BSM Players

[pondyplayer93]

we know where most of the hill players are from but anyone know where some of the benilde players are from?

[ehshockey]

Student is from Edina

[hockeyxprt1]

Eden Prarie - Patterson, Meyers, Daly
Wayzata - McCarthy, McCormick, Holmers, Bergland
Hopkins - Appelhoff
Tonka - Dwyer
Brooklyn Park - Zierke
Edina - Student, Ankeny, Shibrowski?

That's a couple off the top of my head.

[pondyplayer93]

i do know one

daly - chaska

[MNHockeyFan]

Borer - Golden Valley (Armstrong)

[puckhead9]

New Prague- Bryan Glynn

[sachishi4]

Constantinople

[Hockeyguy_27]

Eden Prarie - Patterson, Meyers, Daly
Wayzata - McCarthy, McCormick, Holmers, Bergland
Hopkins - Appelhoff
Tonka - Dwyer
Brooklyn Park - Zierke
Edina - Student, Ankeny, Shibrowski?

That's a couple off the top of my head.

Daly is actually from Chaska
Dwyer is from Hopkins
Almstrom is from Tonka
Shibrowski is from Andover (family recently moved to Edina)

[K Dope]

All that recruiting...they should be playing in 3A!!!

[rbk2090]

All that recruiting...they should be playing in 3A!!!

Your just jealous because nobody ever recruited you!!!!

[GoGoGophers]

I heard they had some Slovaks. But that might have been last year.

[pipes3030]

I heard they had some Slovaks. But that might have been last year.

I think you're thinking of Breck, they had a Swede and a Slovak last year.

[minnhock1228]

why does it matter where they are from?

[park16]

Eden Prarie - Patterson, Meyers, Daly
Wayzata - McCarthy, McCormick, Holmers, Bergland
Hopkins - Appelhoff
Tonka - Dwyer
Brooklyn Park - Zierke
Edina - Student, Ankeny, Shibrowski?

That's a couple off the top of my head.

Daly is from Chaska

[RushnCircles]

not sure where the bsm players hail from or where the hill players come from or where the holy angels players call home, but i bet the players from red wing are from red wing, the players from sartell are probably from sartell, and the players from s.s.p. are probably from s.s.p. The difference is the players from these teams all stayed and remained loyal to their associations and the volunteers that volunteered their time to develop those players in their formative years.

[ovechkid]

not sure where the bsm players hail from or where the hill players come from or where the holy angels players call home, but i bet the players from red wing are from red wing, the players from sartell are probably from sartell, and the players from s.s.p. are probably from s.s.p. The difference is the players from these teams all stayed and remained loyal to their associations and the volunteers that volunteered their time to develop those players in their formative years.

yeah I mean why would anyone ever want to take the opportunity to move on to bigger and better things. Shame on them for leaving their large public schools in order to go to a smaller community that offers not only a great environment for intellectual and physical growth but also spiritual growth. Don't they know that the the whole point of society is to pass up opportunities and maintain the status quo and not to try to reach your full potential? I mean come on, its not like these high school kids are at school for an education as they all are going pro in hockey anyway.

[dangles07]

that is legit.

[keepyourheadup]

Agree to a point, but here's the $1,000,000 question. Would they be there if they didn't play hockey? If the answer is yes, good for them, its when the answer is no that things start to get a little cloudy.

[wannagototherink]

Agree to a point, but here's the $1,000,000 question. Would they be there if they didn't play hockey? If the answer is yes, good for them, its when the answer is no that things start to get a little cloudy.

First,

Ovechkid: You make a great point. No one can argue that opting for a private school based on academics is a positive choice. I would rather have my kids in classes with 15 - 20 kids vs. being in classes with 35 - 40 kids. But lets be honost, Minnesota public schools have some of the highest standards of any schools in the country, so lets not make it sound like public school kids aren't getting good educations. But the meaning behind your point is absolutely valid.

Next,

Keepyourheadup: I think you nailed it. There are kids that are admitted to certain schools simply because they are quality hockey players. I know this happens for a fact. Not all these kids are going to private schools because of academics. But at the same time kids open enroll to other public schools for the same reasons.

I'm not a proponent of private schools, I think they should all be forced to play AA and if that was the case I think it would be interesting to see if as many kids would still make that same decision.

Finally, I think you will begin to see a lot (not all) of the private school programs start to drop off because of the new transfer rules. By forcing kids to make a decision by their 9th grade year of where they will attend school it will eliminate those private school from getting that one or two Jr.'s or Sr.'s that will put that A team over the hump. A lot tougher to lure a player to come in if you have to make the decision if the player is the real deal or not when they are 14/15 years old. Not sure there will be a lot of "boosters" stepping up to help with tuition if they aren't sure the kid is going to be a difference maker.

Anyway, back to the original question at hand.....Both of you make valid points...the truth is the decision to attend a school SHOULD be based on academics not hockey and shame on any parent that makes that decision based on hockey. I would be pissed if I was paying 20K a year for my kid to attend a private school thats academic ranking were deminished because the school wanted to have a strong hockey or any sports team.

[Hockeyguy_27]

Agree to a point, but here's the $1,000,000 question. Would they be there if they didn't play hockey? If the answer is yes, good for them, its when the answer is no that things start to get a little cloudy.

First,

Ovechkid: You make a great point. No one can argue that opting for a private school based on academics is a positive choice. I would rather have my kids in classes with 15 - 20 kids vs. being in classes with 35 - 40 kids. But lets be honost, Minnesota public schools have some of the highest standards of any schools in the country, so lets not make it sound like public school kids aren't getting good educations. But the meaning behind your point is absolutely valid.

Next,

Keepyourheadup: I think you nailed it. There are kids that are admitted to certain schools simply because they are quality hockey players. I know this happens for a fact. Not all these kids are going to private schools because of academics. But at the same time kids open enroll to other public schools for the same reasons.

I'm not a proponent of private schools, I think they should all be forced to play AA and if that was the case I think it would be interesting to see if as many kids would still make that same decision.

Finally, I think you will begin to see a lot (not all) of the private school programs start to drop off because of the new transfer rules. By forcing kids to make a decision by their 9th grade year of where they will attend school it will eliminate those private school from getting that one or two Jr.'s or Sr.'s that will put that A team over the hump. A lot tougher to lure a player to come in if you have to make the decision if the player is the real deal or not when they are 14/15 years old. Not sure there will be a lot of "boosters" stepping up to help with tuition if they aren't sure the kid is going to be a difference maker.

Anyway, back to the original question at hand.....Both of you make valid points...the truth is the decision to attend a school SHOULD be based on academics not hockey and shame on any parent that makes that decision based on hockey. I would be pissed if I was paying 20K a year for my kid to attend a private school thats academic ranking were deminished because the school wanted to have a strong hockey or any sports team.

I believe many private schools will actually benefit from the new transfer rules by getting kid in their programs by 9th grade. And yes, in a perfect world parents would send their children to schools soley based upon academic reasons only but this isn't reality. High school is an overall experience and in addition to academics, extra curricular activities like sports are definitely part of this experience. It would be disingenuous to argue this. While I was educated in public schools, I'm glad as a parent we have options with respect to where we decide to have our kids attend school. I don't get the "I hate private school" mentality. The implication that all private school kids who are athletes are recruited is ridiculous. The bottom line for me is private schools (who compete at the AA level) are fine and without them some of the greatest rivalries in high school hockey would cease to exist.

[Blue&Gold]

Don't forget that over the years some public schools have been as active in getting kids to attend based on sports and later in their career as some private schools. Examples? St. Cloud Tech, Elk River, Duluth East and more than I can remember off the top of my head. Am I complaining? Nope. It's just a fact of life.

One more point about kids going to private schools and playing a sport: The school that he left now has room for one of their kids to step up and play.

Let's face it, our society is changing and although we all want things to stay the same, it's not happening. People are choosing to attend private schools for many reasons, and they are willing to pay for that. Other kids are leaving those programs to attend to their needs elsewhere. We just have to accept that, and accept that our precious MN High School Hockey is just not going to be the same in 10 years as it is now, nor like it was 10 years ago.

About a Private School tournament with a Public School tournament. What if... bear with me on this.. but what if they did that, and did away with the A version, just had private and public, and more scouts attended the private school version? Maybe not more fans, but more college and pro scouts... Boggles the mind, doesn't it? AND it's not too far-fetched to think it could happen..

Be careful what you ask for....

[halla]

Don't forget that over the years some public schools have been as active in getting kids to attend based on sports and later in their career as some private schools. Examples? St. Cloud Tech, Elk River, Duluth East and more than I can remember off the top of my head. Am I complaining? Nope. It's just a fact of life.

One more point about kids going to private schools and playing a sport: The school that he left now has room for one of their kids to step up and play.

Let's face it, our society is changing and although we all want things to stay the same, it's not happening. People are choosing to attend private schools for many reasons, and they are willing to pay for that. Other kids are leaving those programs to attend to their needs elsewhere. We just have to accept that, and accept that our precious MN High School Hockey is just not going to be the same in 10 years as it is now, nor like it was 10 years ago.

About a Private School tournament with a Public School tournament. What if... bear with me on this.. but what if they did that, and did away with the A version, just had private and public, and more scouts attended the private school version? Maybe not more fans, but more college and pro scouts... Boggles the mind, doesn't it? AND it's not too far-fetched to think it could happen..

Be careful what you ask for....

I'm not sure if you're advocating having separate private and public tournaments or not. (I'm not fond of the idea.)

But otherwise I largely feel the way you do. It's a fact of life, and I do think it is necessary for all of us to accept and deal with it (not to say we can't gripe a little bit here and there).

Private schools do many wonderful things and are a great choice for lots of people. I will never belittle anyone for choosing to go to private school (other than in jest).

On the flip side, it was a thrill and a joy for me to be able to play for the highschool team I grew up cheering for and I am very glad for others who have that experience. And it can be very sentimentally satisfying when kids in your comunity end up playing on a high school team that has lost very few (or maybe none) of their best teammates from when they were growing up. This is one drawback of private schools -- and it is a significant one -- that they take away from this aspect of community and sport.

For this reason, I have no love for privates. Although, maybe it is a love/hate thing. Hill Murray, for example, has given this state many excellent hockey teams for decades and added plenty of drama and intrigue to the world of Minnesota High School Hockey. Some of the other privates with up-and-coming success could add to this factor. It is not all an evil. And they give the rest of us someone to cheer against. (Just like us cake-eaters do!)

I guess I'm saying, "Eh...the world ain't perfect. You take the good with the bad."

[Zeke16]

"not sure where the bsm players hail from or where the hill players come from or where the holy angels players call home, but i bet the players from red wing are from red wing, the players from sartell are probably from sartell, and the players from s.s.p. are probably from s.s.p. The difference is the players from these teams all stayed and remained loyal to their associations and the volunteers that volunteered their time to develop those players in their formative years."


what an Idiot!! Will you ever get it. So BSM can only have players from St. Louis Park and Hill from Maplewood. Duuuuuhhhhhhhh

[Blue&Gold]

I might add that not all privates are the same. In St. Cloud, most of the kids who attend Cathedral attend the Catholic schools from kindergarten on up. Very few come to the school at junior high or high school age. More kids have gone to Tech after their freshman year (from outside the area to boot) than have gone to Cathedral under the same situation. The local hockey program has kids from all three high schools, and most of the kids know at a very young age where they will go for high school.

So, in St. Cloud the kids are playing with their friends all the way up. The point? Not all of the situations are the same, yet many want to make them appear to be.

Enjoy the tournament!!

[stpaul]

This is the discussion that apparently will never die. OK - but there are no decisions left to be made. The MSHSL and the private schools decided 33 yrs. ago that private schools can be members of the MSHSL and will participate in tournaments. Conferences and section assignments will go on as they are. The MSHSL is not going to force all private schools into AA. The new transfer rule is aimed to stop abuses as much by public schools as any by private schools. Hopkins basketball and St. Paul Central girls BB are the best examples of all-star teams put together thru open enrollment & transfers. Private schools will continue to recruit because they recruit for all of their students. Some families will continue to pick schools based on sports. So complain all you want. Hate them all you want. Who cares. I can give you 50 reasons why private schools are great places to send your kids. Just ask me.