Coaching openings

ALSECORD · Post by **ALSECORD** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:52 am

Yup.. I'll be there with bells on. Chirpin' at Welch much like the guy from Happy Gilmore who follows Happy around the course constantly saying
"Welch, Ya Jack ---" Just to get under his skin. Sorry Angus, i know it's childish, but it's time the good people of Hastings catch a break. This bum's gotta go..

Cabela10 · Post by **Cabela10** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:27 pm

ALSECORD wrote:If the varsity coach wants to ensure a healthy program when the kids get to varsity. He needs to be hands on.

I obviously disagree.

mulefarm · Post by **mulefarm** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:55 pm

Sounds like a lot of people would rather be the problem, rather than the solution. Just getting rid of the coach is not going make the program win. Like Cabela said, get the right people in the youth program and get better youth coaches. Many organizations hire somebody ot oversee the hockey part of the program.

NippenTopChed08 · Post by **NippenTopChed08** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:40 pm

New Prague has an opening.

Principal Tom Doig told Coach John Barger that they will not be renewing his contract for next season.

Its terrible this happened John was a great coach, had a great first season, and the parents already ran him out of town.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:41 pm

NippenTopChed08 wrote:New Prague has an opening.

Principal Tom Doig told Coach John Barger that they will not be renewing his contract for next season.

Its terrible this happened John was a great coach, had a great first season, and the parents already ran him out of town.

One year and he's gone?????

suntzu · Post by **suntzu** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:59 pm

elliott70 wrote:
NippenTopChed08 wrote:New Prague has an opening.

Principal Tom Doig told Coach John Barger that they will not be renewing his contract for next season.

Its terrible this happened John was a great coach, had a great first season, and the parents already ran him out of town.
One year and he's gone?????

You have to be kidding me. Doig hires his old buddy Barger knowing his track record and then dumps him after one year. Did Doig's kid not get enough playing time? An absolute joke if it's true.

Good luck finding anyone dumb enough to take that job....

lakec · Post by **lakec** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:14 pm

suntzu wrote:
elliott70 wrote:
NippenTopChed08 wrote:New Prague has an opening.

Principal Tom Doig told Coach John Barger that they will not be renewing his contract for next season.

Its terrible this happened John was a great coach, had a great first season, and the parents already ran him out of town.
One year and he's gone?????

You have to be kidding me. Doig hires his old buddy Barger knowing his track record and then dumps him after one year. Did Doig's kid not get enough playing time? An absolute joke if it's true.

Good luck finding anyone dumb enough to take that job....

WHAT is going on in New Prague??? A very good year and Barger had them playing great at the end of the season! A young team with lots of returning studs. A third coach in three years is not the way to keep your kids around. Did some wacko parents have something to do with this or did Barger and the principal have some problems/disagreements throughout the year? This seems kind of ridiculous and makes no sense, does anyone have any info on what precipitated Barger being canned?

WarroadWarrior · Post by **WarroadWarrior** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:21 pm

I would really like to see Warroad get away from this "Co-Head Coach" system they have going, and pull in another proven or up and coming USHL Coach like they did when Eades was hired.

Puckguy19 · Post by **Puckguy19** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:48 pm

WarroadWarrior wrote:I would really like to see Warroad get away from this "Co-Head Coach" system they have going, and pull in another proven or up and coming USHL Coach like they did when Eades was hired.

Any truth to the speculation that the co-coaches don't see eye to eye?

mnpuckmaster · Post by **mnpuckmaster** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:04 pm

mulefarm wrote:Sounds like a lot of people would rather be the problem, rather than the solution. Just getting rid of the coach is not going make the program win. Like Cabela said, get the right people in the youth program and get better youth coaches. Many organizations hire somebody ot oversee the hockey part of the program.

It is the youth program. Since this Baum guy has taken over leadership of the association, you never hear about any Hastings youth teams in any of the top 20 polls. All you hear about is bickering. It has always been MORE than political there.

Cabela10 · Post by **Cabela10** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:19 pm

mnpuckmaster wrote:
mulefarm wrote:Sounds like a lot of people would rather be the problem, rather than the solution. Just getting rid of the coach is not going make the program win. Like Cabela said, get the right people in the youth program and get better youth coaches. Many organizations hire somebody ot oversee the hockey part of the program.
It is the youth program. Since this Baum guy has taken over leadership of the association, you never hear about any Hastings youth teams in any of the top 20 polls. All you hear about is bickering. It has always been MORE than political there.

Then the issue is this Baum guy and not Russ Welch. Was Hastings any good before Welch got there? I know the youth progam was good when Taffe, Tharpe and Dan Welch were coming up together, but other than that, who have they had?

hocmom · Post by **hocmom** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:11 am

Commenting on the HS coach involvement.

The HS coach does not need to "run" the program, but he should certainly have some influence. He should be willing to help, of course that means the youth assn must be willing to accept his help.

Many smaller assns can't hire coaches, too much money. We deal with what we have, for the most part parent coaches. We are thinking of doing a "skills night" that would be run by our high school coach where he would run through some drills and explain some goals. This would teach both the kids and our other coaches. Our goal would be to at least get our coaches all on the same page as far as what skills should be taught at what levels etc, and a few simple ways to get this done.

ROOK EYE · Post by **ROOK EYE** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:14 am

Hastings had 1 little run when Welch's kid played with Taff-Utect etc. late 90's maybe. Since then he hasn't done much at all. Or before that. Someone told me he's been there since the early 90's. I'm sorry, but 2-3 State appearences in 20 year's? I'm not impressed. Weak section for alot of that time.. And i know in those 20 years he's had some very good youth talent he's sqandered. He quit having anything to do with the youth when his kid was done. Something that plagues other communities as well. Coaches getting involved just to make sure their kid plays. I've heard the hockey program is in a world of hurt down there. Has anyone else heard that?

chiperdeep · Post by **chiperdeep** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:38 am

I do not know anything about the Hastings program first hand. I do know they lost a few players (Raskob to AHA, Stephan to Shattuck, Maybe even another Stephan??? STA I think)

Those players would have made a season for any coach. Same goes in Stillwater, Mounds View, Prior Lake (though less extreme), many more, etc etc.

Woodbury was able to change that culture and is doing well. I am not sure if that has been an issue in Hastings in the past but it sure can't help.

ROOK EYE · Post by **ROOK EYE** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:50 am

I agree. No program can lose the talent Hastings lost the last 2-3 years, but from what i've heard the kids- the parents-the community no one can stand this Welch guy. He's lost taleneted kids to Jr. Gold over the last several year's just because they will not play for Welch. They won't even try out. He calls parents and hangs up the phone?? Things like that. Very childish.. O'well just glad my kids are done with hockey.

NippenTopChed08 · Post by **NippenTopChed08** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:39 pm

lakec wrote:
suntzu wrote:
elliott70 wrote: One year and he's gone?????

You have to be kidding me. Doig hires his old buddy Barger knowing his track record and then dumps him after one year. Did Doig's kid not get enough playing time? An absolute joke if it's true.

Good luck finding anyone dumb enough to take that job....
WHAT is going on in New Prague??? A very good year and Barger had them playing great at the end of the season! A young team with lots of returning studs. A third coach in three years is not the way to keep your kids around. Did some wacko parents have something to do with this or did Barger and the principal have some problems/disagreements throughout the year? This seems kind of ridiculous and makes no sense, does anyone have any info on what precipitated Barger being canned?

YOu took the words out of my mouth. Doig made a bad decision and i am sure it had something to do with his kid. Although, his kid did get alot of time. I dont know what he was thinking. Er ist ein Strohkopf.

Stiff-Shaft · Post by **Stiff-Shaft** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:05 pm

[quote="Cabela10"][quote="SYRUS THE VIRUS"]You may not agree. But if i'm the Varsity coach and i'm trying to build My program you can bet i would want to oversee the youth program as well. Right? This is the parents point i believe. The parents are like. "If your burn't out-Get Out!"Make sense? He doesn't have any thing to do with the youth at all. That's probably why he lost 23 games or so in a row earlier this year and last. Has that ever happened in the State of Hockey??[/quote]

A high school head coach should not dictate or get involved with the youth program. The coaches in the youth program should be qualified to teach there kids the game of hockey and get them to be better hockey players. I do not agree with the concept that a high school coach tells the youth program to run the same systems. All that does is make the program boring when they get to the high school level because the kids are doing the same things for 5-8 years.

Plus most youth programs don't have the talent to run the high schools systems. You shouldn't force a team to run a certain system. You must look at your own team and do whats best for that particular team.

High School coaches should only go to the games to watch for kids that have potential to skate on varsity in the next couple years.[/quote]

Cabela, It is not running ALL the systems. The youth program should be over look by the varsity coach. So there is a program tailored for each level which makes the player better moving forward. For example: You would run a drill with your squirt level players that works on inside edges and is called the XYZ drill. This way there is consistency so when those squirts get to the varsity level and the coach says, "Let's run the XYZ drill", he doesn't need to take 10 minutes to explain it. Get It! Simple stuff for the really young ones with a graduation process as they move up through the ranks. That's a program and that's why a varsity coach should be involved.

Cabela10 · Post by **Cabela10** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:05 pm

Stiff-shaft, are you kidding me? You would not run a squirt level drill at the high school level, is this some sort of joke? A squirt coach should already know what to teach their players. It's all the basics in squirts or even the level lower. There is no way, at anytime, should a High School coach get involved with a squirt level team and what drills to teach. If the squirt coach has no clue, then they go to the association to figure things out, and if for some reason the association has no clue, that is when they would go to the varsity coach for instruction.

Now days, why would a high school coach put all this time into a youth program when kids are jumping around to all these different programs. Makes no sense to me.

dipseydoodle17 · Post by **dipseydoodle17** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:32 am

NippenTopChed08 wrote:
lakec wrote:
suntzu wrote:
You have to be kidding me. Doig hires his old buddy Barger knowing his track record and then dumps him after one year. Did Doig's kid not get enough playing time? An absolute joke if it's true.

Good luck finding anyone dumb enough to take that job....
WHAT is going on in New Prague??? A very good year and Barger had them playing great at the end of the season! A young team with lots of returning studs. A third coach in three years is not the way to keep your kids around. Did some wacko parents have something to do with this or did Barger and the principal have some problems/disagreements throughout the year? This seems kind of ridiculous and makes no sense, does anyone have any info on what precipitated Barger being canned?
YOu took the words out of my mouth. Doig made a bad decision and i am sure it had something to do with his kid. Although, his kid did get alot of time. I dont know what he was thinking. Er ist ein Strohkopf.

Du bist ein dummkopf! To Doigs defense, Ward left him hanging and he had to find a replacement quick. He didnt have the time needed to make this decision. I dont think this has anything to do with his son because many parents/players complained to Doig and his son had as much ice time as any D. From what I understand the players are hoping assistant coach peterson will take over.

NippenTopChed08 · Post by **NippenTopChed08** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:44 pm

dipseydoodle17 wrote:
NippenTopChed08 wrote:
lakec wrote: WHAT is going on in New Prague??? A very good year and Barger had them playing great at the end of the season! A young team with lots of returning studs. A third coach in three years is not the way to keep your kids around. Did some wacko parents have something to do with this or did Barger and the principal have some problems/disagreements throughout the year? This seems kind of ridiculous and makes no sense, does anyone have any info on what precipitated Barger being canned?
YOu took the words out of my mouth. Doig made a bad decision and i am sure it had something to do with his kid. Although, his kid did get alot of time. I dont know what he was thinking. Er ist ein Strohkopf.
Du bist ein dummkopf! To Doigs defense, Ward left him hanging and he had to find a replacement quick. He didnt have the time needed to make this decision. I dont think this has anything to do with his son because many parents/players complained to Doig and his son had as much ice time as any D. From what I understand the players are hoping assistant coach peterson will take over.

Dipsey, If you were on the team you would have known that at least 75% of the kids liked Coach Barger. Including the teams best players, we all know who they are, and I think that if Doig recommended that his contract not be renewed because Coach Barger wouldnt be his puppet, he made a huge mistake. I could tell you with 90% confidence that if Barger would not have lost his job that at least 2/3 of the top line player will be back next year. Now, that is in question, I know one was about to leave last year than changed his mind last second, and the other two have been getting offers everywhere. And, without those players the team would undoubtedly struggle next season. I just hope which ever parents and kids that didnt like him enough to run him out of town, know what they did was for the betterment of the team and not themselves. I am assuming that this is what happened because of the people i know that would have run him out of town and the power they have to do it, this is what most likely happened unless Doig says otherwise.

lakec · Post by **lakec** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:36 pm

NippenTopChed08 wrote:
dipseydoodle17 wrote:
NippenTopChed08 wrote: YOu took the words out of my mouth. Doig made a bad decision and i am sure it had something to do with his kid. Although, his kid did get alot of time. I dont know what he was thinking. Er ist ein Strohkopf.
Du bist ein dummkopf! To Doigs defense, Ward left him hanging and he had to find a replacement quick. He didnt have the time needed to make this decision. I dont think this has anything to do with his son because many parents/players complained to Doig and his son had as much ice time as any D. From what I understand the players are hoping assistant coach peterson will take over.
Dipsey, If you were on the team you would have known that at least 75% of the kids liked Coach Barger. Including the teams best players, we all know who they are, and I think that if Doig recommended that his contract not be renewed because Coach Barger wouldnt be his puppet, he made a huge mistake. I could tell you with 90% confidence that if Barger would not have lost his job that at least 2/3 of the top line player will be back next year. Now, that is in question, I know one was about to leave last year than changed his mind last second, and the other two have been getting offers everywhere. And, without those players the team would undoubtedly struggle next season. I just hope which ever parents and kids that didnt like him enough to run him out of town, know what they did was for the betterment of the team and not themselves. I am assuming that this is what happened because of the people i know that would have run him out of town and the power they have to do it, this is what most likely happened unless Doig says otherwise.

I think the rest of section 1A is thanking Mr. Doig right now. The road to state just got easier for everyone else in 1A.

NippenTopChed08 · Post by **NippenTopChed08** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:30 pm

lakec wrote:
NippenTopChed08 wrote:
dipseydoodle17 wrote: Du bist ein dummkopf! To Doigs defense, Ward left him hanging and he had to find a replacement quick. He didnt have the time needed to make this decision. I dont think this has anything to do with his son because many parents/players complained to Doig and his son had as much ice time as any D. From what I understand the players are hoping assistant coach peterson will take over.
Dipsey, If you were on the team you would have known that at least 75% of the kids liked Coach Barger. Including the teams best players, we all know who they are, and I think that if Doig recommended that his contract not be renewed because Coach Barger wouldnt be his puppet, he made a huge mistake. I could tell you with 90% confidence that if Barger would not have lost his job that at least 2/3 of the top line player will be back next year. Now, that is in question, I know one was about to leave last year than changed his mind last second, and the other two have been getting offers everywhere. And, without those players the team would undoubtedly struggle next season. I just hope which ever parents and kids that didnt like him enough to run him out of town, know what they did was for the betterment of the team and not themselves. I am assuming that this is what happened because of the people i know that would have run him out of town and the power they have to do it, this is what most likely happened unless Doig says otherwise.
I think the rest of section 1A is thanking Mr. Doig right now. The road to state just got easier for everyone else in 1A.

I think your right.

UpNorthStars · Post by **UpNorthStars** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:03 pm

elliott70 wrote:Bemidji opening...

I don't know who has applied, but people would like to see...

Bob Fitzgerald, Bemidji
OJ Kennet, Red Lake Falls
Bruce Olson, Warroad
Cary Eades, UND

or Dave Larson and Kelly Curb

Any new news on this front Elliott?

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:34 pm

UpNorthStars wrote:
elliott70 wrote:Bemidji opening...

I don't know who has applied, but people would like to see...

Bob Fitzgerald, Bemidji
OJ Kennet, Red Lake Falls
Bruce Olson, Warroad
Cary Eades, UND

or Dave Larson and Kelly Curb
Any new news on this front Elliott?

Andy Brink has an application.

Keith Huerd is contemplating a move from the girls side.

Bob F. is not seeking it.

Two people got apps, but do not know names.

As of last Friday.

It appears there is an interest by some.

dadoc · Post by **dadoc** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:46 pm

Given the dire situation in Brainerd are they at risk of losing coach Toby Kvalevog to his alma mater (Bemidji)? That would be a terrible loss!