Lakeville South a joke, but Cloquet is legit?

[minnesotahockeyfan]

Someone want to explain this one to me. Everyone on the board ragging on how bad LS is and that HM has a "bye" but no harsh words for Cloquet who faces Edina?...lets compare the two.

Lakeville South 14-11-3
Cloquet 15-11-2

Cloquet better by half a game.


South carries a win over a top 10 team in Rosemount
Cloquet does not.

South is 10-2-1 in their last 13 with only 2 losses to two top 20 teams.
Cloquet is 6-7 in their last 13 with losses to unranked teams.

South has the tools to pull an upset...they work hard have the top goaltender around and proved they can play with the top teams around. They destroyed their section, outscoring their opponents 20-0 in section play. Yeah the section is weak, but no one in the state besides maybe Roseau dominated their section like South did

Cloquet played well and had nice wins against DE, and ANoka in sections...granted they are hot right now and pulled off 2 upsets and made state as a #4 seeed

South carries the better stat sheet

Why is South trashed on here, while Cloquet is not? or do people just hate on 1AA for no reason?

Both teams are decent teams and both have chance to pull an upset...however, I think South has ALOT better chance vs Hill, than Cloquet does vs Edina..

[O-townClown]

I've been wondering the same thing. I think the reason is that Cloquet beat two teams they were not expected to in the Sectional. Duluth East and Anoka.

Lakeville South was the 'tallest midget' in 1AA. All year long people were so unimpressed with the lineup that seeing South prevail wasn't surprising - or impressive.

We'll see how these two do in St. Paul. My guess is they are the likely 2 & Outs.

[minnesotahockeyfan]

[quote="O-townClown"]I've been wondering the same thing. I think the reason is that Cloquet beat two teams they were not expected to in the Sectional. Duluth East and Anoka.

Lakeville South was the 'tallest midget' in 1AA. All year long people were so unimpressed with the lineup that seeing South prevail wasn't surprising - or impressive.

We'll see how these two do in St. Paul. My guess is they are the likely 2 & Outs.[/quote]

Yeah I agree...I guess, what is more impressive...2 upsets. Or being the 1 seed and thrashing the 3 section opponents in front of you?

Yeah. These 2 teams are the favorites to go 0-2....but to refer to one team as giving hill a bye...but cloquet with a legit shot at edina? No way

[keepyourheadup]

agreed, both teams in a similsr spot, they'll be hard pressed to win a game, but who knows, thats why they play the games

[shoot to thrill]

Lakeville South came out of a section that had NO TOP 20 TEAMS. It is a joke! I hope that LS does well but expect that they will lose big time as would any team from Section 1 which is the ONLY section without a top 20 representative.

At least Cloquet had a couple of top 20 teams that they had to get past to EARN their way by to get to the State tourney.

[Irishmans Shanty]

Where did LS fall in the conference this year?

[wbmd]

Where did LS fall in the conference this year?

6th at 9-9-2

[minnesotahockeyfan]

[quote="shoot to thrill"]Lakeville South came out of a section that had NO TOP 20 TEAMS. It is a joke! I hope that LS does well but expect that they will lose big time as would any team from Section 1 which is the ONLY section without a top 20 representative.

At least Cloquet had a couple of top 20 teams that they had to get past to EARN their way by to get to the State tourney.[/quote]


You are completely missing the point. South has no control over who they put in front of them. They destroyed their section opponents...the question is..why is cloquet not bashed like LS. Even thoguh LS has the better resume

[O-townClown]

You are completely missing the point. South has no control over who they put in front of them. They destroyed their section opponents...the question is..why is cloquet not bashed like LS. Even thoguh LS has the better resume

It has been said more than a few times before that the PS2 rank looks at the entire body of work and adjusts for schedule strength. I think Cloquet was 42 and Lakeville was 44 last I looked. They are about the same. If anyone has a better resume I'd go with Cloquet by virtue of the big sectional wins.

I know Lakeville shut out the teams they faced in 1AA. You can say they don't have control over who they play, but they had control over how they fared in conference and it wasn't pretty. .500? This is the state championship, and they are clearly not a championship-caliber team.

[Hillfan]

Since the 2001-2002 season, Section 1AA's record in state: 3-10

This is why people downgrade...nothing against Lakeville South or any other representatives but it simply displays the weak production that has occured from 1AA teams over the recent years.

[wingmaster]

lakevills south just doesn't have the history that cloquet has so that is why a majority of the peeps do not favor them. and they are only half the team they used to be.

[Rossbury21]

You can't say that Hill has a bye, its the state tournament, kids pretend they are playing in the state tournament when they are 8 years old in the backyard pond, both teams will be playing with so much emotion, and the Lakeville kids have never been there before, they will be skating so fast you will think someone lit their rears on fire. Anything can happen at the X in March, so dont count them out. I got Lakeville south sending Hill to Mariucci.

[wbmd]

You can't say that Hill has a bye, its the state tournament, kids pretend they are playing in the state tournament when they are 8 years old in the backyard pond, both teams will be playing with so much emotion, and the Lakeville kids have never been there before, they will be skating so fast you will think someone lit their rears on fire. Anything can happen at the X in March, so dont count them out. I got Lakeville south sending Hill to Mariucci.

And then for another two and out.

[goldy313]

South was 6th in a 11 team conference, Cloquet was 5th in a 8 team conference. The Lake was better than the Iron Range.

It's a prejudice plain and simple, you're from section 1 so you must suck. South could have won the Lake and gotten the same lack of respect. A couple of years ago Lakeville finished tied for 2nd and still got no respect. Section 6 has nearly as bad a record the past 10 years but they're God's gift to hockey and we should all be honored by their presence and greatfull for all their 5th and 6th place finishes. Their last top 3 was 11 years ago.

[O-townClown]

South was 6th in a 11 team conference, Cloquet was 5th in a 8 team conference. The Lake was better than the Iron Range.

I'd be more concerned about how South compares to Hill-Murray than Cloquet.

Arizona finished 5th in the Pac-10 and won the NCAAs. It will be easy for Lakeville to take the title. They will not have to beat Cloquet so it really doesn't matter.

[nikebauer_07]

Cloquet is not in the Iron Range Conference.

[komada77]

What it comes down to is Cloquet is a northern school who has traditionally been a hockey powerhouse. Lakeville South is a new metro school who has no hockey tradition. Most of the people on this site are biased towards Cloquet because they grew up watching/hearing about how good Cloquet was, and the idea of Cloquet being good year in, year out got embedded in their minds. I'm not saying it's fair, it's just the way it is.

[hockeydude42]

The fact that both of these teams are playing in the state tournament is a joke. It's just that Lakeville South is even more of a joke and has zero chance of actually doing well in the tournament.

[sachishi4]

The fact that both of these teams are playing in the state tournament is a joke. It's just that Lakeville South is even more of a joke and has zero chance of actually doing well in the tournament.

the fact people continue to bring this up is still a joke. There a reason we play the game.

[nikebauer_07]

Did anybody give Grand Rapids a chance last year? Look what they did first round..

[O-townClown]

The fact that both of these teams are playing in the state tournament is a joke. It's just that Lakeville South is even more of a joke and has zero chance of actually doing well in the tournament.

the fact people continue to bring this up is still a joke. There a reason we play the game.

I agree Cheesy. Let's let the games be played and see how they finish.

HOWEVER...in several threads the past few days some have asked, "why do you think Lakeville has no chance?"

Answers have been given by me and others. All have cited facts based on their results this season. The natives are restless and don't like the answer. They seem to want to argue. You can argue opinions but you can't argue facts.

My opinion is they won't do well. That may or may not be true.

It is a fact they have beat something like only one of the state's Top 20 teams all season. (Using PS2 numbers, which are as good as what CBB uses when they talk around tourney time.)

My opinion shouldn't matter. It can't stop Lakeville. The facts do matter. If they play against Hill-Murray like they did earlier against Top 10 teams and lose by *ugh* six goals it isn't like anyone can say, "geeeeee! How on earth did that happen!!??"

They better play better or they stand no chance against Hill. Is that opinion or fact? Sure looks like a fact to me.

Best of luck to Lakeville South.

[snapdog]

The fact that both of these teams are playing in the state tournament is a joke. It's just that Lakeville South is even more of a joke and has zero chance of actually doing well in the tournament.

Both teams won there section and deserve to be at the tourney.

[WayOutWest]

Someone want to explain this one to me. Everyone on the board ragging on how bad LS is and that HM has a "bye" but no harsh words for Cloquet who faces Edina....

You're absolutely correct.
There should be harsh words for Cloquet, as well.
I think they both go down, quite easily, in the quarterfinals.

[mainefan]

Here we go- It made people feel good that the David beat up on Goliath-that's why no one is railing on Cloquet!!!!!!!!! I for one am bored with the same old same old teams that go to St. Paul year after year. When a team that is not supposed beat the favorite does it makes all the rest of us feel good and, isn't that what hockey is all about feeling good? No shoulder aches or groin pain oops I mean emotionally. Maybe Lakeville south is making people feel good in 1AA and to that we apologize for not giving LS enough kudos. So you go LS!!!!! We the people who enjoy hockey because it's fun and love the underdog will be rooting for you-right after Cloquet of course!

[WayOutWest]

Here we go- It made people feel good that the David beat up on Goliath-that's why no one is railing on Cloquet!!!!!!!!! I for one am bored with the same old same old teams that go to St. Paul year after year. When a team that is not supposed beat the favorite does it makes all the rest of us feel good and, isn't that what hockey is all about feeling good? No shoulder aches or groin pain oops I mean emotionally. Maybe Lakeville south is making people feel good in 1AA and to that we apologize for not giving LS enough kudos. So you go LS!!!!! We the people who enjoy hockey because it's fun and love the underdog will be rooting for you-right after Cloquet of course!

Agreed.
Cloquet, arguably, came out of a much tougher section than Lakeville South. That being the case, they have already earned more respect than LS. There is certainly nothing that LS could have done about that.........in sections, anyway. They'll merely have to earn their respect at state. Good luck with that!