state? Are you serious? Did you watch the state tournament last year, the section final? All 4 of those teams picked on him for good reason. Most of those kids were average to slightly above average high school players. Given that I watch Big Nine hockey that's not a great opinion. At least 2 weren't that good.
I've seen about 10 Ice Hawks games this year, they are the best team in Rochester but that says more about the talent level of the high schools which is poor because this is the first year they are the best team in Rochester. But even that's tough to judge because most of the teams in the MJHL are so bad. I don't know how you can compare the ice Hawks to any team in the state tournament because the MJHL is so bad. There are kids who were average high school players who look like absolute stars out there. Would the Ice Hawks be middle of the pack NAHL, I doubt it but given the talent disparity in that league is pretty wide they could be.
Also what's the attendance based on, in the door or tickets sold, because there weren't 1468 people there Saturday. The bottom lot was less than half full, he lots across the street weren't full. I'd guess the actual attendance was closer to 800. It was less than any of the 2 section championship games.
I think you need to take a better look at everything you said.
Not one High School team in Rochester over the past 6 years would have beaten any 1 of the 6 Ice Hawks teams from the past 6 years.
I worked both section games and was at the Ice Hawks playoff game and the Ice Hawks game had WAY more fans than the AA final and more than the A final.
You should ask the players what they think of the level of play, ask the ones that play now and ask the ones that moved on to the NAHL or college. They all say that the MJHL is a step up from the MSHL and the Ice Hawks are a step up from the rest of the league.
I don't know how the attendence is recorded but I doubt they would fudge it, I am pretty sure they pay tax per person attended, so that would be a bad move.
Just my 2 cents
Not one High School team in Rochester over the past 6 years would have beaten any 1 of the 6 Ice Hawks teams from the past 6 years.
I worked both section games and was at the Ice Hawks playoff game and the Ice Hawks game had WAY more fans than the AA final and more than the A final.
You should ask the players what they think of the level of play, ask the ones that play now and ask the ones that moved on to the NAHL or college. They all say that the MJHL is a step up from the MSHL and the Ice Hawks are a step up from the rest of the league.
I don't know how the attendence is recorded but I doubt they would fudge it, I am pretty sure they pay tax per person attended, so that would be a bad move.
Just my 2 cents
You must be Ben the Zamboni guy then if you worked at all those game because the rest of the workers are school district people and they don't follow the Ice hawks. If that's the case you need to get out and see hockey other than what is played in Rochester because frankly that's not a very good level compared to much of the state, especially the teams that will be in the state tournament.
I have talked to many Ice Hawks players, most say they're playing with better kids, but the teams they play against aren't as good as what they played against in high school. Then again these kids aren't exactly coming from the Lake Conference or SEC, they're coming from the Big Nine or other states.
The team the Ice Hawks played this weekend wouldn't beat many big school JV teams, they had kids that really had trouble changing direction, let alone making a pass. Maybe that's not indicitive of the league as a whole but that team was very bad.
If you really think there were more people than at the Lourdes/West game you need glasses because it wasn't even close. You could probably go into the office and get the real attandance, minus the bands. It was somewhere near 1,800. Count the actual people at an Ice Hawks game, one where they don't give away 2000 free tickets, you won't pass 1,000 probably won't pass 800. Fudging attendance makes you look like a hot commodity, if the paper says 1,500 people were there then people who read the story might want to come, if the paper says 300 people were there it doesn't look so good. Nearly all sports teams do this, it's Marketing 101.
The Ice Hawks are great at what they do, they are a good team and they give a good value for the entertainment dollar. It's a pay to play league though and the talent isn't as good as you say. This is a far as most of these kids can hope to go and that's fine at least they're having fun.
I have talked to many Ice Hawks players, most say they're playing with better kids, but the teams they play against aren't as good as what they played against in high school. Then again these kids aren't exactly coming from the Lake Conference or SEC, they're coming from the Big Nine or other states.
The team the Ice Hawks played this weekend wouldn't beat many big school JV teams, they had kids that really had trouble changing direction, let alone making a pass. Maybe that's not indicitive of the league as a whole but that team was very bad.
If you really think there were more people than at the Lourdes/West game you need glasses because it wasn't even close. You could probably go into the office and get the real attandance, minus the bands. It was somewhere near 1,800. Count the actual people at an Ice Hawks game, one where they don't give away 2000 free tickets, you won't pass 1,000 probably won't pass 800. Fudging attendance makes you look like a hot commodity, if the paper says 1,500 people were there then people who read the story might want to come, if the paper says 300 people were there it doesn't look so good. Nearly all sports teams do this, it's Marketing 101.
The Ice Hawks are great at what they do, they are a good team and they give a good value for the entertainment dollar. It's a pay to play league though and the talent isn't as good as you say. This is a far as most of these kids can hope to go and that's fine at least they're having fun.
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Blue&Gold
So, is this team trying to get into the NAHL next season? You make it sound like it. I'm all for it myself!
Being the best in this league really isn't saying that much though. I'm sure the Northern Iowa team in the NAHL, which is VERY good in that league, thinks it could play with the USHL. However, the team is full of players who couldn't make it in the USHL for one reason or another. There are players in your league who tried out for the NAHL programs, and couldn't make it there. It's cool that the team is doing so well, and I hope they can continue that success, but that doesn't make them any better than being the best MN Junior B - oops, I mean MN Junior A Tier III team. Most of the competition is full of 2nd and 3rd liners from average schools.
Anyway, good luck!
Being the best in this league really isn't saying that much though. I'm sure the Northern Iowa team in the NAHL, which is VERY good in that league, thinks it could play with the USHL. However, the team is full of players who couldn't make it in the USHL for one reason or another. There are players in your league who tried out for the NAHL programs, and couldn't make it there. It's cool that the team is doing so well, and I hope they can continue that success, but that doesn't make them any better than being the best MN Junior B - oops, I mean MN Junior A Tier III team. Most of the competition is full of 2nd and 3rd liners from average schools.
Anyway, good luck!
The Ice Hawks go and embarrass themselves, again, at the National tournament. They go 1-2 and get double the penalty minutes of any other team in their division. Hacks like Wilcox and Dahl get kicked out, 3 players were ejected in their final game, 4 in the tournament, class act coach. They're the best team in a terrible league, nothing more.
Nice, you come up with that all the way from your Ivory Tower? You really don't know what happened and how it all went down, but you keep thinking you know what your talking about, once again this team will have more college hockey players on it than most Minnesota High School teams.
Just like every year....you sound like you got a hard on for the coach. Did you or your son get cut?
Just like every year....you sound like you got a hard on for the coach. Did you or your son get cut?
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George Blanda
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And they'll be 21 year old freshmen at a D-3 school. Chris Thompson (and I think the kid is an awesome guy) will be a freshman in college next year when all of this high school classmates will be looking for jobs. But, I'm sure it was worth being 3-peat MJ champions.crash wrote:Nice, you come up with that all the way from your Ivory Tower? You really don't know what happened and how it all went down, but you keep thinking you know what your talking about, once again this team will have more college hockey players on it than most Minnesota High School teams.
Just like every year....you sound like you got a hard on for the coach. Did you or your son get cut?
"they are LAME" -darkdemon on SJU hockey
Ask him, I bet he'll say it was.
How long do you have to work in life? Up in till you die, and unless your one of the few who loves their jobs you would rather be doing other things.
How about if someone told you, "You can do those things you want, but only for 3 extra years" you would take it too.
21 year old freshman tend to be, well, more mature, and tend to fail out less.
Winning is fun, playing infront of big crowds is fun, being on TV is fun, being in the Newspaper is fun, putting off what ALL HOCKEY PLAYERS will some day have to do(WORK) isn't a crime, it's a dream...living the dream.
How long do you have to work in life? Up in till you die, and unless your one of the few who loves their jobs you would rather be doing other things.
How about if someone told you, "You can do those things you want, but only for 3 extra years" you would take it too.
21 year old freshman tend to be, well, more mature, and tend to fail out less.
Winning is fun, playing infront of big crowds is fun, being on TV is fun, being in the Newspaper is fun, putting off what ALL HOCKEY PLAYERS will some day have to do(WORK) isn't a crime, it's a dream...living the dream.
Tier 3 and Ice Hawks
I really don't know why someone would play in this league? If you can't do well at least at the NAHL level, just go to school. the coaches and the league are doing these kids a disservice.
Really, talk with some of the kids who play in the NAHL. The top players get interest by D1 schools but others do not.
None of the Ice Hawks did make a NAHL team who tried out last fall. And the leading scorer in the MJHL who is an Ice Hawk played for one team in the NAHL for 14games last year and had two assists. He was on their roster for most if not all of the season.
there is a difference between USHL and NAHL and NAHL and MJHL/Tier 3. Can someone tell me the purpose of the MJHL?
I am not trying to be mean here, just asking some realistic questions.
Really, talk with some of the kids who play in the NAHL. The top players get interest by D1 schools but others do not.
None of the Ice Hawks did make a NAHL team who tried out last fall. And the leading scorer in the MJHL who is an Ice Hawk played for one team in the NAHL for 14games last year and had two assists. He was on their roster for most if not all of the season.
there is a difference between USHL and NAHL and NAHL and MJHL/Tier 3. Can someone tell me the purpose of the MJHL?
I am not trying to be mean here, just asking some realistic questions.
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Re: Tier 3 and Ice Hawks
I would guess the league exists to allow players to continue playing hockey past high school at a competitive level with the chance of one day playing competitively in college. Just a guess though.Offside wrote:I really don't know why someone would play in this league? If you can't do well at least at the NAHL level, just go to school. the coaches and the league are doing these kids a disservice.
Really, talk with some of the kids who play in the NAHL. The top players get interest by D1 schools but others do not.
None of the Ice Hawks did make a NAHL team who tried out last fall. And the leading scorer in the MJHL who is an Ice Hawk played for one team in the NAHL for 14games last year and didn't score a point.
there is a difference between USHL and NAHL and NAHL and MJHL/Tier 3. Can someone tell me the purpose of the MJHL?
I am not trying to be mean here, just asking some realistic questions.
Character is who you are when no one is watching
but if you look at the track record of getting kids to play in college, what are the chances they play D1 or even D3?
how many of these kids move up to the NAHL? and do well? what percent off each year's team goes to play at D3. Why couldn't they have just gone to play D3 right out of high school like most do?
how many of these kids move up to the NAHL? and do well? what percent off each year's team goes to play at D3. Why couldn't they have just gone to play D3 right out of high school like most do?
Either way, make it, don't make it, those players are afforded the opportunity to continue playing at a higher level than the local beer league. I would guess that's why many of them continue to pay to play. And there's always the outside chance of advancing. Hey, if you could play hockey instead of work, wouldn't you do it for as long as you can? That's not the route that all choose, and certainly not the route that all parents would allow for their kids, but that's why you gotta love America. Freedom to choose.Offside wrote:but if you look at the track record of getting kids to play in college, what are the chances they play D1 or even D3?
how many of these kids move up to the NAHL? and do well? what percent off each year's team goes to play at D3. Why couldn't they have just gone to play D3 right out of high school like most do?
Character is who you are when no one is watching
I still think the league and the coaches do these kids a disservice giving them strong hope they will play in college. And one coach has even said that NAHL is not a move up for an Ice Hawk but most of them would move up in a minute. Why would the coach tell them that? Hmmm...to maybe keep them on their team so that HE can look good?
The "One Coach" has turned down NAHL teams that have tried to hire him away from Rochester.
You say the league is a joke so how would being a winning coach in a joke league make him look good?
How many D-3 players are "right out of high school"? Offside, your living in 1991, join us in the year 2008...lots of things have changed in the past 16 years.
You say the league is a joke so how would being a winning coach in a joke league make him look good?
How many D-3 players are "right out of high school"?
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Crash
Crash,
I've backed up the Ice Hawks when I felt they deserved it and I have supported the Minnesota Junior Hockey League as evident by previous posts I have made.
I think the MJHL provides a great opportunity for some players to continue playing and move on to the DIII level and NAHL. The fact is, players are overlooked. Does it happen to 50 kids every year? No, but it does happen to five or six yearly. These kids can move on and have success. Others can move on and play a roll. I think people would be surprised to see kids that have spent time in the MJHL.
However Crash, I am more convinced that you are one of the Rochester Ice Hawks Staff after reading your post history and that's fine. I do have a problem with the comments Coach Fatis makes in the paper because I think it shows his delusion in regards to were his players stand in the hockey world.
The following was posted on March 3rd and can be found here: (http://postbulletin.typepad.com/faceoff ... index.html)
"One other thing we got talking about ... Fatis said he's been hearing from some Division I coaches in the past week, guys who said they will be there looking at his kids out at nationals. He predicted that as many as seven current Ice Hawks will get a chance to play Division I hockey. Now, we're not talking about this coming year or not even next year. But he said when it's all said and done, he wouldn't surprised if that many guys from this year's team eventually wound up playing Division I! Pretty sweet!"
And it's rubbing off on the Rochester paper blogger as well...
"I'd say the five defensemen he's added (Nesper, Mulally, Wilcox, Kranz and Jesseman), plus Kevin Nolt and Chris Thompson are locks for the roster, unless a Junior A, Tier II or I team came in and swept them up ... and even then, the situation would have to be right. I know of at least one (more than likely more) member of the team who passed up an offer from a Junior A, Tier II team because he simply liked the Ice Hawks better. And let's face it, now, if you play really well for the Ice Hawks, you're going to get noticed by Division I coaches. I think this year's team will produce multiple Division I players ... just a hunch"
I think the MJHL is good. I think Rochester has a good team. I think Coach Fatis is a fine coach. But this is getting out of hand. I can just imagine what might be told to incoming players.
I've backed up the Ice Hawks when I felt they deserved it and I have supported the Minnesota Junior Hockey League as evident by previous posts I have made.
I think the MJHL provides a great opportunity for some players to continue playing and move on to the DIII level and NAHL. The fact is, players are overlooked. Does it happen to 50 kids every year? No, but it does happen to five or six yearly. These kids can move on and have success. Others can move on and play a roll. I think people would be surprised to see kids that have spent time in the MJHL.
However Crash, I am more convinced that you are one of the Rochester Ice Hawks Staff after reading your post history and that's fine. I do have a problem with the comments Coach Fatis makes in the paper because I think it shows his delusion in regards to were his players stand in the hockey world.
The following was posted on March 3rd and can be found here: (http://postbulletin.typepad.com/faceoff ... index.html)
"One other thing we got talking about ... Fatis said he's been hearing from some Division I coaches in the past week, guys who said they will be there looking at his kids out at nationals. He predicted that as many as seven current Ice Hawks will get a chance to play Division I hockey. Now, we're not talking about this coming year or not even next year. But he said when it's all said and done, he wouldn't surprised if that many guys from this year's team eventually wound up playing Division I! Pretty sweet!"
And it's rubbing off on the Rochester paper blogger as well...
"I'd say the five defensemen he's added (Nesper, Mulally, Wilcox, Kranz and Jesseman), plus Kevin Nolt and Chris Thompson are locks for the roster, unless a Junior A, Tier II or I team came in and swept them up ... and even then, the situation would have to be right. I know of at least one (more than likely more) member of the team who passed up an offer from a Junior A, Tier II team because he simply liked the Ice Hawks better. And let's face it, now, if you play really well for the Ice Hawks, you're going to get noticed by Division I coaches. I think this year's team will produce multiple Division I players ... just a hunch"
I think the MJHL is good. I think Rochester has a good team. I think Coach Fatis is a fine coach. But this is getting out of hand. I can just imagine what might be told to incoming players.
Believe me, what is being written in the paper and said by these teams' coaches is very misleading. Very misleading. Like I said before, most NAHL players do not get D1 offers and end up playing D3.
There are two players from Rochester Century who played this past year for a D3 school in the MIAC. They were good high school players, not great high school players. Those are two I can name quickly plus there are others playing on Saint Marys in Winona. If you are a good high school player on a good team, you can play D3 directly from high school
Kranz is the only player who moved up to the NAHL this year at the end of the year. Their best dman, who won an award as from the league, tried out for a NAHL team that he was drafted/tendered by and did not make the team. Again, the leagues leading scorer from this year also played for that same team, played in only fourteen games and had two assists. So is there a difference in the two leagues or at least these two teams?
I feel really bad that someone said I need to get back to 2008 and that I'm back in the early 1990s. Surely, hockey is more competitive at every level since the early 90s.
There are two players from Rochester Century who played this past year for a D3 school in the MIAC. They were good high school players, not great high school players. Those are two I can name quickly plus there are others playing on Saint Marys in Winona. If you are a good high school player on a good team, you can play D3 directly from high school
Kranz is the only player who moved up to the NAHL this year at the end of the year. Their best dman, who won an award as from the league, tried out for a NAHL team that he was drafted/tendered by and did not make the team. Again, the leagues leading scorer from this year also played for that same team, played in only fourteen games and had two assists. So is there a difference in the two leagues or at least these two teams?
I feel really bad that someone said I need to get back to 2008 and that I'm back in the early 1990s. Surely, hockey is more competitive at every level since the early 90s.
Kranz was a 5 or 6 D for the Ice Hawks, not on a PP, the player they got back played in almost every game for his NAHL team until he left became the Ice Hawks new 5/6.
I can name 3-4 Fr in D-3 that had better numbers then the 2 Century players that went to school last year.
Alexandria, So. Minn and Fargo were not much, if any of a step up from the Ice Hawks.
Granted somethings may be over blown about going D-1 from the Hawks but lets face facts they do a pretty good job.
I can name 3-4 Fr in D-3 that had better numbers then the 2 Century players that went to school last year.
Alexandria, So. Minn and Fargo were not much, if any of a step up from the Ice Hawks.
Granted somethings may be over blown about going D-1 from the Hawks but lets face facts they do a pretty good job.